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FNN: Donald Trump Rally Fort Dodge, Iowa Nov. 12
Published on Nov 12, 2015 by FOX 10 Phoenix [ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJg9wBPyKMNA5sRDnvzmkdg , http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJg9wBPyKMNA5sRDnvzmkdg/videos ]
Watch Donald Trump LIVE as he takes the stage at the Iowa Central Community College in Fort Dodge, IA on November 12, 2015.
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Donald Trump begs Iowans not to believe Ben Carson: ‘Don’t be fools, okay?’
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What Trump looked like during his wild Iowa rant
By Jenna Johnson
November 13, 2015
FORT DODGE, Iowa — As Donald Trump took the stage in a community college theater on Thursday night, something was off.
The usually punctual executive was nearly 40 minutes late. His voice was hoarse, his hair mussed, his tone defensive. He promised to take questions from the audience but instead launched into a 95-minute-long rant that at times sounded like the monologue of a man grappling with why he is running for president — and if it's really worth it or not. Even for a candidate full of surprises, the speech was surprising.
He scoffed at those who have accused him of not understanding foreign policy, saying he knows more about Islamic State terrorists "than the generals do." He took credit for predicting the threat of Osama bin Laden and being right on the "anchor baby situation," a position he says "these great geniuses from Harvard Law School" now back. He uttered the word "crap" at least three times, and promised to "bomb the s---" out of oil fields benefiting terrorists. He signed a book for a guy in the audience and then tossed it back at him with a flip: "Here you go, baby. I love you."
Trump called Republican rival Carly Fiorina "Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is," accused Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton of playing the "woman's card" and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is "weak like a baby." He then devoted more than 10 minutes angrily attacking his chief rival, Ben Carson, saying the retired doctor has a "pathological disease" with no cure, similar to being a child molester.
"If I did the stuff he said he did, I wouldn't be here right now. It would have been over. It would have been over. It would have been totally over," Trump said. "And that's who's in second place. And I don't get it."
For months, Trump has defied the traditional rules of politics, saying and doing things that would end the presidential ambitions of most candidates — and often to the chagrin of Republican leaders who can't believe that a billionaire reality television star has built such a dedicated following and dominated the polls for so many months. As some waited for an implosion of Trump's improbable campaign, the Republican front-runner began to show much more composure and control on the campaign trail. During the latest debate, he largely refrained from attacking those on stage with him, instead focusing on the policy questions asked.
But Trump appeared to unravel on stage Thursday evening before a crowd of roughly 1,500 in Fort Dodge, a small industrial town 100 miles northwest of Des Moines. Many in the crowd were community college students who have never voted in a presidential election, along with teachers, local politicians and a number of farmers from the area. Rather than sticking to his usual, tidy 60 minutes, Trump kept going and going. Campaign staffers with microphones had planned to solicit questions from the audience, but instead stood waiting in the aisles, then sat for a while, then stood again at attention. Those standing on risers behind Trump — providing a backdrop of Iowan faces — eventually gave up and sat down in a falling cascade.
At first, the audience was quick to laugh at Trump's sharp insults and applaud his calls for better care for veterans, to replace the Affordable Care Act, and to construct a wall along the Mexican border. But as the speech dragged on, the applause came less often and grew softer. As Trump attacked Carson using deeply personal language, the audience grew quiet, a few shaking their heads. A man sitting in the back of the auditorium loudly gasped.
The tirade came amid one of Trump's busiest weeks yet on the campaign trail. Trump hosted "Saturday Night Live" last weekend and then spent Sunday doing interviews. Monday night he had a rally in Illinois. Tuesday night was the fourth GOP debate in Milwaukee. Wednesday morning, after about 90 minutes of sleep, Trump attended a breakfast in New Hampshire. Thursday he arrived in Iowa for a tour of a factory, television interviews and the rally at the community college.
Trump's tear started hours before the rally. On Twitter, he slammed Carson, "dopey Karl Rove" and the Wall Street Journal editorial board. In a CNN interview, Trump accused Rubio of supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants already in the country simply because he's Hispanic. A few of Trump's fans learned about the rally speech on Twitter and accused reporters of fabricating the quotes and tweeting them out in unison. Video later posted online showed that Trump indeed had said these things.
Trump opened the rally with a defense of his often-criticized proposal for dramatic immigration reform. He explained how other countries punish illegal border crossers: North Korea requires 12 years of hard labor, he said, while Afghanistan shoots people, and Canada assesses a fine of $5,000.
"If you cross the United States border illegally, you get a job, you get a drivers license … you get food stamps, you get a place to live, you get health care, housing, child benefits and in many cases education," Trump said. "You wonder why we're a debtor nation. You wonder why our country is going to hell."
Throughout the evening, Trump kept coming back to this point: The country is going to hell, and something must be done. And it was a message that the audience seemed to savor.
"We're in this thing together, folks. We've got to get out of it," Trump said at one point. And later: "We're just not going to take it any more."
Trump described traditional politicians as "stupid" and told the crowd that he is "competent." That's why he got so angry when journalists forced him to share his strategy for fighting the Islamic State, even though he wanted to keep such plans secret so as not to tip off the enemy, he said. Journalists, he said, are "scum" and "garbage."
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do," Trump said. "Believe me."
Trump said he would go after the oil fields in Iraq and Syria that he says nets the terrorist group "millions of dollars a week."
"I would bomb the s--- out of them," he said to raucous applause. "I would just bomb those suckers. And that's right: I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries. I would blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left."
The applause was nowhere near as strong as Trump launched into a lengthy critique of Carson, who is well-liked in Iowa and has at times beat Trump in polls here. The Iowa caucuses are often dominated by evangelicals, many of whom have been captivated by Carson, who talks endlessly about his faith.
Carson wrote in his autobiography that as a young man he had a "pathological temper" that caused him to violently attack others — going after his mother with a hammer and trying to stab a friend, only to have the blade stopped and broken by the friend's belt buckle. In recent days, those accounts have come under scrutiny, and Carson has had to clarify or correct some of the details.
Trump said Carson has a "pathological disease" with no cure, comparing it to the incurable mental conditions of child molesters.
"A child molester, there's no cure for that," Trump said. "If you're a child molester, there's no cure. They can't stop you. Pathological? There's no cure."
With his voice growing louder and louder, Trump questioned what sort of person would attack his mother. He questioned how a belt buckle could stop a blade, stepping away from the podium to demonstrate how such an attack might happen and how his own belt buckle wouldn't stay in place long enough to stop a knife.
"Anybody have a knife?" Trump asked the audience, which was screened by Secret Service agents who began protecting him this week. "You want to try it on me?"
Trump was flabbergasted: "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"
And Trump said he doesn't believe that after just a few hours of reflection, Carson found God and overcame his violent temper.
"He goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours, and he comes out, and now he's religious," Trump said. "And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn't happen that way. It doesn't happen that way. … Don't be fools, okay?"
Trump told the audience that while he might not be "a perfect Christian" like Carson, he has leadership abilities that Carson does not have.
"I know how to do it," Trump said of the presidency. "I really know how to do it."
After 95 minutes, Trump drew to a sudden but long-awaited end. Gripping the podium, he promised to unify the country and win. He also wondered aloud if he should just move to Iowa and buy a farm.
"I've really enjoyed being with you," Trump said. "It's sad in many ways because we're talking about so many negative topics, but in certain ways it's beautiful. It's beautiful."
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As challengers approach, a different Donald Trump emerges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-challengers-close-in-a-different-donald-trump-is-revealed/2015/10/30/1d62b2e4-7f14-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html
Trump's attacks on Carson turn personal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/donald-trump-says-ben-carsons-childhood-stories-might-be-total-fabrication/
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With torrent of attacks, Donald Trump moves back into center of race
By Ed O'Keefe and Jenna Johnson
November 13, 2015
ORLANDO — Businessman Donald Trump — after weeks of bristling at rising challengers — has again seized center stage in the chaotic Republican nomination race, unleashing a torrent of personal and sometimes profane attacks that forced his rivals to respond and underscored his continued dominance.
Trump’s latest attention-grabbing comments came during a rally in northwestern Iowa late Thursday night. He called former technology executive Carly Fiorina “Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is” and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) was “weak like a baby.” Trump also accused retired surgeon Ben Carson of lying about his violent childhood and having a “pathological disease” with no cure, which he said is similar to being a child molester.
“How stupid are the people of Iowa?” Trump asked, marveling that Carson is polling nearly as well as he is despite providing autobiographical details that Trump says don’t make sense. “How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?”
Such comments could end presidential dreams for most candidates, yet for months Trump has defied the traditional rules of politics and continued to lead the pack. His endurance comes much to the chagrin of Republican leaders, who can’t believe that a billionaire reality-television star has built such a dedicated following and dominated the polls for so many months. There are also worries about the direction in which Trump is leading the party on immigration and other issues.
“We have a marketing problem,” Florida Republican Party Chairman Blaise Ingoglia told party colleagues during a two-day conference in Orlando that heard from Trump and Carson late Friday. Ingoglia said Republicans “need to be smart when it comes to elections. We need a lot more vision and a lot less vitriol in our own primaries.”
Carson responded to Trump’s attacks during a campaign stop in Greenville, S.C., and called on his rival to put aside “politics of personal destruction” and “deal with the real issues.”
“I’m hopeful that at some point we reach a level of maturity so that we can actually deal with the issues that are facing us right now, and we can stop getting into the mud,” Carson told reporters Friday on the campus of Bob Jones University ahead of a town hall event.
Later in the day, Carson sought to defuse the situation. When asked about Trump by reporters in Orlando, Carson said: “When I was a youngster, I used to get irritated by that kind of thing. ‘He said this about you. He said this about your mama.’ I’ve moved so much beyond that.”
If there was any question whether Trump meant what he said Thursday night, confirmation came Friday morning in a video posted on Instagram that showed a brief clip of Carson’s biographical claims being contradicted by a childhood friend, along with this message: “Violent criminal? Or pathological liar? We don’t need either as president.”
Others candidates quickly chimed in Friday. Rubio claimed he didn’t know the details of Trump’s comments, but he complimented Iowa Republicans: “I think the Iowa voters are some of the nicest, most informed voters in the country,” he said.
Bush, campaigning in Franklin, N.H., before traveling to Orlando, called Carson “the nicest guy. I think personal attacks aren’t going to cut it.”
Regarding Trump’s comments about Iowa voters, Bush said: “He better go back to the marketing department on that one. Look, I don’t get why he says what he says. Can’t help you on that.”
Fiorina posted a snarky response on Facebook that said, in part, “all the money in the world won’t make you as smart as Ben Carson.”
Responding to Trump often means becoming the victim of his backlash — which some candidates craving media attention welcome. Trump fired back at Fiorina in a series of tweets Friday afternoon, including this message: “Carly, whose campaign is dead, is making false statements about me in order to salvage hope! Sad.”
All of which leaves the question: Will Trump’s latest round of controversial comments turn off potential supporters?
Trump had been more controlled in recent weeks as he endured in the race, but he appeared to unravel onstage Thursday night at a community college in Fort Dodge, Iowa. At first, the audience was quick to laugh at Trump’s sharp insults, but the applause came less often and grew softer as the speech dragged on. The audience became quiet, with a few shaking their heads, after Trump’s attacks on Carson grew personal. A man sitting in the back of the auditorium loudly gasped.
The Iowa caucuses are often dominated by evangelicals, many of whom have been captivated by Carson, who talks frequently about his faith. As part of his critique of Carson’s autobiography, Trump said he doesn’t think that Carson was able to so quickly overcome his violent temper after finding God. Trump also mocked and pantomimed Carson’s claim that a youthful stabbing incident was stopped by a friend’s belt buckle.
“And the people of Iowa believe him,” Trump said. “Give me a break. It doesn’t happen that way. .?.?. Don’t be fools, okay?”
Carson and Trump have long attracted some of the same types of voters. Karen Dixon, 71, a homemaker who attended Carson’s event in South Carolina on Friday, said she once supported Trump but that his performance this week had changed her opinion. She would not rule out voting for him but is more drawn to Carson now.
“That brought him down in a mighty, mighty way,” Dixon said. “To get up on a stage in front of so many people and have no dignity for another human being, much less a fellow Republican — for him to do all that with his coat and belt, that was totally unpresidential, in my eyes.”
Carson fan Don Pendleton, 64, said Trump “has a real chance to win if he didn’t have the language he has. His language turns me off. Don’t call people ‘stupid,’ especially the Iowa voters.”
At the “Sunshine Summit” in Orlando on Friday, tone and inclusion — especially on issues such as immigration reform — were a subtle subtext of the party gathering in a state with a booming Hispanic population in the critical Central Florida corridor between Tampa and Orlando.
But Trump’s 20-minute speech in Orlando urging harsh immigration policies and other tough measures was warmly received. The crowd cheered wildly when he said that the border wall he wants to build “is going to be a real wall. It’s going to be a Trump wall.”
Bush and Rubio supporters were quick to predict that Trump’s comments would hurt his campaign.
“Somebody said to me recently that one of the reasons that they think Mr. Trump is doing so well is because he’s not a politician,” said Florida Rep. Colleen Burton (R), a longtime Bush supporter. “I said, ‘He is the consummate politician. He’s exactly what you don’t like about politicians: He’s saying what he thinks he knows people want to hear.’?”
In Iowa, Patrick Schaeffer, a Republican who lives in the Des Moines area, wasn’t too high on Trump before, but he said he considers him an embarrassment now. Schaeffer said if Trump becomes the GOP nominee and faces off against Hillary Rodham Clinton, he’ll probably stay home.
“I don’t appreciate what he said about Iowa voters,” said Schaeffer, 54, a facilities engineer with John Deere. “I’m ashamed that there’s no one better in the Republican Party.”
Johnson reported from Fort Dodge, Iowa. Philip Rucker in Greenville, S.C., and John Wagner in Des Moines contributed to this report.
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The pathetic Mr. Trump, whose sideshow campaign gets worse and worse
Small measures for a small man.
Editorial
Sunday, November 15, 2015, 4:05 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/editorial-pathetic-mr-trump-article-1.2434657 [with comments]
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Donald Trump, closing mosques and the massive political power of fear
By Amber Phillips
November 16, 2015
Americans and many around the world are feeling a lot less safe Monday morning than they did before the Paris attacks Friday. And perhaps nobody has been more willing and able to channel that fear and anxiety to his political benefit than Donald Trump.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" [ http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-we-must-watch-and-study-mosques-567563331864 , (for the moment at least at) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPGE6hh03h4 (next below; with comment)]
"Well, I would hate to do it, but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred — the absolute hatred — is coming from these areas," he said.
In case he gets blamed for saying something incongruent with the 1st Amendment, Trump added that closing mosques is "something that many people — not me — it's something that many people are considering and that many people are going to do." But still, the message from Trump here is clear: The world is a dangerous place, and the only way to stay safe is to elect a president who can protect — and to a large degree, insulate — America from it.
By playing up many Americans' fears — about national security, about economic security, about the world in general — Trump is trying to convince Americans he's just the guy to do that. And while others are certainly paying attention to fears of refugees — some Republican governors are now closing their borders to them — Trump has always been willing to take things a step further. The mosques are just the latest example.
And Monday wasn't even the first time he had suggested as a leading presidential candidate that we should maybe close mosques to keep Americans safe. In an October interview with Fox Business, he said this, according to The Washington Post's Sarah Pulliam Bailey [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/10/21/donald-trump-says-he-would-consider-closing-down-some-mosques-in-the-u-s/ ]:
Stuart Varney asked Trump whether, if elected president, would take similar action as the British government, which has revoked the passports of people of some and closed mosques.
“I would do that, absolutely; I think it’s great,” Trump responded. “If you go out, you go fight for ISIS, you can’t come back. Why can’t you do it? You can do it here.”
Varney asked, “Can you close a mosque? I mean, we do have religious freedom.”
“Well, I don’t know,” Trump said. “I mean, I haven’t heard about the closing of the mosque. It depends, if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear, I don’t know. You’re going to have to certainly look at it.”
Going back to Sept. 11, 2001, mosques have become a symbol of fear among many on the right — a physical manifestation of the fact that there are people in the world who claim to use a religious ideology as justification to commit terror against Americans. Some even view them as sanctuaries where attacks could be plotted.
Trump knows this. In 2010, the real estate mogul offered to buy [ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7993347/Donald-Trump-offers-to-purchase-site-of-Ground-Zero-mosque.html ] the the site of a planned Islamic community center near the fallen World Trade Center — with the condition that it be built five blocks away.
Talking about mosques in the wake of the Paris attacks is just the latest iteration of this kind of thing from Trump. He has often gone further on these matters than many other in his own party — and found a devoted base of people who eat it up.
In his June presidential launch, Trump hit a nerve on the right [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/13/donald-trumps-political-success-on-immigration-is-purely-accidental/ ] by saying many illegal Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals sent by the Mexican government.
Then, this summer, when a San Francisco woman was shot and killed, allegedly by an illegal immigrant, Trump talked about it repeatedly for a week. In fact, he's still talking about it: At a rally in Beaumont, Tex., on Saturday, Trump brought relatives of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage to share their stories.
When Obama announced that the U.S. will take in 10,000 Syrian refugees, Trump said he'd kick them all out when he got to the White House. Since then, he's used language describing the millions of refugees from the Middle East less as if they were people fleeing terrorism and a civil war and more as if they are people traveling to the West to commit terrorism.
In September, he wondered aloud [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/30/donald-trump-syrian-refugees-might-be-a-terrorist-army-in-disguise/ ] to New Hampshire voters whether the refugees might be a terrorist army in disguise: "They might be ISIS — I don't know." He's warned that accepting refugees "could be the greatest Trojan horse."
In his speeches, Trump also exponentially misstates the number of refugees the U.S. will accept, saying Obama has opened the U.S. to 250,000 instead of just 10,000. Here's what he said on Saturday, according to The Post's Jenna Johnson [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/ ]:
"And we all have heart, and we all want people taken care of and all of that, but with the problems our country has, to take in 250,000 people — some of whom are going to have problems, big problems — is just insane," he said. "You have to be insane. Terrible."
Trump isn't backing off his penchant for hyperbole, and he feels no urgency to; he still stands among the top of the polls in the GOP race. And the people who attended his Texas rally the day after Paris sounded incredibly afraid. Bolstering Trump's case and perhaps making his argument more attractive was news over the weekend that one of the attackers in Paris might have entered France via the migrant trail [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/attackers-possible-link-to-migrant-trail-heightens-security-fears.html ].
Here are a few of their comments about Syrian refugees, from Johnson:
• "I do not want them here — we don’t know who they are, we don’t know their history, we don’t know if they’re terrorists just being funneled through these other countries."
• "I think they’re wolves in sheeps’ clothing."
• "I don’t mind taking refugees who are Christian, but the Muslims scare me.”
Trump's refugees-might-be-dangerous lines have picked up so much momentum that President Obama felt compelled to push back against them in a news conference at the G-20 summit Monday in Turkey. While not mentioning Trump by name, Obama said, "Many of these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves. ... Slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values."
In Trump's "Morning Joe" interview Monday, host Mika Brzezinski asked Trump whether even suggesting closing mosques in America wouldn't contribute to anti-Muslim hatred that might be stewing after the Paris attacks.
"There's already hatred," he replied. "The hatred is incredible."
As is the fear back home. And Trump knows that.
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© 2015 The Washington Post
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Donald Trump endorses tracking Muslims in US
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/19/15
Vaughn Hillyard, NBC News campaign embed, talks with Rachel Maddow about his specific questioning of Republican front-runner Donald Trump about his support for the idea of creating a national database of Muslims in the U.S. Duration: 12:58
©2015 NBCNews.com
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-endorses-tracking-muslims-in-us-570404931570 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-19-2015-trms (no comments yet)] [the above YouTube of the segment at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMDWs2RwbtY (with comment), another, slightly clipped at the beginning, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SNLHKUYoc (with comments)]
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FULL Speech HD: Donald Trump MASSIVE Rally in Birmingham, AL (11-21-15)
Published on Nov 21, 2015 by Right Side Broadcasting [ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHqC-yWZ1kri4YzwRSt6RGQ / http://www.youtube.com/user/rightsideradio , http://www.youtube.com/user/rightsideradio/videos ]
November 21, 2015: GOP Presidential candidate and front-runner Donald J. Trump held a campaign rally in Birmingham, AL and spoke to a crowd of tens of thousands at the Birmingham Jefferson Convention Complex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmPqV41bfC0 [with comments] [also at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvPoFo1zPY (with comments), and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKXP-GzY80E (no comments yet)]
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Black activist punched at Donald Trump rally in Birmingham
[note: this is the original version of this story, from the early morning hours of November 22, 2015; the rewritten and apparently final version of this story follows next below]
A protester is removed by security at a Donald Trump rally on Saturday in Birmingham, Ala.
(AP Photo/Eric Schultz)
By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan
November 22, 2015
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- A white man punched and attempted to choke a black protester who was thrown on the ground at a Donald Trump rally in Birmingham on Saturday morning, as an onlooker yelled, "Don't choke him! Don't choke him!"
The protester, identified by local media [ http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/black_protester_attacked_at_do.html ] as well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr., started shouting during Trump's speech and could be heard yelling, "Black lives matter!" A fight broke out around him, prompting Trump to briefly halt the rally and demand removal of Southall.
"Get him the hell out of here, will you please?" Trump said.
The crowd alternated between cheering and booing as security officers pushed their way through the crowd of several thousand. Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN [ http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/21/politics/trump-muslims-surveillance/index.html ]. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall's neck, and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: "Don't choke him!"
Southall has had many run-ins with the police and has even been arrested as he fights against what he says is unfair treatment of blacks.
Several bystanders were alarmed that Southall would be severely hurt, and the security officers quickly moved to get him off the ground and walk him out of the building. Meanwhile, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders recently responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onto the stage of one of his events.
"You see, he was politically correct," Trump said. "Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that's not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can't let that stuff happen."
The racially charged altercation happened in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights’ struggle, and led some to note that Trump’s supporters attending the rally were nearly all white in a city with a majority of black people. Trump critics and rivals have said that he is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said some of Trump's anti-Islam comments are "manipulating people's angst and their fears."
Sanders, in an address at Georgetown University last week, said of Trump: "People should not be using the political process to inject racism into the debate."
Before the fight broke out, Trump had already warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall! In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of murders committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of "certain mosques."
"I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are," Trump said. “I don't want the people from Syria coming in, because we don't know who they are. We don't know who they are. And I don't want them coming in."
Trump also said he watched as "thousands and thousands of people" cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on 9/11, which gave the impression that he was talking about Muslims being happy that so many Americans died. Officials have repeatedly debunked rumors that Muslims in New Jersey were celebrating the attacks at that time.
Up until this week, when protests erupted at Trump rallies reporters were free to venture into the crowd to witness and document what was happening. But starting on Wednesday, Trump's campaign manager began to forcefully block reporters from leaving a designated media area during Trump's speeches, restrictions that reporters have challenged. CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond attempted to watch the whole speech from the audience, allowing him to record the fight that broke out. But soon after, Trump's staff spotted him and forced him back into the media area they call "the pen." A Washington Post reporter in the crowd also witnessed part of the altercation.
From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening but could only see commotion in the sea of people, followed by at least two protesters being escorted out of the rally. As Diamond's video circulated on social media on Saturday night, some of Trump's most vocal supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters "thugs," "Dem plants" and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility the violence by attending the rally and accused Southall of starting the altercation. They also cast these protesters as violent extremists and pointed to media reports [ http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2015/11/protester_arrested_at_donald_t.html ] that one of the hecklers arrested at a Trump rally in Massachusetts a few days earlier had once been convicted of trying to bomb a Marine recruiting center.
Southall told the AL.com news site [ http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/black_protester_attacked_at_do.html ] that the commotion started as he started recording himself and other protesters, and saying he wanted "Donald Trump to know he's not welcome here." Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and called him a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.
On stage, Trump had been bragging about his high poll numbers, noting that rival Ben Carson is "dropping like a rock" in early polls and announcing that he's "winning big" in Alabama. Trump grew agitated as the commotion took up more and more of his rally time and reporters shifted their focus.
"You know, you have one guy over there shouting," Trump said. "We have thousands of people -- and you'll read about him tomorrow. They'll say: 'Oh, the room had a picket.' Get him the hell out of here, will you please?"
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Trump on rally protester: ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’
[note: this is the rewritten and apparently final version of this story, from the afternoon of November 22, 2015; the original version of this story is just above]
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Trump to black activist: 'Get him the hell out of here'
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At a campaign event in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday, Nov. 21, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump demands the removal of a well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he shouts, "Black lives matter!" (Reuters)
By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan
November 22, 2015
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Donald Trump said Sunday that the protester who interrupted his rally at a convention center here on Saturday morning was “so obnoxious and so loud” that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”
Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall.
“Get him the hell out of here, will you, please?” Trump said on Saturday morning. “Get him out of here. Throw him out!”
At one point, Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN [ https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/668168739100172289 ]. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall’s neck and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: “Don’t choke him!”
As security officers got Southall on his feet and led him out of the building, he was repeatedly pushed and shoved by people in the crowd. The crowd alternated between booing and cheering. There were chants of “All lives matter!”
“Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,” Trump said on the Fox News Channel on Sunday morning. “I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a trouble-maker who was looking to make trouble.”
That was a change in tone from just a month ago, when Trump would regularly tell his audiences not to harm the protesters who often infiltrate his rallies.
“Don’t hurt ’em,” Trump said at a rally in Miami on Oct. 23 as pro-immigration activists were led out. “You can get ’em out, but don’t hurt ’em.”
The Republican front-runner has long made provocative statements a hallmark of his campaign. Critics and rivals have said that Trump is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said Trump’s comments about Islam are “manipulating people’s angst and their fears.”
Saturday’s racially charged altercation occurred in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights struggle. The thousands who attended Trump’s rally were nearly all white in a city with a black majority.
Southall told the AL.com news site that the commotion started as he began recording himself and other protesters at the rally and saying that he wanted “Donald Trump to know he’s not welcome here.” Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and made a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.
A swarm of security officers quickly made their way through the crowd of several thousand, got Southall off the ground and walked him out of the building. Trump has had Secret Service protection since Nov. 11, and those who attend his rallies and political events must now walk through metal detectors and have their bags searched.
“He was so obnoxious and so loud, he was screaming,” Trump recounted in the Fox News interview on Sunday. “I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people, and this guy started screaming by himself.”
As Southall was removed Saturday, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onstage during an event earlier this year.
“You see, he was politically correct,” Trump said. “Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that’s not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can’t let that stuff happen.”
Before the fight broke out, Trump had warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: “Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall!” In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of killings committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of “certain mosques.”
“I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are,” Trump said. “I don’t want the people from Syria coming in, because we don’t know who they are. We don’t know who they are. And I don’t want them coming in.”
Trump also said he watched as “thousands and thousands of people” in New Jersey cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, giving the impression that he was talking about Muslims living in the United States being happy that so many Americans died in the attacks. Officials have repeatedly debunked these rumors. Trump stood by his comments during an interview on ABC News on Sunday, saying that the cheers came from the “large Arab populations” in New Jersey.
“It did happen. I saw it,” Trump said. “It was on television. I saw it.”
From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening Saturday at the Trump event here in Birmingham. As CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond managed to make a video of the incident before Trump staff forced him back into the media pen. As the video circulated on social media that night, some of Trump’s supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters “thugs,” “Dem plants” and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility of violence by attending the rally.
Trump grew agitated as reporters shifted their focus to the protesters and away from him and his thousands of supporters.
“Look at those bloodsuckers back there,” Trump said. “They’re turned around, and they’re following the people, right? Because you have a small group of people that made some noise and are being thrown out on their ass. Right?”
The crowd roared with cheers.
Amber Phillips contributed to this report.
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Donald Trump Won't Rule Out Database Of Muslims
ASSOCIATED PRESS
He also said he doesn’t want to close mosques, he just wants to spy on them.
By Arthur Delaney
Posted: 11/22/2015 10:39 AM EST
WASHINGTON -- Professional entertainer and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump refused to rule out creating some kind of database for tracking Muslims in the United States.
George Stephanopoulos asked Trump on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday whether he would unequivocally rule out a database for "all Muslims" since Trump's position on the question has been a little unclear [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-backtracks-hard_564f70a1e4b0879a5b0aec29 ].
"No, not at all," Trump said. "I want a database for the refugees that -- if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees [ http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world/syrian-refugees.htm ] are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases."
To recap: Trump said he would not rule out a database "for all Muslims," but then talked about a database specifically for Syrian refugees. Refugees are already subject to a lengthy vetting process [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/refugee-screening-process-syrians_564b55ece4b045bf3df0ece7 ] that can last years, but the government doesn't necessarily track them [ http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees ] after they arrive.
Trump also said he supported torturing terrorism suspects via waterboarding and that he doesn't want to close mosques, just to spy on them.
And Stephanopoulos asked Trump about his questionable claim [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-syrian-muslims-surveillance.html ] that he saw thousands of people cheering when the World Trade Center fell on Sept. 11.
"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations."
Stephanopoulos repeatedly pointed out that police said it didn't happen.
Copyright © 2015 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-muslim-database_5651d3cfe4b0258edb31d879 [with comments]
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Fact Checker: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks
November 22, 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/ [with comments]
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Donald Trump Is Using False Statistics to Make a Racist Point
[ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 (with comments), http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10 (with comments)]
He tweeted a photo with completely made-up statistics about black crime.
11.22.15
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/22/donald-trump-is-using-false-statistics-to-make-a-racist-point.html
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We Found Where Donald Trump’s “Black Crimes” Graphic Came From
Straight out of the white supremacist fever swamp
By Charles Johnson
November 22, 2015
So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic:
[ https://twitter.com/SeanSean252/status/668516391364890624 (with comments)]
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"@SeanSean252 [ https://twitter.com/SeanSean252 ]: @WayneDupreeShow [ https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow ] @Rockprincess818 [ https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818 ] @CheriJacobus [ https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus ] pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN [ https://t.co/5GUwhhtvyN ( https://twitter.com/SeanSean252/status/668516391364890624 )]"
2:05 PM - 22 Nov 2015
[ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 (with comments)]
Not only is this racist, it’s completely false. These statistics are made up out of thin air, and the source — the “Crime Statistics Bureau” in San Francisco — simply does not exist.
Here are the actual statistics from a real source, the FBI:
Justin Miller
@justinjm1
Whites killed by blacks 15%
Whites killed by whites 82%
Blacks killed by blacks 91%
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls … https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 …
2:53 PM - 22 Nov 2015
[ https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/668532837491081221 (with comments)]
So let’s recap. The leading candidate for the Republican Party’s nomination for president is tweeting absolute nonsense with a blatantly racist slant.
But where did this graphic come from? My first thought was that it must have originated at a white supremacist website like Stormfront, because it really is that bad. But neither Google Image search nor tineye.com [ http://tineye.com/ ] found it posted at any websites. Google Images did, however, find the earliest tweet in which this horrible racist image appeared:
pic.twitter.com/vGXcO5xCgk [ https://t.co/vGXcO5xCgk ( https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/status/668282032389230592 )]
— Non Dildo’d Goyim (@CheesedBrit [ https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/with_replies { https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit }]) November 22, 2015 [ https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/status/668282032389230592 ]
(I saved a screenshot in case it suddenly goes missing.)
UPDATE: Sure enough, it went missing, so here’s that screenshot:
Here’s the bio of the person who posted it:
Notice that he’s an admirer of Hitler:
Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache.
And his avatar, that looks like a modified swastika, is the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Faith_Movement ].
So there you have it. Donald Trump is posting racist imagery that comes directly from neo-Nazis.
I hope you’re not surprised that a guy like Donald Trump, who continually spouts fascist rhetoric, is attracted to fascist memes posted by neo-Nazis. This is where the right wing has ended up in 2015.
(h/t: Backwoods_Sleuth)
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Donald Trump insults my son's memory: The mother of an American Muslim first responder who died on 9/11 answers the Republican frontrunner
The author with portraits of her son, in 2010.
Bebeto Matthews/AP
BY Talat Hamdani [ http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Talat-Hamdani ]
Monday, November 23, 2015, 12:01 PM
On Sept. 11, 2001, I lost my 23-year-old son, Mohammad Salman Hamdani, at the Twin Towers. He was a first responder and NYPD cadet who rushed down to rescue his fellow Americans — and gave the ultimate sacrifice.
He didn’t discriminate. He followed his heart, his humanity and his training to do his best to save those lives were in danger.
By contrast, across America today, we are witnessing the spectacle of politicians crassly exploiting the tragedies of Paris [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dead-explosions-shooting-reported-paris-article-1.2434381 ], Beirut and Russia for selfish political gains. Capitalizing on fear and the considerable ignorance about the Muslim faith among many of our citizens, they are in a rush to the bottom, driving a stampede of prejudicial proposals.
Quite the opposite of supporting their fellow Americans in a moment of crisis as my son did, many apparently see political gain to be had in selectively denying American Muslims their rights. If that weren’t ugly enough, many are equally ready to turn their backs on the finest American tradition of welcoming refugees fleeing violence, persecution and war.
Perhaps the worst of all is Donald Trump’s recent openness to the idea of having all Muslims registered in a database [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-supports-creating-database-u-s-muslims-article-1.2441178 ], along with his suggestion that it might be necessary to shut down mosques and force all who share my faith to carry a special ID card. This is not some fringe candidate; it is the Republican Party’s undisputed front-runner.
When others pushed back against these proposals for their obvious parallels to pre-war Nazi Germany, Trump did not back down. Instead, he further claimed this weekend that “thousands” of New Jersey Muslims cheered as the Twin Towers fell. He used this blatant lie to suggest the NYPD renew its spying program on local New York and New Jersey Muslims.
Let’s be clear here: By making such horrendous suggestions, Trump is generating fear and advocating hatred and violence against Muslims.
And sadly, he is not alone. Presidential aspirant Ben Carson has largely echoed Trump, while Sen. Marco Rubio has suggested that all Muslim gatherings are suspect and should be monitored. Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Jeb Bush meanwhile have suggested that Christian refugees should be given priority in entering the United States.
The President of the United States, like every member of Congress and every member of the armed forces, takes an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right of assembly and the right to be free from unlawful search are at the heart of our national identity.
To see politicians demonstrate contempt for our Constitution and advocate for policies with ugly precedents should outrage any citizen who has ever sworn that oath to the Constitution — as I did, when I became a citizen — and any American with a genuine respect for our most important values as a nation.
Perhaps more importantly, it should make clear that these politicians are unqualified to be President. Presidents take an oath to defend the Constitution.
On a personal level, I wonder whether any of these politicians has lost a child, a parent or a sibling in a terrorist attack. The pain of losing and burying your child is inexpressible. The feeling of incompleteness remains because my son Salman was a part of my body; every breath I take reminds me of him.
I wonder how, if he were alive today, he would respond to Donald Trump’s claims that “thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated his murder. I wonder what he would say to witness him and other vultures picking on the flesh of 9/11 and these other terrible tragedies.
No one needs to tell me that we live in dangerous and fearful times. I live with that every day that I mourn the loss of my son. At the same time, we must never lose sight of what it is that will lead us to prevail. We need to uphold our American identity. Ultimately, this conflict is about who we are. We have to uphold our values. This may be hardest in tough times, but that is also when it is most important.
If we are truly to lead a successful struggle to address the threat posed to us all by violent extremists, if we are truly to be the leader of the world, then we cannot abandon our creed of advocating liberty and justice for all.
Hamdani, a Pakistan-born American citizen, lost her son in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. She lives in New York.
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© Copyright 2015 NYDailyNews.com
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Heard a Jewish joke lately? I did — in the Hudson Valley
In New York City, we tend to get along.
Debbie Egan-Chin, New York Daily News
BY Candy Schulman [ http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Candy-Schulman ]
Friday, October 16, 2015, 12:34 PM
"This Jew goes into the army," a voice boomed.
He was sitting catty-corner to my husband and me. We were having lunch in the Hudson Valley, after a nature hike. Curiously we listened, an unwilling audience hearing a racist riddle unfold.
"The sergeant hands out tools, and gives the Jew a shovel," the man projected. He was in his 40s with short brown hair, dressed in a well-worn tee shirt and jeans. "The Jew asks if they have one with a motor. The officer says, 'Did you ever see a shovel with a motor?' And the Jew replies, 'Did you ever see a Jew with a shovel?'" (Get it? It plays on the old dumb stereotype that Jews won't break a sweat, will always pay others to do things for them.)
"He told the joke for our benefit," my husband whispered.
"You're being paranoid," I insisted.
"Did you hear how loudly he spoke?"
"Maybe it's just a coincidence," I hoped.
I was born in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, amid tribesmen (Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed), Italians and Irish. We not only co-existed, but became friends. No one would have told a demeaning joke about each other. Occasionally I heard landsmen ridicule themselves. Yet I'd never heard an anti-Semitic joke bellow through a crowded restaurant.
Whether it was because he recognized us as "the other," his words were alarming. Yet he laughed heartily and sipped his coffee, before explaining the punchline to the stumped white-haired octogenarian across from him, probably his grandmother.
We sometimes forget how immune we are to prejudice in New York City. I raised my daughter in a melting pot of Hare Krishnas to transgenders. I sent her to a Quaker school, where truths are "deepened by welcoming people with diverse experiences of the world into our community." She baked cupcakes for LGBT fund-raisers.
In college, she watched a Jewish friend teach her Christian roommate to write her name in Hebrew. Her 26-year-old boyfriend stormed through the dorm, yelling, "I'll kill anyone who makes my girlfriend into a Jew." Police barred him from campus.
Decades earlier, I migrated from Brooklyn to Ohio. My mother examined the nametags on every door in my dorm, worried I was outnumbered. That night a dozen girls huddled over the three Jewish freshmen in the lounge, demanding, "Where are your horns?"
Away from small towns and farms for the first time, they'd never met a Jew. Now there were three, sharing their bathroom. The heckling continued. I didn't want to follow my ancestors, fleeing for safety in numbers with "their own kind." But I was 17, as apprehensive of the unknown as my dorm-mates. We moved to Taylor Tower, nicknamed Taylor Temple because of how many residents had been bat mitzvahed. Our own shtetl. This taught me more about the world than any history class.
And here it was again. Driving home, I texted my friend, child of Holocaust survivors. "Did you confront the joke teller?" she asked.
A half-Jewish friend agreed, remarking, "You got a good joke out of it, and a reminder of how much we're hated."
Although I could see the joke's humor, I felt uncomfortable laughing — especially because anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. and Europe rose 38% in 2014, "one of the worst years in the last decade" according to a startling study by Tel Aviv University Kantor Center for the Study of Contemporary European Jewry.
Jews feel safer settling into liberal enclaves. But when we edge further into the world, we must be ready for unsuspected jolts of anti-Semitism. My daughter left to study in Paris the day after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. My instinct was to warn her not to volunteer her heritage unless asked, even though it was wrong to hide. Her Catholic host mother offered to remove the cross above her new bed. They shared after-church dinners on Sundays, and she bought them their first challah from a bakery in the old Jewish quarter.
"It's not the Parisians who are anti-Semitic," a Moroccan neighbor assured me. "They have five million Muslims to hate now," she claimed, France's second-largest ethnic group.
I did not find solace in anyone hating someone even more than Jews. This won't console me the next time I hear a disparaging joke about my people. Nor will I be surprised.
Schulman is a writer in New York.
© Copyright 2015 NYDailyNews.com
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/candy-schulman-heard-jewish-joke-article-1.2400104 [with comments]
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Chris Christie Tiptoes Around Donald Trump’s 9/11 Lie
So much for ‘Telling It Like It Is.’ Asked about the GOP front-runner’s false claim that thousands of Muslims in Jersey City cheered the attacks, the governor decided to punt.
11.23.15
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/23/chris-christie-tiptoes-around-donald-trump-s-9-11-lie.html
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Here's Why It Seems Like Donald Trump Never Tells The Truth
[ http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ ]
A fact checker finds 74 percent of his biggest claims are false, and none are entirely true.
11/23/2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-factcheck_565374b4e4b0d4093a58bf19 [with comments]
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Donald Trump's 'Sources' Are So Good, Only He Knows Who They Are
The Republican front-runner has a sure-fire response when his "facts" are challenged.
11/23/2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-sources_56537e7ae4b0d4093a58d078 [with embedded video report, and comments]
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The GOP is running out of time to find the anti-Trump
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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.
(Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images)
By Dana Milbank
November 23, 2015
Chris Christie was asked Sunday evening about presidential rival Donald Trump’s nonsense claim, reviving an Internet conspiracy theory, that thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheered the World Trade Center’s collapse in 2001.
The New Jersey governor’s reply was a paean to pusillanimity.
“I do not remember that, and so it’s not something that was part of my recollection,” he said. “I think if it had happened, I would remember it. But, you know, there could be things I forget, too.”
Presented with a malicious lie by the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, Christie courageously raised doubts — about his own memory.
Republican elites are panicky about the durable dominance of Trump (and to a lesser extent Ben Carson) in the presidential race. They are right to worry, but I don’t feel much sympathy. Trump is a problem of their own creation.
Trump gets ever more base in his bigotry — and yet, with few and intermittent exceptions, rival candidates, party leaders and GOP lawmakers decline to call him out. So he continues to rise, benefiting from tacit acceptance of his intolerance.
Or more than tacit. Carson, taking questions from reporters Monday afternoon, said that he, too, had seen nonexistent “newsreels” of the supposed cheering by New Jersey Muslims on 9/11. (His spokesman said later that Carson had been mistaken.)
For months — years, really — Republicans have averted their gaze from Trump’s attacks on women, Hispanics and immigrants. Now the racism becomes more overt — and still, he goes unchallenged.
On Saturday, a black demonstrator at a Trump rally in Birmingham, Ala., was kicked and punched by white men in the crowd after he fell to the ground and one of the men put his hands around the demonstrator’s neck as if to choke him. Trump’s response? Maybe the man “should have been roughed up,” he said Sunday.
A few hours later, Trump re-tweeted a graphic with invented statistics showing, falsely, that black people are responsible for most killings of white people. Disseminating this bogus graphic, which appears to have originated with neo-Nazis, followed a week in which Trump talked about forcing American Muslims to be registered in a database, putting mosques under surveillance and possibly closing them.
Yet no matter how far Trump goes, most of his competitors stay silent, or mild, or deferential.
When Trump talked about registering Muslims — a proposal that has Nazi echoes — the response was tame. Jeb Bush called the idea “abhorrent” — but he had just tried to out-Trump Trump by suggesting that only Christian refugees from Syria should be admitted. Carson said it would be a “dangerous precedent” — but he’s on record saying a Muslim shouldn’t be president and comparing some refugees to “rabid dogs.” Ted Cruz let it be known that “I’m not a fan of government registries of American citizens” but preceded this with “I’m a big fan of Donald Trump’s.”
Even when Trump left unchallenged a supporter at his campaign event who called Obama a Muslim and said Muslims are “a problem in this country,” most rivals declined to criticize Trump — who RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has called a “net positive” for the party.
Contrast that with the Democrats’ handling of David Bowers, the Democratic mayor of Roanoke, Va., who last week invoked the internment of Japanese Americans in his call to suspend the settlement of Syrian refugees in his area. Bowers was immediately booted from his spot on Hillary Clinton’s Virginia leadership team.
But the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination talks about the forced registration of Muslims. Republican leaders look away. And Trump surges in the polls, regaining the lead he had lost before the Paris attacks. For Republican leaders and rival candidates, these are the wages of cowardice.
Two months ago, after the second GOP debate, I saw signs that Republican hopefuls had begun to think it safe to take on Trump “consistently and jointly.” But that didn’t continue, and Republicans are now stuck with a collective-action problem. There’s no incentive for an individual Republican candidate to take on Trump only to get mowed down by his counterassault. Instead, some rivals are imitating Trump’s positions.
Republican officials say the fear of challenging Trump won’t subside unless a credible alternative to him emerges. But that will require more candidates to quit the race, and Republicans are running out of time. Voting begins in Iowa on Feb. 1, and, a month later, 16 states will have voted. By the end of March, 64 percent of Republican delegates will have been awarded.
The longer Republican leaders take to find their anti-Trump voices, the more their quiescence becomes an endorsement.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/23/how-trump-is-defining-deviancy-down-in-presidential-politics/
The knives are coming out for Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/23/the-insiders-the-knives-are-coming-out-for-trump/
© 2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-a-problem-of-the-gops-own-creation/2015/11/23/1fbcdf2c-9226-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html [with embedded videos, and comments]
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Trump stands by 9/11 lie as campaign takes dark turn
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/23/15
Rachel Maddow reports on developments within the Republican race for the 2016 presidential nomination, the most significant of which is front-runner Donald Trump's insistence on a lie about thousands of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. Duration: 18:35
©2015 NBCNews.com
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/trump-stands-by-9-11-lie-campaign-gets-ugly-573013059778 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-23-2015-trms (no comments yet)]
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Minoru Yasui, hero, to receive timely honor from White House
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/23/15
Rachel Maddow tells the story of civil rights activist Minoru Yasui, who resisted Japanese-American internment and curfews in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Yasui will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Tuesday. Duration: 4:26
©2015 NBCNews.com
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/minoru-yasui--historic-hero-for-our-times-573023299609 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-23-2015-trms (no comments yet)]
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Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'
Republican candidate endorses interrogation method that was scrapped by Bush administration because of torture concerns – and ineffectiveness
Ben Jacobs
Monday 23 November 2015 21.12 EST
Last modified on Monday 23 November 2015 23.51 EST
Donald Trump [ http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump ] touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.
Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.
Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”
The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.
Trump is not the first Republican candidate [ http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/28/carly-fiorina-endorses-waterboarding ] to endorse the use of waterboarding, which involves simulating drowning, in an attempt to elicit information from terror suspects.
Waterboarding was first used by the US in 2002 on an al-Qaida suspect, then on at least two other CIA detainees during the Bush administration, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden and mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was banned [ http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/cia-bans-water-.html ] by the Bush administration in 2006 as ineffective and potentially illegal.
Trump also doubled down on his unproven claim that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Trump insisted there were “tailgate-style celebrations” on rooftops in Jersey City, New Jersey, and said: “I saw it on television and I read about it on the internet.”
The author of the newspaper article that Trump has cited for that claim said on Monday that he does not remember any evidence of those celebrations.
The Republican frontrunner further reminisced about the terrorist attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 innocent people, saying that he watched them from his apartment. “I watched people jumping off the buildings,” Trump said. He also told attendees that he watched “the second plane come in [to the World Trade Center] and I said ‘Wow, that’s unbelievable’”.
Trump added that in his view 9/11 “was worse than Pearl Harbor because at least with Pearl Harbor they were attacking the military”. In addition to the two planes that flew into the World Trade Center in New York, a third flew into the Pentagon, killing 125 people there, and a fourth targeted at Washington DC crashed outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, after a struggle between the terrorists and passengers.
© 2015 Guardian News and Media Limited
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it [with embedded video, and comments]
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Donald Trump on waterboarding: ‘If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway.’
By Jenna Johnson
November 23, 2015
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Monday he not only would bring back waterboarding, the controversial interrogation technique discontinued by the Obama administration, but also would "approve more than that," even if such tactics prove ineffective.
"Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would — in a heartbeat," Trump said to loud cheers during a rally at a convention center here Monday night that attracted thousands. "And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work."
Trump said such techniques are needed to confront terrorists who "chop off our young people's heads" and "build these iron cages, and they'll put 20 people in them and they drop them in the ocean for 15 minutes and pull them up 15 minutes later."
"It works," Trump said over and over again. "Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing. It works."
At the rally Trump continued to claim he watched "fairly large numbers" of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 terrorist attacks, further circulating a story that was discredited by New Jersey officials years ago.
Trump has said his popularity has soared since the terrorist attacks in Paris earlier this month because voters want a president who will be tough on national security issues. Trump has been highly critical and skeptical of Muslims in recent days, and his loaded rhetoric continued at the rally on Monday night, drawing loud cheers.
"We have to really be vigilant with respect to the Muslim population," Trump said at one point, calling for heavy surveillance of mosques, among other efforts.
At a rally in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday morning, Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down." A number of New Jersey officials have said Trump's comment is based on a disproved rumor, but the candidate has repeatedly stood by his comment and continued to do so Monday evening.
"I saw people getting together and, in fairly large numbers, celebrating as the World Trade Center was coming down, killing thousands of people — thousands and thousands of people," Trump said at the rally on Monday. "I saw people, and I saw on television, and I read about it on the Internet, and I read about it."
In searching for evidence, Trump said one of his staff members came across a Washington Post article published a week after the 9/11 attacks that described FBI probes in northern New Jersey. The 15th paragraph of the article states that “law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.” Trump dramatically read this sentence aloud to the rally crowd as proof of the celebrations, even though such reports were never confirmed and video footage has yet to surface.
"Tailgate!" Trump said Monday. "Do you know what that means? Tailgate, that means football games, Ohio State, thousands of people in parking lots, on roofs. Tailgate is a lot of people. Tailgate is not two people."
Trump said he also received "phone calls in my office by the hundreds" along with a number of tweets from people he says also witnessed the celebrations.
"So, nobody believed me," Trump said. "Some people believed me. By the way: Thousands of people believed me because they saw it. But the media was going crazy."
Trump's rally took place on the home turf of one of his lower-polling rivals, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R). An airplane paid for by a pro-Kasich super PAC flew above the convention center where Trump held his rally, carrying this message: "Ohioans can't trust Trump." The group also released a statement accusing Trump of flip-flopping on foreign policy issues.
Trump opened the rally by leading the crowd in a chant: "O! H! I! O!" He then mocked the state's governor for his low poll numbers.
"Your governor is only 2 [percent] — what happened?" Trump said, citing a recent poll as the crowd booed. "What happened?"
Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges defended Kasich as "a very popular governor" with a high approval rating who has "turned the state around" and created thousands of jobs. Borges said candidates need to stay away from name-calling in Ohio, because the state is key to winning the general election. Borges attended the rally and, afterward, answered questions from reporters, including one who asked whether he would say that Trump's message aligns with the beliefs of the state party.
"I wouldn't," Borges said. "And I would say that we're going to have to work to be inclusive, we're going to have to work to keep this party held together. And when it's all said and done, if we don't carry Ohio, we don't win."
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Fact Checker: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/
© 2015 The Washington Post
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Five Black Lives Matter protesters shot in Minneapolis; police searching for white suspects
People warm themselves in front of the Minneapolis Police 4th Precinct on Nov. 24, 2015.
(Jeff Wheeler/Star Tribune via AP)
A demonstrator speaks about his encounter with attackers who were shooting at five protesters near the Minneapolis Police 4th Precinct earlier in the night.
(Jeff Wheeler/Star Tribune via AP)
By Alex Baumhardt, Lindsey Bever and Michael E. Miller
November 24, 2015
MINNEAPOLIS — Simmering racial tensions boiled over yet again when several men shot five people here who had been protesting the recent police killing of an African American man in Minneapolis.
Early Tuesday morning, protesters were still gathered outside the Minneapolis Police Department’s 4th Precinct, where demonstrators have stood each day since the Nov. 15 police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/17/unarmed-man-shot-by-minneapolis-police-over-the-weekend-has-died/ ]. Some prepared for another day, while others dozed in sleeping bags or lawn chairs.
The previous night, several gunshots rang out near the crowd. Police said on social media that five people suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds and that officers were searching for “3 white male suspects” who fled the scene.
A police spokesman confirmed to The Washington Post that those shot had been protesting outside the police station before the incident.
“Tonight, white supremacists attacked the ?#?4thPrecinctShutDown [ https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/4thprecinctshutdown ] in an act of domestic terrorism,” Black Lives Matter Minneapolis said on Facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterMinneapolis/posts/1012367852140341 ]. “We won’t be intimidated.”
Although Clark’s family called for an end to the protests following the shooting, Black Lives Matter Minneapolis vowed to return to the police station Tuesday for another demonstration.
Black Lives MPLS
@BlackLivesMpls
Wear all black tomorrow. 2pm at the precinct. We will not be intimidated. #4thPrecinctShutDown [ https://twitter.com/hashtag/4thPrecinctShutDown ]
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About 10:40 p.m., police responded to the scene, about one block from the police station. Soon, 911 calls started to pour in, police said.
A video from a journalist at the scene showed people fleeing from the shooting — then screaming for an ambulance. A young African American man was seen writhing in pain with an apparent gunshot wound to the leg while fellow protesters — then police and paramedics — tried to help.
Henry Habu, a nearby resident, told The Washington Post he was there during the shooting.
Habu said there were three men and a woman in ski masks who were filming the demonstrations. One witness reported seeing three men in masks; another reported one. Still, when protesters asked them who they were and why they were filming, Habu said, they deflected the questions.
Several people involved in the demonstrations — including a Black Lives Matter organizer and the NAACP Minneapolis chapter president — have called the alleged gunmen white supremacists. Authorities, however, have not confirmed those claims.
Habu said the outsiders appeared to fit the description of white supremacists whom protesters had been told to watch out for — those wearing masks or camouflage clothing. He said that at one point, those who were wearing masks walked away, and some protesters followed them.
“They tried to fight,” he said. “There was a scuffle.”
Carrie Brown and several other older members in the community said they tried to diffuse the situation.
“One of the white protesters who had been with us since the beginning said, ‘Be careful, those guys are white supremacists,'” Brown told The Post, referring to the three men and one woman in balaclavas. “We asked them to remove their masks, asked who they were, invited them to come and protest with us peacefully once they did that.”
“One of our young men reached out and touched one of them and said, ‘Oh he has a vest on’ like a bulletproof vest,” she added.
One witness, who did not want be named, was among those who followed the outsiders up the street.
“About midway down the block the group sort of thinned out and I said, ‘Maybe we should turn around, not make them feel like we’re all up on them,’ and the minute I turned around I heard four shots,” he told The Post. “One whizzed right by me. I was going to get down but then I just ran.”
Habu said shots rang out and he saw people disperse, running back to the demonstration camp.
Brown said she heard about 15 shots and, when she turned around, “four boys on the ground.” She said she tended to one who had been shot in the leg.
“He just kept saying, ‘Don’t leave me, don’t leave me,'” she said.
Several witness said police used pepper spray on those who were trying to help — apparently to get protesters away from the victims so that medical personnel could reach them. Brown said an officer put a gun to her face and told her to move back.
“I couldn’t move,” she said. “He [the gunshot victim] had his hands wrapped around me. They pried his hands off of me.”
Three victims were transported to North Memorial Medical Center, police said, and two others were transported to the Hennepin County Medical Center. Police described the injuries as non-life-threatening.
Nekima Levy-Pounds, president of the Minneapolis chapter of the NAACP, returned to the scene after the shooting incident.
“I am obviously appalled that white supremacists would open fire on nonviolent, peaceful protesters,” she told the Minneapolis Star Tribune [ http://www.startribune.com/police-searching-for-suspects-who-fired-into-crowd-at-blm-protest-outside-4th-precinct/353154811/ ].
Rep. Keith Ellison (D), who represents the area in Congress and has supported the demonstrators, spoke out about the shooting.
“I don’t want to perpetuate rumor,” he said, according to Minnesota Public Radio [ http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/11/24/fourth-precinct ]. “I’d rather just try to get the facts out. That’s a better way to go. I know there’s a lot of speculation as to who these people were. And they well could have been, I’m not trying to say they weren’t white supremacists. But I just haven’t been able to piece together enough information to say with any real clarity.”
The shooting occurred the night before the one-year anniversary of a Missouri grand jury’s decision [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html ] against indicting white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown. That decision helped reignite powerful frustrations about America’s policing of African Americans.
In Minneapolis, protesters have been camping out in front of the 4th Precinct since Nov. 15, when two Minneapolis police officers were involved in the contentious killing of Clark.
Authorities said officers were responding to a call for help from paramedics, who said Clark was interrupting their attempts to help an assault victim. Clark, who was unarmed, was also a suspect in the assault, police said.
“At some point during an altercation that ensued between the officers and the individual, an officer discharged his weapon, striking the individual,” the state Department of Public Safety said in a Nov. 17 statement.
Clark died in a hospital a day after being shot.
Even before his death, however, his shooting was already causing outrage. Several witnesses claimed that Clark was handcuffed at the time of the fatal shooting, although police claimed otherwise. The Minnesota Department of Public Safety’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is now investigating the shooting at the request of MPD.
As protests gained strength last week, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges (D) also asked the Justice Department to open a federal civil rights investigation into the shooting.
Both Black Lives Matter organizers and the Minneapolis NAACP have called on authorities to release video of the shooting.
But Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton (D) said Monday [ http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/11/23/gov-dayton-video-of-jamar-clark-shooting-is-inconclusive/ ] that video footage taken from an ambulance at the scene was inconclusive. Dayton, who met with protesters and Clark’s family on Saturday, said he has urged federal investigators to release the tapes as soon as possible.
Although largely peaceful, the demonstrations have been disrupted by several other incidents. More than 50 protesters were arrested [ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7551d0be537c445393cb378dd381d62a/latest-police-shooting-protesters-stay-outside-precinct ] on Nov. 16 after they shut down a highway. And on Friday, police announced they had arrested two men for spray-painting profanity [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/20/after-tense-night-calm-reigns-at-protests-in-minneapolis-over-jamar-clarks-death/ ] on the 4th Precinct’s walls.
After Monday night’s shooting, Clark’s family has thanked protesters for their “incredible support” but said demonstrations outside the police station should stop.
“Thank you to the community for the incredible support you have shown for our family in this difficult time,” Clark’s brother, Eddie Sutton, said in a statement. “We appreciate Black Lives Matter for holding it down and keeping the protests peaceful.
“But in light of tonight’s shootings, the family feels out of imminent concern for the safety of the occupiers, we must get the occupation of the 4th precinct ended onto the next step.”
DeResha Jackson, who grew up in Minneapolis and is now raising her children there, said she wants to see progress in the wake of Clark’s death.
“I don’t want my children to be subject to this. It’s difficult for me to have to explain or know how to explain all of this in a way that they can understand,” she said about the killing. “I don’t want my boys to go through what our black men go through.”
“My history and my child’s history shouldn’t be the same,” she added. “There should be some progress.”
Bever and Miller reported from Washington.
This story has been updated.
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Minneapolis police officers involved in shooting death of Jamar Clark are identified
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Outrage and little clarity in Minneapolis after black man is shot by police
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/16/outrage-and-little-clarity-in-minneapolis-after-black-man-is-shot-by-police/
© 2015 The Washington Post
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Western Washington University cancels classes as hate speech is investigated
Western Washington University suspended classes Tuesday, while an alleged incident of hate speech is investigated. The campus is shown here in a 2014 file photo.
(Greg Gilbert/The Seattle Times)
By Katherine Long
Originally published November 24, 2015 at 6:44 am | Updated November 24, 2015 at 10:28 am
Western Washington University suspended all classes Tuesday because of an alleged incident of hate speech targeting students of color.
In a message on the school’s website [ https://westerntoday.wwu.edu/news/from-president-shepard-western-is-suspending-all-classes-tuesday ] — and sent to members of WWU’s community via email — President Bruce Shepard said a law-enforcement investigation is under way.
University spokesman Paul Cocke said the threats were aimed at black students on campus, and came after some student leaders suggested that the school’s mascot, a viking, is racist and should be changed.
“More than anything else, it’s precautionary,” Cocke said of the decision to cancel classes today. He described the social-media posts as “hate speech directed at students of color” and said the school wanted to make sure they were safe.
He said Bellingham Police and Western’s own police department are investigating the posts.
President Shepard, in a recent blog post [ http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/27.shtml ], noted that issues surrounding the school’s mascot have arisen from time to time, and he welcomed discussion about it.
“Mascots matter,” he wrote.
In a long and nuanced post, he asked readers to consider this question: “Does a Eurocentric and male mascot point to the future we wish to embrace? Or to the past we would move beyond? And, is this, then, an image all can identify with?”
The announcement of Tuesday’s cancellation of classes is here in full:
“Yesterday, we observed social media being used for hate speech targeted at Western students of color. I need to be VERY clear here: we are not talking the merely insulting, rude, offensive commentary that trolls and various other lowlifes seem free to spew, willy nilly, although there has been plenty of that, too. No, this was hate speech.
“These are likely crimes in my view (and in the view of those in the criminal justice system we immediately involved). I cannot go into the details of an ongoing law enforcement investigation. Other than to assure you that this investigation is the highest priority of our campus law enforcement colleagues.
“We do not know if the perpetrators are Western students. If not, they face the criminal justice system. If so, they also face the criminal justice system. And, when it comes to being associated with Western, I promise you it will not be for long.
“Law enforcement has advised me of their assessment that, as the situation is currently understood, there is no threat to general campus safety. However, and I trust you stand with me on this: a threat to any one of us is an attack on all of us.
“We have welcomed the guidance of our students of color as to how else we might be supportive. We have mobilized to offer support and to provide protection to those specifically targeted by the hate speech. With disturbing social media content continuing through early this morning, students of color have advised me of their very genuine, entirely understandable, and heightened fear of being on campus.
“We need time to press the criminal investigation and to plan how, as a campus, we will come together to demonstrate our outrage, to listen to each other, and to support each other. So, I have decided to cancel classes today in order to provide that time.
“Have no doubt: this is not a capitulation to those I described as trolls and lowlifes. We are going after them. Rather, the pause is necessary so that we may learn more as we advance the law enforcement investigation and, together, plan responses that will make us stronger. In a phrase I often hear you use, it is because “Western Cares.”
“While classes are canceled, the university will continue to be open and operating.
“Thank you for being there for all who are Western.”
Copyright © 2015 The Seattle Times Company
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/western-washington-university-cancels-classes-as-hate-speech-is-investigated/ [with embedded video report, and comments]
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Mr. Trump’s Applause Lies
Donald Trump
Credit Brian Snyder/Reuters
Editorial
NOV. 24, 2015
America has just lived through another presidential campaign week dominated by Donald Trump’s racist lies [ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-gaining-strength-questionable-comments/story?id=35372912 ]. Here’s a partial list of false statements: The United States is about to take in 250,000 Syrian refugees; African-Americans are responsible for most white homicides; and during the 9/11 attacks, “thousands and thousands” of people in an unnamed “Arab” community in New Jersey “were cheering as that building was coming down.”
In the Republican field, Mr. Trump has distinguished himself as fastest to dive to the bottom. If it’s a lie too vile to utter aloud, count on Mr. Trump to say it, often. It wins him airtime, and retweets through the roof.
This phenomenon is in fact nothing new. Politicians targeting minorities, foreigners or women have always existed in the culture. And every generation or so, at least one demagogue surfaces to fan those flames.
Here’s Donald Trump on Sunday [ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-donald-trump-ben-carson/story?id=35336008 ]: “When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice. We have no idea who’s being sent in here. This could be the — it’s probably not, but it could be the great Trojan horse of all time, where they come in.”
Here’s Joseph McCarthy in 1950 [ http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6456 ]: “Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time, and ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down — they are truly down.”
Here’s Donald Trump last Tuesday [ https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-has-big-plans-1303117537878070.html ]: “We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”
Here’s George Wallace in 1963 [ http://www.npr.org/2013/01/14/169080969/segregation-forever-a-fiery-pledge-forgiven-but-not-forgotten ]: “We must redefine our heritage, re-school our thoughts in the lessons our forefathers knew so well, in order to function and to grow and to prosper. We can no longer hide our head in the sand and tell ourselves that the ideology of our free fathers is not being attacked and is not being threatened by another idea ... for it is.”
Mr. Trump relies on social media to spread his views. This is convenient because there’s no need to respond to questions about his fabrications. That makes it imperative that other forms of media challenge him.
Instead, as Mr. Trump stays at the top of the Republican field, it’s become a full-time job just running down falsehoods like the phony crime statistics he tweeted, which came from a white supremacist group.
Yet Mr. Trump is regularly rewarded with free TV time, where he talks right over anyone challenging him, and doubles down when called out on his lies.
This isn’t about shutting off Mr. Trump’s bullhorn. His right to spew nonsense is protected by the Constitution, but the public doesn’t need to swallow it. History teaches that failing to hold a demagogue to account is a dangerous act. It’s no easy task for journalists to interrupt Mr. Trump with the facts, but it’s an important one.
© 2015 The New York Times Company
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/mr-trumps-applause-lies.html
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note: this is part 3 of a 5-part post; part 2 is the post to which this is a reply, and part 4 follows as a reply to this post -- the following listing of "see also" links is the same in all 5 parts
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Published on Nov 12, 2015 by FOX 10 Phoenix [ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJg9wBPyKMNA5sRDnvzmkdg , http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJg9wBPyKMNA5sRDnvzmkdg/videos ]
Watch Donald Trump LIVE as he takes the stage at the Iowa Central Community College in Fort Dodge, IA on November 12, 2015.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6FrgMXcSs [with comments] [full-event livestream at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtNkth-omw4 (with {over 9,000} comments]; Trump's appearance only, slightly clipped at the start, also at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXOnna2jJw (with comments), and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TSbJInF4iQ (no comments yet)]
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Donald Trump begs Iowans not to believe Ben Carson: ‘Don’t be fools, okay?’
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What Trump looked like during his wild Iowa rant
By Jenna Johnson
November 13, 2015
FORT DODGE, Iowa — As Donald Trump took the stage in a community college theater on Thursday night, something was off.
The usually punctual executive was nearly 40 minutes late. His voice was hoarse, his hair mussed, his tone defensive. He promised to take questions from the audience but instead launched into a 95-minute-long rant that at times sounded like the monologue of a man grappling with why he is running for president — and if it's really worth it or not. Even for a candidate full of surprises, the speech was surprising.
He scoffed at those who have accused him of not understanding foreign policy, saying he knows more about Islamic State terrorists "than the generals do." He took credit for predicting the threat of Osama bin Laden and being right on the "anchor baby situation," a position he says "these great geniuses from Harvard Law School" now back. He uttered the word "crap" at least three times, and promised to "bomb the s---" out of oil fields benefiting terrorists. He signed a book for a guy in the audience and then tossed it back at him with a flip: "Here you go, baby. I love you."
Trump called Republican rival Carly Fiorina "Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is," accused Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton of playing the "woman's card" and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is "weak like a baby." He then devoted more than 10 minutes angrily attacking his chief rival, Ben Carson, saying the retired doctor has a "pathological disease" with no cure, similar to being a child molester.
"If I did the stuff he said he did, I wouldn't be here right now. It would have been over. It would have been over. It would have been totally over," Trump said. "And that's who's in second place. And I don't get it."
For months, Trump has defied the traditional rules of politics, saying and doing things that would end the presidential ambitions of most candidates — and often to the chagrin of Republican leaders who can't believe that a billionaire reality television star has built such a dedicated following and dominated the polls for so many months. As some waited for an implosion of Trump's improbable campaign, the Republican front-runner began to show much more composure and control on the campaign trail. During the latest debate, he largely refrained from attacking those on stage with him, instead focusing on the policy questions asked.
But Trump appeared to unravel on stage Thursday evening before a crowd of roughly 1,500 in Fort Dodge, a small industrial town 100 miles northwest of Des Moines. Many in the crowd were community college students who have never voted in a presidential election, along with teachers, local politicians and a number of farmers from the area. Rather than sticking to his usual, tidy 60 minutes, Trump kept going and going. Campaign staffers with microphones had planned to solicit questions from the audience, but instead stood waiting in the aisles, then sat for a while, then stood again at attention. Those standing on risers behind Trump — providing a backdrop of Iowan faces — eventually gave up and sat down in a falling cascade.
At first, the audience was quick to laugh at Trump's sharp insults and applaud his calls for better care for veterans, to replace the Affordable Care Act, and to construct a wall along the Mexican border. But as the speech dragged on, the applause came less often and grew softer. As Trump attacked Carson using deeply personal language, the audience grew quiet, a few shaking their heads. A man sitting in the back of the auditorium loudly gasped.
The tirade came amid one of Trump's busiest weeks yet on the campaign trail. Trump hosted "Saturday Night Live" last weekend and then spent Sunday doing interviews. Monday night he had a rally in Illinois. Tuesday night was the fourth GOP debate in Milwaukee. Wednesday morning, after about 90 minutes of sleep, Trump attended a breakfast in New Hampshire. Thursday he arrived in Iowa for a tour of a factory, television interviews and the rally at the community college.
Trump's tear started hours before the rally. On Twitter, he slammed Carson, "dopey Karl Rove" and the Wall Street Journal editorial board. In a CNN interview, Trump accused Rubio of supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants already in the country simply because he's Hispanic. A few of Trump's fans learned about the rally speech on Twitter and accused reporters of fabricating the quotes and tweeting them out in unison. Video later posted online showed that Trump indeed had said these things.
Trump opened the rally with a defense of his often-criticized proposal for dramatic immigration reform. He explained how other countries punish illegal border crossers: North Korea requires 12 years of hard labor, he said, while Afghanistan shoots people, and Canada assesses a fine of $5,000.
"If you cross the United States border illegally, you get a job, you get a drivers license … you get food stamps, you get a place to live, you get health care, housing, child benefits and in many cases education," Trump said. "You wonder why we're a debtor nation. You wonder why our country is going to hell."
Throughout the evening, Trump kept coming back to this point: The country is going to hell, and something must be done. And it was a message that the audience seemed to savor.
"We're in this thing together, folks. We've got to get out of it," Trump said at one point. And later: "We're just not going to take it any more."
Trump described traditional politicians as "stupid" and told the crowd that he is "competent." That's why he got so angry when journalists forced him to share his strategy for fighting the Islamic State, even though he wanted to keep such plans secret so as not to tip off the enemy, he said. Journalists, he said, are "scum" and "garbage."
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do," Trump said. "Believe me."
Trump said he would go after the oil fields in Iraq and Syria that he says nets the terrorist group "millions of dollars a week."
"I would bomb the s--- out of them," he said to raucous applause. "I would just bomb those suckers. And that's right: I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries. I would blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left."
The applause was nowhere near as strong as Trump launched into a lengthy critique of Carson, who is well-liked in Iowa and has at times beat Trump in polls here. The Iowa caucuses are often dominated by evangelicals, many of whom have been captivated by Carson, who talks endlessly about his faith.
Carson wrote in his autobiography that as a young man he had a "pathological temper" that caused him to violently attack others — going after his mother with a hammer and trying to stab a friend, only to have the blade stopped and broken by the friend's belt buckle. In recent days, those accounts have come under scrutiny, and Carson has had to clarify or correct some of the details.
Trump said Carson has a "pathological disease" with no cure, comparing it to the incurable mental conditions of child molesters.
"A child molester, there's no cure for that," Trump said. "If you're a child molester, there's no cure. They can't stop you. Pathological? There's no cure."
With his voice growing louder and louder, Trump questioned what sort of person would attack his mother. He questioned how a belt buckle could stop a blade, stepping away from the podium to demonstrate how such an attack might happen and how his own belt buckle wouldn't stay in place long enough to stop a knife.
"Anybody have a knife?" Trump asked the audience, which was screened by Secret Service agents who began protecting him this week. "You want to try it on me?"
Trump was flabbergasted: "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"
And Trump said he doesn't believe that after just a few hours of reflection, Carson found God and overcame his violent temper.
"He goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours, and he comes out, and now he's religious," Trump said. "And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn't happen that way. It doesn't happen that way. … Don't be fools, okay?"
Trump told the audience that while he might not be "a perfect Christian" like Carson, he has leadership abilities that Carson does not have.
"I know how to do it," Trump said of the presidency. "I really know how to do it."
After 95 minutes, Trump drew to a sudden but long-awaited end. Gripping the podium, he promised to unify the country and win. He also wondered aloud if he should just move to Iowa and buy a farm.
"I've really enjoyed being with you," Trump said. "It's sad in many ways because we're talking about so many negative topics, but in certain ways it's beautiful. It's beautiful."
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As challengers approach, a different Donald Trump emerges
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Trump's attacks on Carson turn personal
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With torrent of attacks, Donald Trump moves back into center of race
By Ed O'Keefe and Jenna Johnson
November 13, 2015
ORLANDO — Businessman Donald Trump — after weeks of bristling at rising challengers — has again seized center stage in the chaotic Republican nomination race, unleashing a torrent of personal and sometimes profane attacks that forced his rivals to respond and underscored his continued dominance.
Trump’s latest attention-grabbing comments came during a rally in northwestern Iowa late Thursday night. He called former technology executive Carly Fiorina “Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is” and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) was “weak like a baby.” Trump also accused retired surgeon Ben Carson of lying about his violent childhood and having a “pathological disease” with no cure, which he said is similar to being a child molester.
“How stupid are the people of Iowa?” Trump asked, marveling that Carson is polling nearly as well as he is despite providing autobiographical details that Trump says don’t make sense. “How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?”
Such comments could end presidential dreams for most candidates, yet for months Trump has defied the traditional rules of politics and continued to lead the pack. His endurance comes much to the chagrin of Republican leaders, who can’t believe that a billionaire reality-television star has built such a dedicated following and dominated the polls for so many months. There are also worries about the direction in which Trump is leading the party on immigration and other issues.
“We have a marketing problem,” Florida Republican Party Chairman Blaise Ingoglia told party colleagues during a two-day conference in Orlando that heard from Trump and Carson late Friday. Ingoglia said Republicans “need to be smart when it comes to elections. We need a lot more vision and a lot less vitriol in our own primaries.”
Carson responded to Trump’s attacks during a campaign stop in Greenville, S.C., and called on his rival to put aside “politics of personal destruction” and “deal with the real issues.”
“I’m hopeful that at some point we reach a level of maturity so that we can actually deal with the issues that are facing us right now, and we can stop getting into the mud,” Carson told reporters Friday on the campus of Bob Jones University ahead of a town hall event.
Later in the day, Carson sought to defuse the situation. When asked about Trump by reporters in Orlando, Carson said: “When I was a youngster, I used to get irritated by that kind of thing. ‘He said this about you. He said this about your mama.’ I’ve moved so much beyond that.”
If there was any question whether Trump meant what he said Thursday night, confirmation came Friday morning in a video posted on Instagram that showed a brief clip of Carson’s biographical claims being contradicted by a childhood friend, along with this message: “Violent criminal? Or pathological liar? We don’t need either as president.”
Others candidates quickly chimed in Friday. Rubio claimed he didn’t know the details of Trump’s comments, but he complimented Iowa Republicans: “I think the Iowa voters are some of the nicest, most informed voters in the country,” he said.
Bush, campaigning in Franklin, N.H., before traveling to Orlando, called Carson “the nicest guy. I think personal attacks aren’t going to cut it.”
Regarding Trump’s comments about Iowa voters, Bush said: “He better go back to the marketing department on that one. Look, I don’t get why he says what he says. Can’t help you on that.”
Fiorina posted a snarky response on Facebook that said, in part, “all the money in the world won’t make you as smart as Ben Carson.”
Responding to Trump often means becoming the victim of his backlash — which some candidates craving media attention welcome. Trump fired back at Fiorina in a series of tweets Friday afternoon, including this message: “Carly, whose campaign is dead, is making false statements about me in order to salvage hope! Sad.”
All of which leaves the question: Will Trump’s latest round of controversial comments turn off potential supporters?
Trump had been more controlled in recent weeks as he endured in the race, but he appeared to unravel onstage Thursday night at a community college in Fort Dodge, Iowa. At first, the audience was quick to laugh at Trump’s sharp insults, but the applause came less often and grew softer as the speech dragged on. The audience became quiet, with a few shaking their heads, after Trump’s attacks on Carson grew personal. A man sitting in the back of the auditorium loudly gasped.
The Iowa caucuses are often dominated by evangelicals, many of whom have been captivated by Carson, who talks frequently about his faith. As part of his critique of Carson’s autobiography, Trump said he doesn’t think that Carson was able to so quickly overcome his violent temper after finding God. Trump also mocked and pantomimed Carson’s claim that a youthful stabbing incident was stopped by a friend’s belt buckle.
“And the people of Iowa believe him,” Trump said. “Give me a break. It doesn’t happen that way. .?.?. Don’t be fools, okay?”
Carson and Trump have long attracted some of the same types of voters. Karen Dixon, 71, a homemaker who attended Carson’s event in South Carolina on Friday, said she once supported Trump but that his performance this week had changed her opinion. She would not rule out voting for him but is more drawn to Carson now.
“That brought him down in a mighty, mighty way,” Dixon said. “To get up on a stage in front of so many people and have no dignity for another human being, much less a fellow Republican — for him to do all that with his coat and belt, that was totally unpresidential, in my eyes.”
Carson fan Don Pendleton, 64, said Trump “has a real chance to win if he didn’t have the language he has. His language turns me off. Don’t call people ‘stupid,’ especially the Iowa voters.”
At the “Sunshine Summit” in Orlando on Friday, tone and inclusion — especially on issues such as immigration reform — were a subtle subtext of the party gathering in a state with a booming Hispanic population in the critical Central Florida corridor between Tampa and Orlando.
But Trump’s 20-minute speech in Orlando urging harsh immigration policies and other tough measures was warmly received. The crowd cheered wildly when he said that the border wall he wants to build “is going to be a real wall. It’s going to be a Trump wall.”
Bush and Rubio supporters were quick to predict that Trump’s comments would hurt his campaign.
“Somebody said to me recently that one of the reasons that they think Mr. Trump is doing so well is because he’s not a politician,” said Florida Rep. Colleen Burton (R), a longtime Bush supporter. “I said, ‘He is the consummate politician. He’s exactly what you don’t like about politicians: He’s saying what he thinks he knows people want to hear.’?”
In Iowa, Patrick Schaeffer, a Republican who lives in the Des Moines area, wasn’t too high on Trump before, but he said he considers him an embarrassment now. Schaeffer said if Trump becomes the GOP nominee and faces off against Hillary Rodham Clinton, he’ll probably stay home.
“I don’t appreciate what he said about Iowa voters,” said Schaeffer, 54, a facilities engineer with John Deere. “I’m ashamed that there’s no one better in the Republican Party.”
Johnson reported from Fort Dodge, Iowa. Philip Rucker in Greenville, S.C., and John Wagner in Des Moines contributed to this report.
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The pathetic Mr. Trump, whose sideshow campaign gets worse and worse
Small measures for a small man.
Editorial
Sunday, November 15, 2015, 4:05 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/editorial-pathetic-mr-trump-article-1.2434657 [with comments]
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Donald Trump, closing mosques and the massive political power of fear
By Amber Phillips
November 16, 2015
Americans and many around the world are feeling a lot less safe Monday morning than they did before the Paris attacks Friday. And perhaps nobody has been more willing and able to channel that fear and anxiety to his political benefit than Donald Trump.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" [ http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-we-must-watch-and-study-mosques-567563331864 , (for the moment at least at) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPGE6hh03h4 (next below; with comment)]
on Monday, the GOP front-runner said the United States needs to "watch and study" mosques and that he'd at least entertain the idea of closing some in America after the Paris attacks.
"Well, I would hate to do it, but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred — the absolute hatred — is coming from these areas," he said.
In case he gets blamed for saying something incongruent with the 1st Amendment, Trump added that closing mosques is "something that many people — not me — it's something that many people are considering and that many people are going to do." But still, the message from Trump here is clear: The world is a dangerous place, and the only way to stay safe is to elect a president who can protect — and to a large degree, insulate — America from it.
By playing up many Americans' fears — about national security, about economic security, about the world in general — Trump is trying to convince Americans he's just the guy to do that. And while others are certainly paying attention to fears of refugees — some Republican governors are now closing their borders to them — Trump has always been willing to take things a step further. The mosques are just the latest example.
And Monday wasn't even the first time he had suggested as a leading presidential candidate that we should maybe close mosques to keep Americans safe. In an October interview with Fox Business, he said this, according to The Washington Post's Sarah Pulliam Bailey [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/10/21/donald-trump-says-he-would-consider-closing-down-some-mosques-in-the-u-s/ ]:
Stuart Varney asked Trump whether, if elected president, would take similar action as the British government, which has revoked the passports of people of some and closed mosques.
“I would do that, absolutely; I think it’s great,” Trump responded. “If you go out, you go fight for ISIS, you can’t come back. Why can’t you do it? You can do it here.”
Varney asked, “Can you close a mosque? I mean, we do have religious freedom.”
“Well, I don’t know,” Trump said. “I mean, I haven’t heard about the closing of the mosque. It depends, if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear, I don’t know. You’re going to have to certainly look at it.”
Going back to Sept. 11, 2001, mosques have become a symbol of fear among many on the right — a physical manifestation of the fact that there are people in the world who claim to use a religious ideology as justification to commit terror against Americans. Some even view them as sanctuaries where attacks could be plotted.
Trump knows this. In 2010, the real estate mogul offered to buy [ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7993347/Donald-Trump-offers-to-purchase-site-of-Ground-Zero-mosque.html ] the the site of a planned Islamic community center near the fallen World Trade Center — with the condition that it be built five blocks away.
Talking about mosques in the wake of the Paris attacks is just the latest iteration of this kind of thing from Trump. He has often gone further on these matters than many other in his own party — and found a devoted base of people who eat it up.
In his June presidential launch, Trump hit a nerve on the right [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/13/donald-trumps-political-success-on-immigration-is-purely-accidental/ ] by saying many illegal Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals sent by the Mexican government.
Then, this summer, when a San Francisco woman was shot and killed, allegedly by an illegal immigrant, Trump talked about it repeatedly for a week. In fact, he's still talking about it: At a rally in Beaumont, Tex., on Saturday, Trump brought relatives of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage to share their stories.
When Obama announced that the U.S. will take in 10,000 Syrian refugees, Trump said he'd kick them all out when he got to the White House. Since then, he's used language describing the millions of refugees from the Middle East less as if they were people fleeing terrorism and a civil war and more as if they are people traveling to the West to commit terrorism.
In September, he wondered aloud [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/30/donald-trump-syrian-refugees-might-be-a-terrorist-army-in-disguise/ ] to New Hampshire voters whether the refugees might be a terrorist army in disguise: "They might be ISIS — I don't know." He's warned that accepting refugees "could be the greatest Trojan horse."
In his speeches, Trump also exponentially misstates the number of refugees the U.S. will accept, saying Obama has opened the U.S. to 250,000 instead of just 10,000. Here's what he said on Saturday, according to The Post's Jenna Johnson [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/ ]:
"And we all have heart, and we all want people taken care of and all of that, but with the problems our country has, to take in 250,000 people — some of whom are going to have problems, big problems — is just insane," he said. "You have to be insane. Terrible."
Trump isn't backing off his penchant for hyperbole, and he feels no urgency to; he still stands among the top of the polls in the GOP race. And the people who attended his Texas rally the day after Paris sounded incredibly afraid. Bolstering Trump's case and perhaps making his argument more attractive was news over the weekend that one of the attackers in Paris might have entered France via the migrant trail [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/attackers-possible-link-to-migrant-trail-heightens-security-fears.html ].
Here are a few of their comments about Syrian refugees, from Johnson:
• "I do not want them here — we don’t know who they are, we don’t know their history, we don’t know if they’re terrorists just being funneled through these other countries."
• "I think they’re wolves in sheeps’ clothing."
• "I don’t mind taking refugees who are Christian, but the Muslims scare me.”
Trump's refugees-might-be-dangerous lines have picked up so much momentum that President Obama felt compelled to push back against them in a news conference at the G-20 summit Monday in Turkey. While not mentioning Trump by name, Obama said, "Many of these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves. ... Slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values."
In Trump's "Morning Joe" interview Monday, host Mika Brzezinski asked Trump whether even suggesting closing mosques in America wouldn't contribute to anti-Muslim hatred that might be stewing after the Paris attacks.
"There's already hatred," he replied. "The hatred is incredible."
As is the fear back home. And Trump knows that.
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Donald Trump endorses tracking Muslims in US
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/19/15
Vaughn Hillyard, NBC News campaign embed, talks with Rachel Maddow about his specific questioning of Republican front-runner Donald Trump about his support for the idea of creating a national database of Muslims in the U.S. Duration: 12:58
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-endorses-tracking-muslims-in-us-570404931570 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-19-2015-trms (no comments yet)] [the above YouTube of the segment at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMDWs2RwbtY (with comment), another, slightly clipped at the beginning, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SNLHKUYoc (with comments)]
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FULL Speech HD: Donald Trump MASSIVE Rally in Birmingham, AL (11-21-15)
Published on Nov 21, 2015 by Right Side Broadcasting [ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHqC-yWZ1kri4YzwRSt6RGQ / http://www.youtube.com/user/rightsideradio , http://www.youtube.com/user/rightsideradio/videos ]
November 21, 2015: GOP Presidential candidate and front-runner Donald J. Trump held a campaign rally in Birmingham, AL and spoke to a crowd of tens of thousands at the Birmingham Jefferson Convention Complex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmPqV41bfC0 [with comments] [also at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvPoFo1zPY (with comments), and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKXP-GzY80E (no comments yet)]
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Black activist punched at Donald Trump rally in Birmingham
[note: this is the original version of this story, from the early morning hours of November 22, 2015; the rewritten and apparently final version of this story follows next below]
A protester is removed by security at a Donald Trump rally on Saturday in Birmingham, Ala.
(AP Photo/Eric Schultz)
By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan
November 22, 2015
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- A white man punched and attempted to choke a black protester who was thrown on the ground at a Donald Trump rally in Birmingham on Saturday morning, as an onlooker yelled, "Don't choke him! Don't choke him!"
The protester, identified by local media [ http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/black_protester_attacked_at_do.html ] as well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr., started shouting during Trump's speech and could be heard yelling, "Black lives matter!" A fight broke out around him, prompting Trump to briefly halt the rally and demand removal of Southall.
"Get him the hell out of here, will you please?" Trump said.
The crowd alternated between cheering and booing as security officers pushed their way through the crowd of several thousand. Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN [ http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/21/politics/trump-muslims-surveillance/index.html ]. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall's neck, and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: "Don't choke him!"
Southall has had many run-ins with the police and has even been arrested as he fights against what he says is unfair treatment of blacks.
Several bystanders were alarmed that Southall would be severely hurt, and the security officers quickly moved to get him off the ground and walk him out of the building. Meanwhile, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders recently responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onto the stage of one of his events.
"You see, he was politically correct," Trump said. "Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that's not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can't let that stuff happen."
The racially charged altercation happened in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights’ struggle, and led some to note that Trump’s supporters attending the rally were nearly all white in a city with a majority of black people. Trump critics and rivals have said that he is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said some of Trump's anti-Islam comments are "manipulating people's angst and their fears."
Sanders, in an address at Georgetown University last week, said of Trump: "People should not be using the political process to inject racism into the debate."
Before the fight broke out, Trump had already warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall! In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of murders committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of "certain mosques."
"I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are," Trump said. “I don't want the people from Syria coming in, because we don't know who they are. We don't know who they are. And I don't want them coming in."
Trump also said he watched as "thousands and thousands of people" cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on 9/11, which gave the impression that he was talking about Muslims being happy that so many Americans died. Officials have repeatedly debunked rumors that Muslims in New Jersey were celebrating the attacks at that time.
Up until this week, when protests erupted at Trump rallies reporters were free to venture into the crowd to witness and document what was happening. But starting on Wednesday, Trump's campaign manager began to forcefully block reporters from leaving a designated media area during Trump's speeches, restrictions that reporters have challenged. CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond attempted to watch the whole speech from the audience, allowing him to record the fight that broke out. But soon after, Trump's staff spotted him and forced him back into the media area they call "the pen." A Washington Post reporter in the crowd also witnessed part of the altercation.
From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening but could only see commotion in the sea of people, followed by at least two protesters being escorted out of the rally. As Diamond's video circulated on social media on Saturday night, some of Trump's most vocal supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters "thugs," "Dem plants" and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility the violence by attending the rally and accused Southall of starting the altercation. They also cast these protesters as violent extremists and pointed to media reports [ http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2015/11/protester_arrested_at_donald_t.html ] that one of the hecklers arrested at a Trump rally in Massachusetts a few days earlier had once been convicted of trying to bomb a Marine recruiting center.
Southall told the AL.com news site [ http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/black_protester_attacked_at_do.html ] that the commotion started as he started recording himself and other protesters, and saying he wanted "Donald Trump to know he's not welcome here." Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and called him a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.
On stage, Trump had been bragging about his high poll numbers, noting that rival Ben Carson is "dropping like a rock" in early polls and announcing that he's "winning big" in Alabama. Trump grew agitated as the commotion took up more and more of his rally time and reporters shifted their focus.
"You know, you have one guy over there shouting," Trump said. "We have thousands of people -- and you'll read about him tomorrow. They'll say: 'Oh, the room had a picket.' Get him the hell out of here, will you please?"
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Nine things that happened during Donald Trump's rally in Worcester
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/18/nine-things-that-happened-during-donald-trumps-visit-to-worcester/
© 2015 The Washington Post
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Trump on rally protester: ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’
[note: this is the rewritten and apparently final version of this story, from the afternoon of November 22, 2015; the original version of this story is just above]
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Trump to black activist: 'Get him the hell out of here'
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At a campaign event in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday, Nov. 21, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump demands the removal of a well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he shouts, "Black lives matter!" (Reuters)
By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan
November 22, 2015
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Donald Trump said Sunday that the protester who interrupted his rally at a convention center here on Saturday morning was “so obnoxious and so loud” that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”
Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall.
“Get him the hell out of here, will you, please?” Trump said on Saturday morning. “Get him out of here. Throw him out!”
At one point, Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN [ https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/668168739100172289 ]. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall’s neck and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: “Don’t choke him!”
As security officers got Southall on his feet and led him out of the building, he was repeatedly pushed and shoved by people in the crowd. The crowd alternated between booing and cheering. There were chants of “All lives matter!”
“Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,” Trump said on the Fox News Channel on Sunday morning. “I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a trouble-maker who was looking to make trouble.”
That was a change in tone from just a month ago, when Trump would regularly tell his audiences not to harm the protesters who often infiltrate his rallies.
“Don’t hurt ’em,” Trump said at a rally in Miami on Oct. 23 as pro-immigration activists were led out. “You can get ’em out, but don’t hurt ’em.”
The Republican front-runner has long made provocative statements a hallmark of his campaign. Critics and rivals have said that Trump is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said Trump’s comments about Islam are “manipulating people’s angst and their fears.”
Saturday’s racially charged altercation occurred in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights struggle. The thousands who attended Trump’s rally were nearly all white in a city with a black majority.
Southall told the AL.com news site that the commotion started as he began recording himself and other protesters at the rally and saying that he wanted “Donald Trump to know he’s not welcome here.” Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and made a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.
A swarm of security officers quickly made their way through the crowd of several thousand, got Southall off the ground and walked him out of the building. Trump has had Secret Service protection since Nov. 11, and those who attend his rallies and political events must now walk through metal detectors and have their bags searched.
“He was so obnoxious and so loud, he was screaming,” Trump recounted in the Fox News interview on Sunday. “I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people, and this guy started screaming by himself.”
As Southall was removed Saturday, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onstage during an event earlier this year.
“You see, he was politically correct,” Trump said. “Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that’s not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can’t let that stuff happen.”
Before the fight broke out, Trump had warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: “Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall!” In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of killings committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of “certain mosques.”
“I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are,” Trump said. “I don’t want the people from Syria coming in, because we don’t know who they are. We don’t know who they are. And I don’t want them coming in.”
Trump also said he watched as “thousands and thousands of people” in New Jersey cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, giving the impression that he was talking about Muslims living in the United States being happy that so many Americans died in the attacks. Officials have repeatedly debunked these rumors. Trump stood by his comments during an interview on ABC News on Sunday, saying that the cheers came from the “large Arab populations” in New Jersey.
“It did happen. I saw it,” Trump said. “It was on television. I saw it.”
From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening Saturday at the Trump event here in Birmingham. As CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond managed to make a video of the incident before Trump staff forced him back into the media pen. As the video circulated on social media that night, some of Trump’s supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters “thugs,” “Dem plants” and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility of violence by attending the rally.
Trump grew agitated as reporters shifted their focus to the protesters and away from him and his thousands of supporters.
“Look at those bloodsuckers back there,” Trump said. “They’re turned around, and they’re following the people, right? Because you have a small group of people that made some noise and are being thrown out on their ass. Right?”
The crowd roared with cheers.
Amber Phillips contributed to this report.
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Nine things that happened during Donald Trump's rally in Worcester
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Donald Trump Won't Rule Out Database Of Muslims
ASSOCIATED PRESS
He also said he doesn’t want to close mosques, he just wants to spy on them.
By Arthur Delaney
Posted: 11/22/2015 10:39 AM EST
WASHINGTON -- Professional entertainer and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump refused to rule out creating some kind of database for tracking Muslims in the United States.
George Stephanopoulos asked Trump on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday whether he would unequivocally rule out a database for "all Muslims" since Trump's position on the question has been a little unclear [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-backtracks-hard_564f70a1e4b0879a5b0aec29 ].
"No, not at all," Trump said. "I want a database for the refugees that -- if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees [ http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world/syrian-refugees.htm ] are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases."
To recap: Trump said he would not rule out a database "for all Muslims," but then talked about a database specifically for Syrian refugees. Refugees are already subject to a lengthy vetting process [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/refugee-screening-process-syrians_564b55ece4b045bf3df0ece7 ] that can last years, but the government doesn't necessarily track them [ http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees ] after they arrive.
Trump also said he supported torturing terrorism suspects via waterboarding and that he doesn't want to close mosques, just to spy on them.
And Stephanopoulos asked Trump about his questionable claim [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-syrian-muslims-surveillance.html ] that he saw thousands of people cheering when the World Trade Center fell on Sept. 11.
"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations."
Stephanopoulos repeatedly pointed out that police said it didn't happen.
Copyright © 2015 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-muslim-database_5651d3cfe4b0258edb31d879 [with comments]
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Fact Checker: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks
November 22, 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/ [with comments]
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Donald Trump Is Using False Statistics to Make a Racist Point
[ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 (with comments), http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10 (with comments)]
He tweeted a photo with completely made-up statistics about black crime.
11.22.15
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/22/donald-trump-is-using-false-statistics-to-make-a-racist-point.html
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We Found Where Donald Trump’s “Black Crimes” Graphic Came From
Straight out of the white supremacist fever swamp
By Charles Johnson
November 22, 2015
So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic:
[ https://twitter.com/SeanSean252/status/668516391364890624 (with comments)]
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"@SeanSean252 [ https://twitter.com/SeanSean252 ]: @WayneDupreeShow [ https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow ] @Rockprincess818 [ https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818 ] @CheriJacobus [ https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus ] pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN [ https://t.co/5GUwhhtvyN ( https://twitter.com/SeanSean252/status/668516391364890624 )]"
2:05 PM - 22 Nov 2015
[ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 (with comments)]
Not only is this racist, it’s completely false. These statistics are made up out of thin air, and the source — the “Crime Statistics Bureau” in San Francisco — simply does not exist.
Here are the actual statistics from a real source, the FBI:
Justin Miller
@justinjm1
Whites killed by blacks 15%
Whites killed by whites 82%
Blacks killed by blacks 91%
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls … https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/668520614697820160 …
2:53 PM - 22 Nov 2015
[ https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/668532837491081221 (with comments)]
So let’s recap. The leading candidate for the Republican Party’s nomination for president is tweeting absolute nonsense with a blatantly racist slant.
But where did this graphic come from? My first thought was that it must have originated at a white supremacist website like Stormfront, because it really is that bad. But neither Google Image search nor tineye.com [ http://tineye.com/ ] found it posted at any websites. Google Images did, however, find the earliest tweet in which this horrible racist image appeared:
pic.twitter.com/vGXcO5xCgk [ https://t.co/vGXcO5xCgk ( https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/status/668282032389230592 )]
— Non Dildo’d Goyim (@CheesedBrit [ https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/with_replies { https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit }]) November 22, 2015 [ https://twitter.com/CheesedBrit/status/668282032389230592 ]
(I saved a screenshot in case it suddenly goes missing.)
UPDATE: Sure enough, it went missing, so here’s that screenshot:
Here’s the bio of the person who posted it:
Notice that he’s an admirer of Hitler:
Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache.
And his avatar, that looks like a modified swastika, is the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Faith_Movement ].
So there you have it. Donald Trump is posting racist imagery that comes directly from neo-Nazis.
I hope you’re not surprised that a guy like Donald Trump, who continually spouts fascist rhetoric, is attracted to fascist memes posted by neo-Nazis. This is where the right wing has ended up in 2015.
(h/t: Backwoods_Sleuth)
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Donald Trump insults my son's memory: The mother of an American Muslim first responder who died on 9/11 answers the Republican frontrunner
The author with portraits of her son, in 2010.
Bebeto Matthews/AP
BY Talat Hamdani [ http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Talat-Hamdani ]
Monday, November 23, 2015, 12:01 PM
On Sept. 11, 2001, I lost my 23-year-old son, Mohammad Salman Hamdani, at the Twin Towers. He was a first responder and NYPD cadet who rushed down to rescue his fellow Americans — and gave the ultimate sacrifice.
He didn’t discriminate. He followed his heart, his humanity and his training to do his best to save those lives were in danger.
By contrast, across America today, we are witnessing the spectacle of politicians crassly exploiting the tragedies of Paris [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dead-explosions-shooting-reported-paris-article-1.2434381 ], Beirut and Russia for selfish political gains. Capitalizing on fear and the considerable ignorance about the Muslim faith among many of our citizens, they are in a rush to the bottom, driving a stampede of prejudicial proposals.
Quite the opposite of supporting their fellow Americans in a moment of crisis as my son did, many apparently see political gain to be had in selectively denying American Muslims their rights. If that weren’t ugly enough, many are equally ready to turn their backs on the finest American tradition of welcoming refugees fleeing violence, persecution and war.
Perhaps the worst of all is Donald Trump’s recent openness to the idea of having all Muslims registered in a database [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-supports-creating-database-u-s-muslims-article-1.2441178 ], along with his suggestion that it might be necessary to shut down mosques and force all who share my faith to carry a special ID card. This is not some fringe candidate; it is the Republican Party’s undisputed front-runner.
When others pushed back against these proposals for their obvious parallels to pre-war Nazi Germany, Trump did not back down. Instead, he further claimed this weekend that “thousands” of New Jersey Muslims cheered as the Twin Towers fell. He used this blatant lie to suggest the NYPD renew its spying program on local New York and New Jersey Muslims.
Let’s be clear here: By making such horrendous suggestions, Trump is generating fear and advocating hatred and violence against Muslims.
And sadly, he is not alone. Presidential aspirant Ben Carson has largely echoed Trump, while Sen. Marco Rubio has suggested that all Muslim gatherings are suspect and should be monitored. Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Jeb Bush meanwhile have suggested that Christian refugees should be given priority in entering the United States.
The President of the United States, like every member of Congress and every member of the armed forces, takes an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right of assembly and the right to be free from unlawful search are at the heart of our national identity.
To see politicians demonstrate contempt for our Constitution and advocate for policies with ugly precedents should outrage any citizen who has ever sworn that oath to the Constitution — as I did, when I became a citizen — and any American with a genuine respect for our most important values as a nation.
Perhaps more importantly, it should make clear that these politicians are unqualified to be President. Presidents take an oath to defend the Constitution.
On a personal level, I wonder whether any of these politicians has lost a child, a parent or a sibling in a terrorist attack. The pain of losing and burying your child is inexpressible. The feeling of incompleteness remains because my son Salman was a part of my body; every breath I take reminds me of him.
I wonder how, if he were alive today, he would respond to Donald Trump’s claims that “thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated his murder. I wonder what he would say to witness him and other vultures picking on the flesh of 9/11 and these other terrible tragedies.
No one needs to tell me that we live in dangerous and fearful times. I live with that every day that I mourn the loss of my son. At the same time, we must never lose sight of what it is that will lead us to prevail. We need to uphold our American identity. Ultimately, this conflict is about who we are. We have to uphold our values. This may be hardest in tough times, but that is also when it is most important.
If we are truly to lead a successful struggle to address the threat posed to us all by violent extremists, if we are truly to be the leader of the world, then we cannot abandon our creed of advocating liberty and justice for all.
Hamdani, a Pakistan-born American citizen, lost her son in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. She lives in New York.
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© Copyright 2015 NYDailyNews.com
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Heard a Jewish joke lately? I did — in the Hudson Valley
In New York City, we tend to get along.
Debbie Egan-Chin, New York Daily News
BY Candy Schulman [ http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Candy-Schulman ]
Friday, October 16, 2015, 12:34 PM
"This Jew goes into the army," a voice boomed.
He was sitting catty-corner to my husband and me. We were having lunch in the Hudson Valley, after a nature hike. Curiously we listened, an unwilling audience hearing a racist riddle unfold.
"The sergeant hands out tools, and gives the Jew a shovel," the man projected. He was in his 40s with short brown hair, dressed in a well-worn tee shirt and jeans. "The Jew asks if they have one with a motor. The officer says, 'Did you ever see a shovel with a motor?' And the Jew replies, 'Did you ever see a Jew with a shovel?'" (Get it? It plays on the old dumb stereotype that Jews won't break a sweat, will always pay others to do things for them.)
"He told the joke for our benefit," my husband whispered.
"You're being paranoid," I insisted.
"Did you hear how loudly he spoke?"
"Maybe it's just a coincidence," I hoped.
I was born in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, amid tribesmen (Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed), Italians and Irish. We not only co-existed, but became friends. No one would have told a demeaning joke about each other. Occasionally I heard landsmen ridicule themselves. Yet I'd never heard an anti-Semitic joke bellow through a crowded restaurant.
Whether it was because he recognized us as "the other," his words were alarming. Yet he laughed heartily and sipped his coffee, before explaining the punchline to the stumped white-haired octogenarian across from him, probably his grandmother.
We sometimes forget how immune we are to prejudice in New York City. I raised my daughter in a melting pot of Hare Krishnas to transgenders. I sent her to a Quaker school, where truths are "deepened by welcoming people with diverse experiences of the world into our community." She baked cupcakes for LGBT fund-raisers.
In college, she watched a Jewish friend teach her Christian roommate to write her name in Hebrew. Her 26-year-old boyfriend stormed through the dorm, yelling, "I'll kill anyone who makes my girlfriend into a Jew." Police barred him from campus.
Decades earlier, I migrated from Brooklyn to Ohio. My mother examined the nametags on every door in my dorm, worried I was outnumbered. That night a dozen girls huddled over the three Jewish freshmen in the lounge, demanding, "Where are your horns?"
Away from small towns and farms for the first time, they'd never met a Jew. Now there were three, sharing their bathroom. The heckling continued. I didn't want to follow my ancestors, fleeing for safety in numbers with "their own kind." But I was 17, as apprehensive of the unknown as my dorm-mates. We moved to Taylor Tower, nicknamed Taylor Temple because of how many residents had been bat mitzvahed. Our own shtetl. This taught me more about the world than any history class.
And here it was again. Driving home, I texted my friend, child of Holocaust survivors. "Did you confront the joke teller?" she asked.
A half-Jewish friend agreed, remarking, "You got a good joke out of it, and a reminder of how much we're hated."
Although I could see the joke's humor, I felt uncomfortable laughing — especially because anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. and Europe rose 38% in 2014, "one of the worst years in the last decade" according to a startling study by Tel Aviv University Kantor Center for the Study of Contemporary European Jewry.
Jews feel safer settling into liberal enclaves. But when we edge further into the world, we must be ready for unsuspected jolts of anti-Semitism. My daughter left to study in Paris the day after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. My instinct was to warn her not to volunteer her heritage unless asked, even though it was wrong to hide. Her Catholic host mother offered to remove the cross above her new bed. They shared after-church dinners on Sundays, and she bought them their first challah from a bakery in the old Jewish quarter.
"It's not the Parisians who are anti-Semitic," a Moroccan neighbor assured me. "They have five million Muslims to hate now," she claimed, France's second-largest ethnic group.
I did not find solace in anyone hating someone even more than Jews. This won't console me the next time I hear a disparaging joke about my people. Nor will I be surprised.
Schulman is a writer in New York.
© Copyright 2015 NYDailyNews.com
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/candy-schulman-heard-jewish-joke-article-1.2400104 [with comments]
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Chris Christie Tiptoes Around Donald Trump’s 9/11 Lie
So much for ‘Telling It Like It Is.’ Asked about the GOP front-runner’s false claim that thousands of Muslims in Jersey City cheered the attacks, the governor decided to punt.
11.23.15
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/23/chris-christie-tiptoes-around-donald-trump-s-9-11-lie.html
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Here's Why It Seems Like Donald Trump Never Tells The Truth
[ http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ ]
A fact checker finds 74 percent of his biggest claims are false, and none are entirely true.
11/23/2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-factcheck_565374b4e4b0d4093a58bf19 [with comments]
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Donald Trump's 'Sources' Are So Good, Only He Knows Who They Are
The Republican front-runner has a sure-fire response when his "facts" are challenged.
11/23/2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-sources_56537e7ae4b0d4093a58d078 [with embedded video report, and comments]
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The GOP is running out of time to find the anti-Trump
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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.
(Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images)
By Dana Milbank
November 23, 2015
Chris Christie was asked Sunday evening about presidential rival Donald Trump’s nonsense claim, reviving an Internet conspiracy theory, that thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheered the World Trade Center’s collapse in 2001.
The New Jersey governor’s reply was a paean to pusillanimity.
“I do not remember that, and so it’s not something that was part of my recollection,” he said. “I think if it had happened, I would remember it. But, you know, there could be things I forget, too.”
Presented with a malicious lie by the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, Christie courageously raised doubts — about his own memory.
Republican elites are panicky about the durable dominance of Trump (and to a lesser extent Ben Carson) in the presidential race. They are right to worry, but I don’t feel much sympathy. Trump is a problem of their own creation.
Trump gets ever more base in his bigotry — and yet, with few and intermittent exceptions, rival candidates, party leaders and GOP lawmakers decline to call him out. So he continues to rise, benefiting from tacit acceptance of his intolerance.
Or more than tacit. Carson, taking questions from reporters Monday afternoon, said that he, too, had seen nonexistent “newsreels” of the supposed cheering by New Jersey Muslims on 9/11. (His spokesman said later that Carson had been mistaken.)
For months — years, really — Republicans have averted their gaze from Trump’s attacks on women, Hispanics and immigrants. Now the racism becomes more overt — and still, he goes unchallenged.
On Saturday, a black demonstrator at a Trump rally in Birmingham, Ala., was kicked and punched by white men in the crowd after he fell to the ground and one of the men put his hands around the demonstrator’s neck as if to choke him. Trump’s response? Maybe the man “should have been roughed up,” he said Sunday.
A few hours later, Trump re-tweeted a graphic with invented statistics showing, falsely, that black people are responsible for most killings of white people. Disseminating this bogus graphic, which appears to have originated with neo-Nazis, followed a week in which Trump talked about forcing American Muslims to be registered in a database, putting mosques under surveillance and possibly closing them.
Yet no matter how far Trump goes, most of his competitors stay silent, or mild, or deferential.
When Trump talked about registering Muslims — a proposal that has Nazi echoes — the response was tame. Jeb Bush called the idea “abhorrent” — but he had just tried to out-Trump Trump by suggesting that only Christian refugees from Syria should be admitted. Carson said it would be a “dangerous precedent” — but he’s on record saying a Muslim shouldn’t be president and comparing some refugees to “rabid dogs.” Ted Cruz let it be known that “I’m not a fan of government registries of American citizens” but preceded this with “I’m a big fan of Donald Trump’s.”
Even when Trump left unchallenged a supporter at his campaign event who called Obama a Muslim and said Muslims are “a problem in this country,” most rivals declined to criticize Trump — who RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has called a “net positive” for the party.
Contrast that with the Democrats’ handling of David Bowers, the Democratic mayor of Roanoke, Va., who last week invoked the internment of Japanese Americans in his call to suspend the settlement of Syrian refugees in his area. Bowers was immediately booted from his spot on Hillary Clinton’s Virginia leadership team.
But the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination talks about the forced registration of Muslims. Republican leaders look away. And Trump surges in the polls, regaining the lead he had lost before the Paris attacks. For Republican leaders and rival candidates, these are the wages of cowardice.
Two months ago, after the second GOP debate, I saw signs that Republican hopefuls had begun to think it safe to take on Trump “consistently and jointly.” But that didn’t continue, and Republicans are now stuck with a collective-action problem. There’s no incentive for an individual Republican candidate to take on Trump only to get mowed down by his counterassault. Instead, some rivals are imitating Trump’s positions.
Republican officials say the fear of challenging Trump won’t subside unless a credible alternative to him emerges. But that will require more candidates to quit the race, and Republicans are running out of time. Voting begins in Iowa on Feb. 1, and, a month later, 16 states will have voted. By the end of March, 64 percent of Republican delegates will have been awarded.
The longer Republican leaders take to find their anti-Trump voices, the more their quiescence becomes an endorsement.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-a-problem-of-the-gops-own-creation/2015/11/23/1fbcdf2c-9226-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html
Four theories on why Donald Trump’s many falsehoods aren’t hurting him
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/23/4-theories-why-people-give-donald-trump-a-pass-for-saying-things-that-just-arent-true
Donald Trump and 21st-century McCarthyism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/23/donald-trump-and-21st-century-mccarthyism/
How Trump is “defining deviancy” down
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/23/how-trump-is-defining-deviancy-down-in-presidential-politics/
The knives are coming out for Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/23/the-insiders-the-knives-are-coming-out-for-trump/
© 2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-a-problem-of-the-gops-own-creation/2015/11/23/1fbcdf2c-9226-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html [with embedded videos, and comments]
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Trump stands by 9/11 lie as campaign takes dark turn
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/23/15
Rachel Maddow reports on developments within the Republican race for the 2016 presidential nomination, the most significant of which is front-runner Donald Trump's insistence on a lie about thousands of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. Duration: 18:35
©2015 NBCNews.com
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/trump-stands-by-9-11-lie-campaign-gets-ugly-573013059778 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-23-2015-trms (no comments yet)]
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Minoru Yasui, hero, to receive timely honor from White House
The Rachel Maddow Show
11/23/15
Rachel Maddow tells the story of civil rights activist Minoru Yasui, who resisted Japanese-American internment and curfews in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Yasui will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Tuesday. Duration: 4:26
©2015 NBCNews.com
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/minoru-yasui--historic-hero-for-our-times-573023299609 [with comments] [show links at http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-november-23-2015-trms (no comments yet)]
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Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'
Republican candidate endorses interrogation method that was scrapped by Bush administration because of torture concerns – and ineffectiveness
Ben Jacobs
Monday 23 November 2015 21.12 EST
Last modified on Monday 23 November 2015 23.51 EST
Donald Trump [ http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump ] touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.
Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.
Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”
The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.
Trump is not the first Republican candidate [ http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/28/carly-fiorina-endorses-waterboarding ] to endorse the use of waterboarding, which involves simulating drowning, in an attempt to elicit information from terror suspects.
Waterboarding was first used by the US in 2002 on an al-Qaida suspect, then on at least two other CIA detainees during the Bush administration, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden and mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was banned [ http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/cia-bans-water-.html ] by the Bush administration in 2006 as ineffective and potentially illegal.
Trump also doubled down on his unproven claim that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Trump insisted there were “tailgate-style celebrations” on rooftops in Jersey City, New Jersey, and said: “I saw it on television and I read about it on the internet.”
The author of the newspaper article that Trump has cited for that claim said on Monday that he does not remember any evidence of those celebrations.
The Republican frontrunner further reminisced about the terrorist attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 innocent people, saying that he watched them from his apartment. “I watched people jumping off the buildings,” Trump said. He also told attendees that he watched “the second plane come in [to the World Trade Center] and I said ‘Wow, that’s unbelievable’”.
Trump added that in his view 9/11 “was worse than Pearl Harbor because at least with Pearl Harbor they were attacking the military”. In addition to the two planes that flew into the World Trade Center in New York, a third flew into the Pentagon, killing 125 people there, and a fourth targeted at Washington DC crashed outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, after a struggle between the terrorists and passengers.
© 2015 Guardian News and Media Limited
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it [with embedded video, and comments]
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Donald Trump on waterboarding: ‘If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway.’
By Jenna Johnson
November 23, 2015
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Monday he not only would bring back waterboarding, the controversial interrogation technique discontinued by the Obama administration, but also would "approve more than that," even if such tactics prove ineffective.
"Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would — in a heartbeat," Trump said to loud cheers during a rally at a convention center here Monday night that attracted thousands. "And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work."
Trump said such techniques are needed to confront terrorists who "chop off our young people's heads" and "build these iron cages, and they'll put 20 people in them and they drop them in the ocean for 15 minutes and pull them up 15 minutes later."
"It works," Trump said over and over again. "Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing. It works."
At the rally Trump continued to claim he watched "fairly large numbers" of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 terrorist attacks, further circulating a story that was discredited by New Jersey officials years ago.
Trump has said his popularity has soared since the terrorist attacks in Paris earlier this month because voters want a president who will be tough on national security issues. Trump has been highly critical and skeptical of Muslims in recent days, and his loaded rhetoric continued at the rally on Monday night, drawing loud cheers.
"We have to really be vigilant with respect to the Muslim population," Trump said at one point, calling for heavy surveillance of mosques, among other efforts.
At a rally in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday morning, Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down." A number of New Jersey officials have said Trump's comment is based on a disproved rumor, but the candidate has repeatedly stood by his comment and continued to do so Monday evening.
"I saw people getting together and, in fairly large numbers, celebrating as the World Trade Center was coming down, killing thousands of people — thousands and thousands of people," Trump said at the rally on Monday. "I saw people, and I saw on television, and I read about it on the Internet, and I read about it."
In searching for evidence, Trump said one of his staff members came across a Washington Post article published a week after the 9/11 attacks that described FBI probes in northern New Jersey. The 15th paragraph of the article states that “law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.” Trump dramatically read this sentence aloud to the rally crowd as proof of the celebrations, even though such reports were never confirmed and video footage has yet to surface.
"Tailgate!" Trump said Monday. "Do you know what that means? Tailgate, that means football games, Ohio State, thousands of people in parking lots, on roofs. Tailgate is a lot of people. Tailgate is not two people."
Trump said he also received "phone calls in my office by the hundreds" along with a number of tweets from people he says also witnessed the celebrations.
"So, nobody believed me," Trump said. "Some people believed me. By the way: Thousands of people believed me because they saw it. But the media was going crazy."
Trump's rally took place on the home turf of one of his lower-polling rivals, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R). An airplane paid for by a pro-Kasich super PAC flew above the convention center where Trump held his rally, carrying this message: "Ohioans can't trust Trump." The group also released a statement accusing Trump of flip-flopping on foreign policy issues.
Trump opened the rally by leading the crowd in a chant: "O! H! I! O!" He then mocked the state's governor for his low poll numbers.
"Your governor is only 2 [percent] — what happened?" Trump said, citing a recent poll as the crowd booed. "What happened?"
Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges defended Kasich as "a very popular governor" with a high approval rating who has "turned the state around" and created thousands of jobs. Borges said candidates need to stay away from name-calling in Ohio, because the state is key to winning the general election. Borges attended the rally and, afterward, answered questions from reporters, including one who asked whether he would say that Trump's message aligns with the beliefs of the state party.
"I wouldn't," Borges said. "And I would say that we're going to have to work to be inclusive, we're going to have to work to keep this party held together. And when it's all said and done, if we don't carry Ohio, we don't win."
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VIDEO: Donald Trump is wrong about 9/11. Here's why that doesn't matter.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/donald-trump-is-wrong-about-911-heres-why-that-doesnt-matter/2015/11/23/0e6dcc32-9211-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_video.html
Fact Checker: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/
© 2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/23/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it-anyway/ [with embedded videos, and comments]
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Five Black Lives Matter protesters shot in Minneapolis; police searching for white suspects
People warm themselves in front of the Minneapolis Police 4th Precinct on Nov. 24, 2015.
(Jeff Wheeler/Star Tribune via AP)
A demonstrator speaks about his encounter with attackers who were shooting at five protesters near the Minneapolis Police 4th Precinct earlier in the night.
(Jeff Wheeler/Star Tribune via AP)
By Alex Baumhardt, Lindsey Bever and Michael E. Miller
November 24, 2015
MINNEAPOLIS — Simmering racial tensions boiled over yet again when several men shot five people here who had been protesting the recent police killing of an African American man in Minneapolis.
Early Tuesday morning, protesters were still gathered outside the Minneapolis Police Department’s 4th Precinct, where demonstrators have stood each day since the Nov. 15 police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/17/unarmed-man-shot-by-minneapolis-police-over-the-weekend-has-died/ ]. Some prepared for another day, while others dozed in sleeping bags or lawn chairs.
The previous night, several gunshots rang out near the crowd. Police said on social media that five people suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds and that officers were searching for “3 white male suspects” who fled the scene.
A police spokesman confirmed to The Washington Post that those shot had been protesting outside the police station before the incident.
“Tonight, white supremacists attacked the ?#?4thPrecinctShutDown [ https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/4thprecinctshutdown ] in an act of domestic terrorism,” Black Lives Matter Minneapolis said on Facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterMinneapolis/posts/1012367852140341 ]. “We won’t be intimidated.”
Although Clark’s family called for an end to the protests following the shooting, Black Lives Matter Minneapolis vowed to return to the police station Tuesday for another demonstration.
Black Lives MPLS
@BlackLivesMpls
Wear all black tomorrow. 2pm at the precinct. We will not be intimidated. #4thPrecinctShutDown [ https://twitter.com/hashtag/4thPrecinctShutDown ]
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About 10:40 p.m., police responded to the scene, about one block from the police station. Soon, 911 calls started to pour in, police said.
A video from a journalist at the scene showed people fleeing from the shooting — then screaming for an ambulance. A young African American man was seen writhing in pain with an apparent gunshot wound to the leg while fellow protesters — then police and paramedics — tried to help.
Henry Habu, a nearby resident, told The Washington Post he was there during the shooting.
Habu said there were three men and a woman in ski masks who were filming the demonstrations. One witness reported seeing three men in masks; another reported one. Still, when protesters asked them who they were and why they were filming, Habu said, they deflected the questions.
Several people involved in the demonstrations — including a Black Lives Matter organizer and the NAACP Minneapolis chapter president — have called the alleged gunmen white supremacists. Authorities, however, have not confirmed those claims.
Habu said the outsiders appeared to fit the description of white supremacists whom protesters had been told to watch out for — those wearing masks or camouflage clothing. He said that at one point, those who were wearing masks walked away, and some protesters followed them.
“They tried to fight,” he said. “There was a scuffle.”
Carrie Brown and several other older members in the community said they tried to diffuse the situation.
“One of the white protesters who had been with us since the beginning said, ‘Be careful, those guys are white supremacists,'” Brown told The Post, referring to the three men and one woman in balaclavas. “We asked them to remove their masks, asked who they were, invited them to come and protest with us peacefully once they did that.”
“One of our young men reached out and touched one of them and said, ‘Oh he has a vest on’ like a bulletproof vest,” she added.
One witness, who did not want be named, was among those who followed the outsiders up the street.
“About midway down the block the group sort of thinned out and I said, ‘Maybe we should turn around, not make them feel like we’re all up on them,’ and the minute I turned around I heard four shots,” he told The Post. “One whizzed right by me. I was going to get down but then I just ran.”
Habu said shots rang out and he saw people disperse, running back to the demonstration camp.
Brown said she heard about 15 shots and, when she turned around, “four boys on the ground.” She said she tended to one who had been shot in the leg.
“He just kept saying, ‘Don’t leave me, don’t leave me,'” she said.
Several witness said police used pepper spray on those who were trying to help — apparently to get protesters away from the victims so that medical personnel could reach them. Brown said an officer put a gun to her face and told her to move back.
“I couldn’t move,” she said. “He [the gunshot victim] had his hands wrapped around me. They pried his hands off of me.”
Three victims were transported to North Memorial Medical Center, police said, and two others were transported to the Hennepin County Medical Center. Police described the injuries as non-life-threatening.
Nekima Levy-Pounds, president of the Minneapolis chapter of the NAACP, returned to the scene after the shooting incident.
“I am obviously appalled that white supremacists would open fire on nonviolent, peaceful protesters,” she told the Minneapolis Star Tribune [ http://www.startribune.com/police-searching-for-suspects-who-fired-into-crowd-at-blm-protest-outside-4th-precinct/353154811/ ].
Rep. Keith Ellison (D), who represents the area in Congress and has supported the demonstrators, spoke out about the shooting.
“I don’t want to perpetuate rumor,” he said, according to Minnesota Public Radio [ http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/11/24/fourth-precinct ]. “I’d rather just try to get the facts out. That’s a better way to go. I know there’s a lot of speculation as to who these people were. And they well could have been, I’m not trying to say they weren’t white supremacists. But I just haven’t been able to piece together enough information to say with any real clarity.”
The shooting occurred the night before the one-year anniversary of a Missouri grand jury’s decision [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html ] against indicting white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown. That decision helped reignite powerful frustrations about America’s policing of African Americans.
In Minneapolis, protesters have been camping out in front of the 4th Precinct since Nov. 15, when two Minneapolis police officers were involved in the contentious killing of Clark.
Authorities said officers were responding to a call for help from paramedics, who said Clark was interrupting their attempts to help an assault victim. Clark, who was unarmed, was also a suspect in the assault, police said.
“At some point during an altercation that ensued between the officers and the individual, an officer discharged his weapon, striking the individual,” the state Department of Public Safety said in a Nov. 17 statement.
Clark died in a hospital a day after being shot.
Even before his death, however, his shooting was already causing outrage. Several witnesses claimed that Clark was handcuffed at the time of the fatal shooting, although police claimed otherwise. The Minnesota Department of Public Safety’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is now investigating the shooting at the request of MPD.
As protests gained strength last week, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges (D) also asked the Justice Department to open a federal civil rights investigation into the shooting.
Both Black Lives Matter organizers and the Minneapolis NAACP have called on authorities to release video of the shooting.
But Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton (D) said Monday [ http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/11/23/gov-dayton-video-of-jamar-clark-shooting-is-inconclusive/ ] that video footage taken from an ambulance at the scene was inconclusive. Dayton, who met with protesters and Clark’s family on Saturday, said he has urged federal investigators to release the tapes as soon as possible.
Although largely peaceful, the demonstrations have been disrupted by several other incidents. More than 50 protesters were arrested [ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7551d0be537c445393cb378dd381d62a/latest-police-shooting-protesters-stay-outside-precinct ] on Nov. 16 after they shut down a highway. And on Friday, police announced they had arrested two men for spray-painting profanity [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/20/after-tense-night-calm-reigns-at-protests-in-minneapolis-over-jamar-clarks-death/ ] on the 4th Precinct’s walls.
After Monday night’s shooting, Clark’s family has thanked protesters for their “incredible support” but said demonstrations outside the police station should stop.
“Thank you to the community for the incredible support you have shown for our family in this difficult time,” Clark’s brother, Eddie Sutton, said in a statement. “We appreciate Black Lives Matter for holding it down and keeping the protests peaceful.
“But in light of tonight’s shootings, the family feels out of imminent concern for the safety of the occupiers, we must get the occupation of the 4th precinct ended onto the next step.”
DeResha Jackson, who grew up in Minneapolis and is now raising her children there, said she wants to see progress in the wake of Clark’s death.
“I don’t want my children to be subject to this. It’s difficult for me to have to explain or know how to explain all of this in a way that they can understand,” she said about the killing. “I don’t want my boys to go through what our black men go through.”
“My history and my child’s history shouldn’t be the same,” she added. “There should be some progress.”
Bever and Miller reported from Washington.
This story has been updated.
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Minneapolis police officers involved in shooting death of Jamar Clark are identified
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/18/minneapolis-police-officers-involved-in-shooting-death-of-jamar-clark-are-identified/
Outrage and little clarity in Minneapolis after black man is shot by police
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/16/outrage-and-little-clarity-in-minneapolis-after-black-man-is-shot-by-police/
© 2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/five-people-shot-near-minneapolis-protest-cops-searching-for-3-white-male-suspects/ [with embedded video, and comments]
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Western Washington University cancels classes as hate speech is investigated
Western Washington University suspended classes Tuesday, while an alleged incident of hate speech is investigated. The campus is shown here in a 2014 file photo.
(Greg Gilbert/The Seattle Times)
By Katherine Long
Originally published November 24, 2015 at 6:44 am | Updated November 24, 2015 at 10:28 am
Western Washington University suspended all classes Tuesday because of an alleged incident of hate speech targeting students of color.
In a message on the school’s website [ https://westerntoday.wwu.edu/news/from-president-shepard-western-is-suspending-all-classes-tuesday ] — and sent to members of WWU’s community via email — President Bruce Shepard said a law-enforcement investigation is under way.
University spokesman Paul Cocke said the threats were aimed at black students on campus, and came after some student leaders suggested that the school’s mascot, a viking, is racist and should be changed.
“More than anything else, it’s precautionary,” Cocke said of the decision to cancel classes today. He described the social-media posts as “hate speech directed at students of color” and said the school wanted to make sure they were safe.
He said Bellingham Police and Western’s own police department are investigating the posts.
President Shepard, in a recent blog post [ http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/27.shtml ], noted that issues surrounding the school’s mascot have arisen from time to time, and he welcomed discussion about it.
“Mascots matter,” he wrote.
In a long and nuanced post, he asked readers to consider this question: “Does a Eurocentric and male mascot point to the future we wish to embrace? Or to the past we would move beyond? And, is this, then, an image all can identify with?”
The announcement of Tuesday’s cancellation of classes is here in full:
“Yesterday, we observed social media being used for hate speech targeted at Western students of color. I need to be VERY clear here: we are not talking the merely insulting, rude, offensive commentary that trolls and various other lowlifes seem free to spew, willy nilly, although there has been plenty of that, too. No, this was hate speech.
“These are likely crimes in my view (and in the view of those in the criminal justice system we immediately involved). I cannot go into the details of an ongoing law enforcement investigation. Other than to assure you that this investigation is the highest priority of our campus law enforcement colleagues.
“We do not know if the perpetrators are Western students. If not, they face the criminal justice system. If so, they also face the criminal justice system. And, when it comes to being associated with Western, I promise you it will not be for long.
“Law enforcement has advised me of their assessment that, as the situation is currently understood, there is no threat to general campus safety. However, and I trust you stand with me on this: a threat to any one of us is an attack on all of us.
“We have welcomed the guidance of our students of color as to how else we might be supportive. We have mobilized to offer support and to provide protection to those specifically targeted by the hate speech. With disturbing social media content continuing through early this morning, students of color have advised me of their very genuine, entirely understandable, and heightened fear of being on campus.
“We need time to press the criminal investigation and to plan how, as a campus, we will come together to demonstrate our outrage, to listen to each other, and to support each other. So, I have decided to cancel classes today in order to provide that time.
“Have no doubt: this is not a capitulation to those I described as trolls and lowlifes. We are going after them. Rather, the pause is necessary so that we may learn more as we advance the law enforcement investigation and, together, plan responses that will make us stronger. In a phrase I often hear you use, it is because “Western Cares.”
“While classes are canceled, the university will continue to be open and operating.
“Thank you for being there for all who are Western.”
Copyright © 2015 The Seattle Times Company
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/western-washington-university-cancels-classes-as-hate-speech-is-investigated/ [with embedded video report, and comments]
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Mr. Trump’s Applause Lies
Donald Trump
Credit Brian Snyder/Reuters
Editorial
NOV. 24, 2015
America has just lived through another presidential campaign week dominated by Donald Trump’s racist lies [ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-gaining-strength-questionable-comments/story?id=35372912 ]. Here’s a partial list of false statements: The United States is about to take in 250,000 Syrian refugees; African-Americans are responsible for most white homicides; and during the 9/11 attacks, “thousands and thousands” of people in an unnamed “Arab” community in New Jersey “were cheering as that building was coming down.”
In the Republican field, Mr. Trump has distinguished himself as fastest to dive to the bottom. If it’s a lie too vile to utter aloud, count on Mr. Trump to say it, often. It wins him airtime, and retweets through the roof.
This phenomenon is in fact nothing new. Politicians targeting minorities, foreigners or women have always existed in the culture. And every generation or so, at least one demagogue surfaces to fan those flames.
Here’s Donald Trump on Sunday [ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-donald-trump-ben-carson/story?id=35336008 ]: “When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice. We have no idea who’s being sent in here. This could be the — it’s probably not, but it could be the great Trojan horse of all time, where they come in.”
Here’s Joseph McCarthy in 1950 [ http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6456 ]: “Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time, and ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down — they are truly down.”
Here’s Donald Trump last Tuesday [ https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-has-big-plans-1303117537878070.html ]: “We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”
Here’s George Wallace in 1963 [ http://www.npr.org/2013/01/14/169080969/segregation-forever-a-fiery-pledge-forgiven-but-not-forgotten ]: “We must redefine our heritage, re-school our thoughts in the lessons our forefathers knew so well, in order to function and to grow and to prosper. We can no longer hide our head in the sand and tell ourselves that the ideology of our free fathers is not being attacked and is not being threatened by another idea ... for it is.”
Mr. Trump relies on social media to spread his views. This is convenient because there’s no need to respond to questions about his fabrications. That makes it imperative that other forms of media challenge him.
Instead, as Mr. Trump stays at the top of the Republican field, it’s become a full-time job just running down falsehoods like the phony crime statistics he tweeted, which came from a white supremacist group.
Yet Mr. Trump is regularly rewarded with free TV time, where he talks right over anyone challenging him, and doubles down when called out on his lies.
This isn’t about shutting off Mr. Trump’s bullhorn. His right to spew nonsense is protected by the Constitution, but the public doesn’t need to swallow it. History teaches that failing to hold a demagogue to account is a dangerous act. It’s no easy task for journalists to interrupt Mr. Trump with the facts, but it’s an important one.
© 2015 The New York Times Company
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/mr-trumps-applause-lies.html
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"Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty."
from John Philpot Curran, Speech
upon the Right of Election, 1790
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