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It's possible that Dove equipment could be shipped to the USA early, to show to prospective buyers, but, IMO, it's very unlikely that it would be brought directly to Georgia for that purpose.
It woluld make more sense to have it delivered to the West Coast, closer to the vast majority of placer mining in the Western Hemisphere, than Georgia. IMO, no one is going to drive across the street to see some crated equipment. It would need to be assembled, probably on a paved area or in a warehouse. Then what would you have? Some stattionary machinery. A well done video, pictures and specifications would be more meanngfull to present to prospective buyers. Portland makes more sense than Georgia for an inspection setup. Everytime someone wants to look at it Drake would probably have to fly someone to Georgia.
Once the site is nearing completion, it could all be loaded on a couple of 40' floats and trucked to Georgia. The delta between Ocean transport from Thailand to Georgia can't be that much greater than trucking from the West Coast.
If this all comes to pass, rospective buyer will want to see it in operation.
TY cork. eom.
"Come Dec., Jan., or Feb. we'll see who's laughing their AO ... right?" No CC, After October, I'll be laughing, not you. Actually, I won't be laughing, even if I'm right and you are wrong. I get no jollys when little pink sheet outfits hurt people.
Maybe we could take a little poll and see if the folks here get more out of my posts or out of your English lcomposition lessons.
FWIW, the main reason my writting has mistakes is because I'm nearly blind. Providing meaningful information is my purpose. Proof reading has little importance to me. What's your excuse for having a track record of being so over "optomistic"?
CC, you say "I'm confident the equipment will be arriving before all the zoning, mapping and permitting is completed".
Only if Drake is as ignorant as they were if they actually wasted time by trying to prepare permit applications without engineering support.
When site prep construction is under way, you wouldn't want a lot of mining equiment in the way. If equipment gets to Georgia early it will probably need to be off loaded in a rented storage area. A crane will have to be brought in to offload it. When they are ready to move, they will need to hire a truck and a crane to re-load the equioment. The crane will then have to be transported to the site. All the while, they will be paying rent on the shipping containers.
Are you still confident it will be on site before permitting is complete? If so, why?
CC, Ken, Clayton, John, or Tom Dick and Harry may have told you the activity on the Drake order started a long time ago, but, IMO, it is HIGHLY unlikely they have been assembling and packaging it since mid February, or March or April. Any equipment manufacturer regularly makes components for their equipment line. Those components can be stored in bins and shelves that don't take up a lot of room.
Once assembly starts, it takes a lot of room. This kind of equipment is made in truckable sized "skids". They must be stored in limited "lay down" areas. I can' t imagine a manufacturer tying up limited space with equipment that won't be shipped for many months. Consider this. Thailand is a very humid, warm country. A worst case for corrosion. Components are easily protected from rusting, but once they are assembled it becomes a time consuming , costly process to protect it. There is no logic in claims this equipment is being made ready to ship.
Come September - October, we'll see who's L their AO.
CC, you said "I ... "believe" the equipment assembly and delivery process started long ago." By a "long time ago" do you mean from early February when Drake said the equipment would be shipped as soon as possible?
Harbin's estimate of 4 to 6 months carries the permitting/ zoning process out to August - October. I'll explain how I came up with the "8 to 10 months, at least before the equipment is installed". I've used mid February as a start date, and added in the 4 - 6 months from mid April. That's 6 to 8 months, using " a long time ago" + harbin's estimate. Note. I said 8 to 10 months before the equipment is installed.
Once the permit is issued and zoning is approved , there is a site preparation phase that will take a month or so to accomplish, before the equipment will be installed.
* The site must be cleared and grubbed. Grubbing is removing top soil below the root line. Roots will clog screening equipment. That material must be set aside and stock piled to be used in the reclamation phase.
* Remove and stockpile any over burden from the area to be mined.
* Build the property fence.
* Build acess roads.
* Have power installed.
* Drill and case the water well and install pumps and piping.
* Build drainage facilities. Retention ponds, settling basins, debris basins, any require re-routing of natural water flow. Some of the ponds will probably require HDPE liners.
This all before equipment is installed. BTW. This will all take a lot of CASH. The folks doing this kind of work will not take Pinky stock for payment.
CC, you are pretty good at correcting spelling and punctuation, but, when talking about the kind of work Drake is faced with, I actually know what I'm talking about. Enjoy all that L your AO.
Medchal. The engineer needs a topographic map with contour intervals of no more than 2 feet. That can be done with traditional ground survey crews or ariel mapping. I don't know if Google's map service is able to give that kind of contour infomation.
To me it shows a serious degree of ignorance if Drake thought they could do the engineering required for a mining permit, in house. Any time they spent trying to do it without engineering support was wasred time.
MC, You asked. My first 9 years were in surveying and civil design & construction. 24 years in Petro construction, reifneries, pipelines & offshore platforms. The remainder were mostly in environmental remediation, mostly "dig & haul" projects. The most pertinemt, to what Drake claims to be doing, was as Facilities Construction Manager on the Alumbrera copper / gold mine in Argentina. A billion dollar + project.
Finally, I think it's a shame that some regular make posts that , IMO, are unrealistically "optomistic". One said he thinks the time line for permitting and zoning will be closer to 2 to 3 months , than the 4 to 6 months, Drake claims. What could that thought be based on? Drake's record of under promise, over deliver? Another said he believes that packaging and assembly of mining equipment have been uderway for a long time. Is it reasonable to think that a small manufacturer, like Dove, would have expend time, resources, storage space and money on equipment that wasn't going to be installed for 8 to 10 months, at least?
I don't consider the two PRs about the engineer to be fluff. The trouble is they always had to engage an engineer to prepare permit and zoning applications, but they are only now doing it.. Back when Drake was posting that they could mine gold before they had a permit, making it sound like production could start soon, they should have know they were facing a laborious permitting / zoning process. Was it ignorance or something else that caused them to make the claims?
The Estimated Time Frame and Event List PR would have been much more transparent if the Event List was time lined. I'm sure the list Harbin submitted to Drake was time lined, but Drake apparently elected to not give it to investors. Without a time line there is no adequate way for investors to judge the validity of it.
I'm a retired Construction Manager with 45 years of experience in engineering and construction. I've been through the zoning / permitting process many times and have talked to the Manager of the Georgia SMU about the peritting process.. I'll comment on the subject PR.
I think the 4 to 6 month time line given by DKGR is very optimistic based on:
* Engineering can't start until the site is mapped. Apparently they don't have an aerial survey company contracted, much less a firm schedule for the survey and production of maps.
* Once maps are in hand the Engineer can begin engineering. Most of this will involve drainage, runoff, lined ponds and other siltation features. This is not rocket science, but it takes time. This work is the meat of the permit.
* The Georgia SMU told me the permitting process usually takes from 6 to 12 months, after the permit was submitted. They said it could take a shorter time if every thing is in order on the first pass. Contracting a local Engineer could help the time line.
* Zoning documents can be prepared in parallel with permitting work, depending on the resources Habin is prepared to devote to Drake.
* I wanted to check zoning requirements, but don't know what County Drake's site is in, so I checked Monroe County, where Harbin is based. The zoning application is submitted to the Zoning Officer. He has up to 45 days to review the application. Once the review is complete the app is submitted to the Zoning Commission to set a Public Hearing date. No time line is given for how long that takes.
Once a hearing date is set, the Zoning Officer must mail hearing notices to affected citizens preferably 30 days, but not less than 7 days in advance of the hearing. Notice must also be posted on the site. The application is either approved or denied at the conclusion of the hearing.
It's impossible for one of us to estimate how long this will take because we don't know what resources Harbin will devote to Drake, or what priority Georgia authorities will put on expiditing permitting and zoning. My guess is that Drake told Harbin to come up with a best case time line for public consumption, but the Event List had an actual timeline estimate. We'll see in September if I or Drake is full of crap.
bluejackets, unfortunately, from the information provided by DKGR, there is no way to stimate how many oz of gold per ton on the property The only sample values given to the public have been for the top end of sampling. Estimates per ton must be calcuated from the average of all viable samples.
The cork. Back in February I posted many times about the stupidity of claiming to be able to mine gold without a permit and to point out that the permitting process would be from 6 to 12 months. I talked to the Manager of the Georgia Srface Mining Unit and posted what she told me. I also posted her full name and phone number.
I was burned by DKGR during the Jackpot thang. Stupidly I bought back in @ .055, pre-Golf Tournament. As soon as I read the PR about Dove sending mining equioment "as soon as possible", I sold @ .005. I knew that PR was pure BS. No way a company would even consider sending equipment to an unpermitted site. I expressed my opinion on this board.
All the while DKGR supporters were claiming the equipment was on the way, permits would take 90 days and that Drake could begin mining soon. Time has shown I was right and they were blowing smoke.
I suppose to you,they are welcome and I'm not.
MC, I know how non-dislosures work and how common they are. But I don't think it's "spin" to say the purpose of non-disclosures is to limit the dissemination of information that could be privileged..
FWIW, I don't blame Drake for trying to limit investor contacts with their service providers. No provider wants their personnel wasting time fielding questions from curious / irate investors.
MC, you say that Drake didn't insulate Harbin from investors. Yet you say that the Harbin guy said Drake had him sign a non-disclosure agreement. Hummmm.
A simple PR with a real checklist of what must be done before the equipment is shipped would do. No need for another golf tournatment.
For instance: "As soon as Drake has zonning approval for the mining project and all permits and funding are in place, the Dove equipment will be shipped. There is considerable site preparation work to be done before the equipment arrives."
This is the reality of trigger points for shipping equipment.
No more of this "crating and shipping as soon as possible" or "We are anxiously awaiting delivery of the equipment" crap.
More honesty in their PRs will help a lot.
MC, I see where you're coming from about a new golf tournament. The first one was sooooooooo successful.
IMO, the problem with Drake's information dissemination vehicles isn't that they are not better written. It's that they are intentionally written to convey overly optimistic circumstances. Let's examine a few. ( The following are all IMO.)
Drake's report that said they could produce gold before being granted permits. The problem with that report wasn't that it was poorly written. Does ANYONE really believe Drake management didn't know that was false information?
On Feb 4th a PR said that Dove would crate their equipment for shipment "as soon as possible". The desired affect of that information was to lead people to think that it was just a matter of a few days to crate it up, and it would be on a ship to Georgia. After all, they didn't need permits to set up and start mining! Production was just around the corner! The information had the desired affect. If there is any doubt of that, just go back and read what was being said by the True Believers back in February.
The PR on bulk sample results is another example of Drake disingenuousness. Giving the value of the highest of 35 samples is meaningless. Sample results are all about the average of all samples. BTW, where is the full report? How long does it take to add up all values and divide by 35?
The Drake Permitting Update is uncharacteristically frank. The message is that the process is much more involved and lengthy than previously implied.
Here is my guess as to what may have motivated the Update. Drake finally actually contacted the Georgia Surface Mining Unit about their permits. The Unit Manager, being very familiar with the bad information that Drake had put out, re-permitting, may have advised them to advise their investors of the reality of the State permitting process.
However, they reverted to the Old Drake information ways with the part about Dove equipment. "We are anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Explorer 500 from Dove Mining Equipment". Now, what message is that intended to convey? WOW! The ship must be due any day now!
Queen Isabella could have justifiably said "We anxiously await Columbus's return from his voyage." She had no idea when he would return or even where he had been. But if the Dove equipment is even scheduled for shipment, Drake knows exactly what the date is. Why wouldn't a transparent Company, with lots of investors anxiously awaiting solid news, take this opportunity to provide it?
I've read many times that DKGR I-Hub has intelligent posters. No doubt. Also ,no doubt, I'm not the only one that has similar opinions regarding DKGR's PRs. Yet they are rarely openly discussed on this Board by the True Believers. Why? I think paid_pumper is learning why. His attemps at open discussion are not being well recieved.
Tek, well, it looks like Drake has a lot of permitting work ahead of them. Do you think this conflicts with what I was saying about my contacts with the Georgia Surface Mining Unit? It's along the line of what could have been picked up by reading the permitting process as described in the Pemit Application.
At least we know from this quote from Drake's Georgia Production Update, that we won't need to wait for all this permitting stuff for production to get started.
"Fortunately, due to Georgia’s permitting process being reliant on the sale of minerals rather than the production of them, we can begin production immediately and concurrently with the permitting process, thus eliminating any unnecessary delays"
MasterC, I clearly said you were "guessing" that Drake didn't post a full report because they were trying to keep the location a secret. You call your post a theory. I called it a guess. Semantics.
Just how "very truthful" have DKGR's recent PRs been? The latest PR gave the highest value sample of 37. Was that value as high as stated? Probably. Was it even close to the average value? Almost surely not. A very truthful PR would have given the average of the samples. IMO, the wording was intended to raise expectations beyond reality. It's funny that one of the True Believers tried to manufacture an excuse for DKGR not posting a full report by guessing Drake was trying to keep the location secret. I've read may assay reports that only gave the state or province where samples were taken.
Maybe a PR that isn't an otright lie is "Sterile"
The Dove equipment PR stated "The equipment will be sent directly to Georgia via boat crate transport as soon as possible." Practically every True Believer on the Board took that to mean the equipment was being crated and would be on it's way very soon. Again, IMO, the PR was worded to raise expectation beyond reality. It was down right silly to think $300, 000 worth of equipment would be shipped before permits had even been applied for.
Speaking of permits. How about the report on the DKGR website that equipment could be set up and gold mined without a permit? That a permit wasn't required until gold was sold. At worst, this information was put up to mislead or at best showed a ridiculous lack of understanding of Georgia mining laws.
It's amazing that positive posters on this board simply can't bring themselves to have an open discussion on Drake's PRs. This latest one has little real meaning. No serious investor , in mining stocks, would put a grain of credibility in an assay report that only gave the highest of the 37 samples with gold content. In fact, this PR would set off warning bells. The purpose of bulk sampling is not to look for the highest value in a quantity samples. It's to evaluate the gold content of the property. The true goal of bulk sampling is to see what the AVERAGE gold content is.
One of the True Believers has already tried to leaven the disappointment in this PR by saying the full report would be on the website. Maybe so. But this PR was designed to be read by a large segment of investors and it was misleading, at best. With just a few more words it could have read "The average of the 37 samples was xx oz / ton with the highest sample being .47 oz /ton."
This is the "Susan person" I've been talking to.
Surface Mining Unit. Susan Wagner, Unit Manager ... Telephone: 404.657.5947 or 888.373.5947 (toll-free throughout Georgia) ...
You can find this by Googling Georgia Surface Mining Unit. It is the second link.
I have no intention of contacting the SEC. I haven't declared here, that DKGR is a scam. I haven't called Clayton any names. My objection is to DKGR and their supporters trying to make investors think Drake will start mining gold before they have permits. IMO, they are trying to get peoeple to buy now in the belief they will be producing gold "immediately" or even within the next few months.
The surface Mining Unit is a unit within the Georgia Environmental Protection Division. Don't you think environmental protection is high on the Division's priority list? Scan through the 11 page permit application. You'll see they require a permit applicant provide details of runoff control, sediment basins, sediment control, locations of spoil areas, plans for any stream re-routing, restoration plans, revegitation plans and on and on. The application states that all these provisions must be in place before clearing and grubbing can start. A local Strom Water Control permit must be acquired.
Of cource they can sample before permits are issued. Ms. Wagner said that as much as an acre could be disturbed during sampling.
How anyone can believe that it's OK with Georgia authorities for Drake to begin mining without a peermit is beyond me.
I think most get my point.
CC, you may have noticed I didn't put the without a permit in quotes. Nope, I didn't lie.
I took this paart of the statement to mean they could begin production without a permit. "Fortunately, due to Georgia’s permitting process being reliant on the sale of minerals rather than the production of them, we can begin production immediately and concurrently with the permitting process, thus eliminating any unnecessary delays."
How do others interpret this sentence?
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From CC. "
I believe they can continue to extract more bulk samples. Production simply means producing. Can mean small quantities. How stupid would it be to post that on their website...and leave it there if it was wrong? They have lawyers doing most of the legal stuff so I imagine the wording is acceptable."
What they posted on their website was: " Our initial step is to set up our processing plant and begin recovering gold as soon as possible." without a permit. The statement was not talking about sampling. It talked about MINING!.
However, you made an interesting supposition. How about this one? What if Drake has no intention of applying for a Ga. permit? In that case they could care less what Ga authorities think about their claims of mining without a permit.
The Manager of the Georgia Surface Mining Unit told me that anyone involved in mining without a permit would be subject to civil penalties.
Goldin2008. You've made several remarks that I'll respond to.
Why would DKGR be meeting with the BLM, when the Georgia prospect is on private land?
Why were you meeting with the BLM about Canadian mining properties?
Susan Wagner is not a secretary. She is the Manager of the Georgia Surface Mining Unit. I have spoken to Ms Wagner twice.
You said that if I knew anything about sea shipments that I would know it took about 40 days from Asia to the USA. I said it took from 4 to 6 weeks. 6x7 = 42 days. I've monitored shipments from Asia to Alaska, the Persian Gulf, Norway, Bermuda and the east and west coast of the USA.
As for being educated in what I'm talking about. I posted my background. It was deleted. I'll try again. I retired from one of the largest Engineering / Construction companies in the World, as a Construction Manager. I've been involved in projects that moved millions of cubic yards of material, including a large project in Savannah, GA. I was the Facilities Construction Manager on the largest ever, copper / gold mine in Argentina. I've been involved in permitting dozens of excavation sites.
I'm not posting for the benefit of you or Argonath. Your minds are made up. I'm posting for open minded investors that are interested in hearing more than one side of the story.
CC, I understand the concept of not applying for a permit until sampling is complete. Now, just how honest was it for DKGR to issue the Dove Mining PR without explaining that the equipment wouldn't be shipped until bulk samples prove the site is worthy of applying for a permit?
Do you really believe they would have equipment at sea before they had made a determination on whether to apply for a permit or not?
IMO the information and PRs provided by Drake, are intended to lead investors to believe production will be under way in the near future.
I called the Ga. Surface Mining Unit this morning and talked to Susan Wagner, the Unit Manager. She is the same lady I talked to last week. I sent to her, Drake's Management Review of the GA. prospect as well as some posts made on this Board.. Following are her comments.
There is no way Drake could legally set up equipment and start mining operations without an approved permit. To date Drake hasn't sent in an application for a permit. There is absolutely no provision in Georgia Mining Law that permits are not require until product is sold.
I asked about Drake's statement that they could produce as much as 100,000 gal/ per day from a water well w/o a permit. She said this was true.
I also asked about Drake claiming they could sell excess sand and gravel . I said I doubted this was a completely honest claim to make before they had even submitted a reclamation plan. She said that some times miners are required to restore the site to near original condition but could include leaving a lake in the pit. In either case, claiming the sale of excess sand and gravel before a restoration plan has even been submitted is premature.
She said that in best case situations, a surface Mining Permit could be issued in about 90 days. She was surprised that Mike would have left the impression that 90 days was typical. She said that 6 months to a year was more likely, if the Corps of Engineers didn't get involved. The Co can assume authority, in some cases, when surface water is involved. In that case it could take as much as two years. ( Drake has said there are streams ( plural) on site.)
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My main problem with the way Drake and their loyal supporters are promoting the Georgia site is they are making it sound like it is all going to happen very quickly. Drake uses "immediate" and "as soon as possible" to leave the impression that production will be happening very soon. One poster frequently closes his posts with a variation of "production will happen sooner than we think."
Think about this. We were old the equipment would be shipped from Thailand "as soon as possible". That was three weeks ago. How long to crate equipment? Two weeks? Four to six at sea. As soon as possible would put the equipment in Georgia by early
March. Yet a permit hasn't even been applied for.
B2B
plan to be posting here for a while, so I'm going to post a little about myself and why I'm here.
I'm a retired Construction Manager from one of the World's largest Engineering / Construction companies. I've managed or otherwise participated in projects that moved millions of cubic yards of material. That includes a large project in Savannah, GA in 2001 - 2002. I was the Facilities Construction Manager on Argentina's largest copper / gold mining project. I actually know something about excavation, mining and the permitting process that go with them.
I'm also a graduate of UPSS ( University of Pink Sheet Scams.) No, I'm not labeling DRGR a scam --yet. Here's a few things I've learned.
1. Never completely believe the story until you can see tangible, independently verifiable, proof of performance.
2. Take everything you read or hear about a Pinky with a healthy dose of skepticism.
I've been in and out of DKGR since they were AMVS. I had been out for several months when I got an IR call about the BIG GOLF TOURNAMENT.. I thought it might be good for a pop, so I bought some.
I started reading the Boards and found, what I regard as the preposterous, claim that DKGR can set up equipment and start producing gold without permits. The equally preposterous, IMO, claim of having equipment shipped from Thailand, with no money up front, before permits have been even prepared, convinced me that I was dealing with the same old Drake. I sold at a small loss.
I'm here, and will stay around for a while, as a counter to the over the top (IMO) pumpers that populate the Board..
argonath, For all I know, the Georgia prospect is as rich as Drake says it is. I hope so. I'm " attacking" them because, IMO, they are filling people with unrealistic time frames. And getting LOTS of support from this Board.
Cutting Corners, You asked. "What permit(s) would be needed to set up mining equipment? Would that be state, local, mining or open mining? All of the above? Some of the above? Other? How about a beginners permit?"
My question to the GA Surface Mining Unit (SMU)was in the context of the following information posted by Drake.
"Our initial step is to set up our processing plant and begin recovering gold as soon as possible. Further, we must work to get any additional equipment on-site in order to speed up production and maximize capacity. Fortunately, due to Georgia’s permitting process being reliant on the sale of minerals rather than the production of them, we can begin production immediately and concurrently with the permitting process, thus eliminating any unnecessary delays"
Drake may be able to place equipment on site without permits, but they WILL NOT legally be able to " to set up our processing plant and begin recovering gold as soon as possible."
The lady from GA SMU said anyone performing the activities described, w/o permits, would be "subject to civil penalties"
While on the subject of calls to Georgia authorities. Drake is already on GA SMU's radar scope. Rest assured. I'll see to it the GA SMU will read what I see as serious distortions attributed to them.
Chadman, you are a fast reader. I've made three posts trying to pass on my conversation with Georgia Surfacing Mining Unit. All three only lasted a few minutes.
I talked to Susan at the Georgia Surface mining Unit this afternoon.
B2B; Can gold be mined without a permit until it is sold?
Susan: Absolutely not!. Any surface disturbance approaching mining, requires a permit.
B2B: Could they do sampling w/o permits?
Susan: They could do borings as long as they didn't tear up the surface.
B2B: Could they do any trenching?
Susan: Under some circumstances they could open as much a one acre w/o a State permit, but would need local permits.
B2B: How long is the permitting process?
Susan: I'd say a minimum of 6 months, but for an open pit mining permit any where close to surface water, it would a year or maybe two. If the Corps of Engineers gets involved, expect two years
B2B: They claim that mining equipment is being crated in Thailand for shipment to the site. Would they be allowed to set up equipment w/o permits.
Susan: No. All parties involved in something like that would be subject to civil penalties.
B2B: One more thing. How many commercial gold mines are operating in Georgia?
Susan: None. We have a couple of what we call recreational panning businesses.
I thanked her for her time and told her I'd be in contact if I read any more improbable claims made by DKGR.
"I was always amazed at how much effort the network of faithful put into Grifco. Plane trips to Texas, constant communications between the inner circle about secret conversations with Dial or his cohorts. Unfortunately all that work still doesn't help if the people you are dealing with are dishonest"
I know what you mean, Bobwins. I know of a little outfit by the name of NowAuto, Inc, symbol NWAU. It was pumped on ZipCode Changers from the pennies to well over a dollar. Same thing as with GFCI. A network of faithful calling the CEO. Reporting back to the faithful that great ngwere coming any day. Pink status in the rearview mirror. Well as you say, all that doesn't help if you're dealing with crooks.
IMO, the jury is still out on GFCI. On the other hand NWAU plunged from over a dollar to single digits when it was finally revealed that the CEO was lying to faithful in his teeth. They are still a pink. They started the day At .04. Closed at .08. Maybe the next pump and dump is on with it. I wonder how any of the NWAU faithful were crushed by exuberant pumpers?
I'm not opening a debate. Just making a statement.
Roger that, Len.
GFCI,,, NOW THIS IS FUNNY....
Hey10bagger!!! We agree on something!
Len, You're right. I was wrong about you going after BBB for Contqacting GFCI. Sorry.
I'd still like to know how BBB'scontacts differ from others.
Lentinman /10bagger. Honest injun, I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I read Zip Code Changers and Value Microcaps from time to time. Seems to me that posters often report that they have talked to CEOs and other Company Officers. I don't remember seeing anyone on those Boards attacking the offending posters for trying to gather insider inforation, yet you both go after BBB for talking to the powers.
Maybe you can explain the difference to me.
Thanks.
Most rediculous item of the day:
10bagger callng BBB mean spirited. That's like Ophrah calling Sissy Spacek, fat.
Spark, Thanks for reminding me of that "I have been advised by legal counsel " sillyness. I needed a good laugh.
Bill, you insufferable hypocrite! You chided me for calling you a jerk. You have called Ed Leonard an asshole and now you call BBB a scumbag. You've referred to him as a drama queen, a dude-ette, her and middle aged woman. A few weeks ago you implied he is homosexual. Today you closed your lunatic rant with: "She's full of shit". Any pretext of civility is out he window.
You recently deleted several posts because they were "antagonistic" You obviously have no problem making antagonistic posts. I think you used the "antagonistic" thing as an excuse to get two of my posts off the screen because they nailed you as the hypocrite you are.
"Dude", you are pathetic.
Billy, As blue_ in_ MI said, you're busted. In your post # 2443, made at 11:43.you stated flatly "I spoke with Leonard on the phone and he told me that there wasn't going to be any filing by the end of April."
If you were reading between the lines, you should have stated that you deduced from what he said that there would be no filing done in April. You could have even said that based on your years of investing experience yada, yada ,yada.
Then in post # 2458, you came up with this lame comment:
" when did I say that it was today that we spoke?"
You didn't, but it's clear that if you actually spoke to Leonard about the filing not being done in April, it was today.
From your post #2435 made at 9:45 today, you said: "Peeker, we're in for a monster day IMO
I'm not selling unless the stock gets overvalued. .75 "
Clearly, if Leonard had told you there would be no filing in April, any earlier than today, you wouldn't have made the above comment.
Then in post # 2443, made at 11:41 today, you said "I am looking at what kind of buys my broker can line up, cause I dont like the looks of things if the filings don't get done."
I'm on your case about this because it's wrong for you to intentionally post misinformation. And silly for you to wiggle after you're caught. "Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
FWIW worth, I don't expect to see a filing in April either, but I'm not going to mess with people's heads by by making disingenuous posts.
BTW. Maybe you should post Moderator Billy's Code of Conduct. I want to see why it's wrong for me to call you a jerk, but OK for you to call Ed Leonard "a real asshole"
I talked to Ed Leonard at 2:10 CDT. I asked ifthe CTBG 10-SB would be filed in April 2006. He told me to carefully read the March 30th PR. It said they planned to file the 10-SB in April, 2006. He added that they were still planning to file "around that time frame".
I also asked if he had told anyone that there would be no filing this month. He said that he's told no one that there would be no filing in April. In fact he said he's talked to "no one on that topic today.". He went on the say that he's a certified CPA in Texas and is bound by law from revealing information to anyone other than the officers in the Company and their legal advisors.