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Well to be fair, anyone who invested then actually are bagholders...other than the first 2days, everyone else had to have bought between .10 to over .20...and there were several hundred million shares traded in that range...
Unless those that bought were traders..traders have had ample opportunity then and since then to make decent money..but investors would have made zero dollars so far..and they exist because every so often they will proudly claim to have made no money yet on kblb..
I personally think many here are having cavier dreams without realizing they are investing in pork n beans...IMO, kblb has NOT proven that they have anything that anyone wants...and they continue to be run and touted like a common pink sheet scam stock..
Didn't the CEO say he was in talks with someone about commercialization of monster silk?..and yet we never had a sample of it until now..and even that's a maybe?..so what kind of talks could they have been having and how serious could they have been when there was no product for a buyer to examine?...
The sial deal took 6 months to do?...all we did was pay for their ZF so we could use it..that took 6 months?...supposedly sial used that time going over kblb with a fine toothed comb..lol..that would have taken about 30 minutes max...
I think more likely that sial wanted someone better to use their ZF process..they couldn't find any takers and ended up letting kblb do it...and now that they are having failures with their ZF I can see why they had no other takers...
Seriously..do you think a tiny one man operation pink sheet company operating with money loaned by sharks was what Sial really wanted to go with?...I doubt it...
Yes yes I know..kblb is literally a gold mine with huge scientific breakthroughs...and it's selling for .10 a share..and has been for some time...does this really seem likely?...
explain it anyway you want to but he is not registering 5.8 mil shares to not sell them....he knows news is coming out...he knows the pps will rise and he will sell shares into that rise...
that is a lot of shares..and he has plenty more he can sell if he wants to....and he most certainly will...
the pr need not come this week...but they will come...what they consist of is another matter...i think many are going to be disappointed...again...except for the traders...once again..
greed is not good..
looks like someone is desperate to conduct damage control...but dont worry beause the zf worked fine...lol
and thats exactly what i said when people asked why sial would let kblb use their zf...because kblb paid and even if kblb failed they could still say that it wasnt due to the zf...that the zf worked fine.....which is exactly what is happening right now to some other company...
and i believe it has happened before as well...but once again our trusty psuedo scientist assured everyone it meant nothing at all...
im begining to think it actually does mean something...and i have a feeling you will all be wondering what the delay is in announcing the pure spider silk everyone is waiting for...
but rest assured, it wont be because of zf...(lol)..
does anyone really think that the zf process is really that magical?..that gene manipulation could really be that easy?..that nature could be that easily defeated?...
well i had my doubts...and now i have even more doubts...but, we shall see...
and as far as trying to compare kblb and aapl, (lol) well you can just fuhgetaboutit..aapl can barely protect itself....i believe i was asked if what i said meant that no start up should try to come out with cutting edge technology...
well what i said was that other companies, china specifically, would steal whatever they could from anyone who had anything to steal...many startups foolishly believe that having a patent protects them...it doesnt.....having a patent and millions of dollars to defend them in court protects you against US companies...but not against many others..
and there is no place better and easier to obtain necessary info other than a university....i am sure some here will want to post asurances that wyoming university is as tight as pfizer labs...lol
it would take a few hundred thousand dollars and about an hour for china to get all the info it needs from wu...and just how much do you think they would fear kblb?..given that they dont give aapl even a second thought?..
should no start up do high tech?..of course not...they should just not do it foolishly..not try to do it alone..with a one man operation..using money obtained by shylocks and try to do it as cheaply as possible..relying on universities who use underpaid or non paid students as cheap labor...
and even that just might be ok...but for a tech that is revolutionary?..that is a holy grail?..that could undermine a huge industry in some countries?...and you are going to do the research in labs that are can leak information like a sieve...and think that holding up a piece of paper (patent) is all the protection you need?...
the problem with tiny companies that are run on a shoestring as a one man operation is that they simply cannot think big enough...they focus on the product because thats all they have time for...and they invariably want to do it all..they dont want to share...they want to invent it, produce it, manufacture it and sell it...
in other words..they get greedy...and you will lose every single time when you get greedy..
no, theres a right way for a startup to get high tech done right...unfortunately kblb is a perfect example of the wrong way..
i have no clue what you are talking about..are you sure your comments are a reply to my post?...
i will say this though about how other companies will have their spider silk needs filled..they can fund other research to get what they need...and i doubt it will cost a billion dollars...and even if it did, those cost can be shared between them and the other multitude of companies that will want the spider silk...
and regardless of what anyone says about that research being behind and too hard, with enough money, they'll find a way...
a more likely scenario however is that china will simply steal the whole concept and outpace kblb like they were standing still in manufacturing the spider silk...
in fact it wouldnt surprise me if they already have everything they need to get it done..when it comes to espionage, corporate or otherwise, kblb and its fine scientists and management of one, are babes in the woods..when it comes to china, they are about as significant as their patents to china...
does anyone truly believe that kblb is going to "bust" china?..or that the U.S. will intervene on kblb's behalf?...they cant even make a dent on the theft that is occuring with chinas stealing apple's products..
where will everyone else gets their spider silk that they will want if they cant get it from kblb?...ill give you one guess..
well of course it may not be china..it could be korea..or it could be somewhere else...but if anyone thinks that kblb will have a lock on spider silk just because they have a patent, you are dreaming..i dont care if you laser an id number or gene mark it or anything else...if there is that much money to be had, someone is going to steal it and make it their own..
it would be a little diffcult for them if its aapl or ibm...but kblb??...lol...they wont think twice or hesitate for a second..
lets suppose kblb does get to the point where they can mass produce spider silk profitably and someone wants to buy that silk because they can sell it profitably....
will kblb sell to everyone who wants it?..will they have the capability of producing it and selling it to everyone who wants it?..in all the amounts they will want it?...presumably that would be an enormous quantity...
or will kblb parcell it out?...or will they only sell it to certain significant partners...
supposedly spider silk can be used in the manufacture of automobiles...will they sell to all the auto makers worldwide or will they enter into deals with certain ones who are will willing to pay a high price for exclusivity?..
and for those left out...those auto makers...those clothing manufacturers, those medical suppliers, etc etc etc...what do you suppose they will do?..look for their own method of obtaining what they need?..
my guess is yes....and it doesnt matter if they are left out or not getting the amount they want or think they can get it cheaper on their own or whatever....at some point they will go looking for someone who can supply them with what they need...and if sipder silk turns out to be all that, they will fund researchers who can get them what they need....
why will anyone continue reasearch on other methods of getting spider silk?...because someone will pay them to do it..why?.. because they want to make money...
money money money...its all about money..
"Bollingers are NOT tightening up from what I can tell"
they absolutely are not...lol
"And yes there may be some selling by some investors who either have no clue what is going to follow"
no one has a clue what is coming...some have their hopes and dreams about what is coming but the fact is NO one KNOWS..
"or are just content with the little bump"
many have said the same thing many times about a "little" 30% "bump" and have expressed regret that they didnt profit from that little bump instead of holding...
"However a small downward dip does not mean a reversal"
well if it goes down 30% it will be right back where it started regardless of whether you consider that a reversal, dip, chip or dump...
if it gets over .12 tomorrow it will probably be time to sell and wait to buy back...and yea, it could get back to .09 very easily...especially with the very poor volume we have had...and ill add that the idea that the stock is rising on poor volume isnt exactly what you want to see regardless of those who seem to be saying its a good thing....it most certainly isnt ideal...the likelyhood that the stock will slowly rise to .15 and then take off is highly unlikely..
everyone thinks news is coming out...but the fact is no one knows when or what that news will be...30% profit is 30% profit..
if it only drops back a bit before taking off with news, then one can buy back and make money again...anytime you can make 30% on a penny stock, sell, and then make 30% again you should do it...the idea that you may have let 10 or even 20% go by shouldnt bother you a bit when you make 60%...if it does, its just pure greed..and that will, in the end, cause you much damage..
this is a penny stock..and regardless of what anyone is saying, the risks are high...very high...you are guaranteed nothing...so when you get a decent profit, it should be taken..
i dont know what it is you are trying to prove with ancient examples...yes, pre world war 2 would be much too old as well...
lets face it...you wont find a real example...nylon was just another material...you guys are not saying pure spider silk is just another material...you are saying that it is some holy grail..that it will revolutionize industries...it will be used in pretty much EVERY industry to make almost everything...and it will do it all better...
the claims that are being made here about what kblb MAY be able to produce and how it can be used are so outlandish that there is no comparison to anything else...
im sure pure spider silk, if it can ever be produced in commercial quantities at a reasonable price, will have a market...but i have my doubts that that can be accomplished...but even if it can, all the claims about what it will be used for and what it will replace and how good it will be are hogwash...
"built to break Like TV sets and appliances. They tend to break just after the warranty expires.
But explain Craftsman or Snap-on tools. You break grandpas old craftsman wrench and you get it replaced for free for life"
you can keep making comparisons but none of them apply...you are comparing electronics to a hunk of metal like a wrench...way too different..and neither have anything to do with fabric..
and sure, craftsman guarantees their wrenches and such but they know good and well the vast majority of prople will not return them even if they break...so they can tout their lifetime guarantee for very little cost...its true but its really just for advertisement purposes..
"Clothing is not something you buy 1 time in 10 years"..
correct..i made that point also..
"If the quality of clothing was not taken under consideration by the consumer then Levi's jeans would never have made it"
now you are having to go back 140 years to prove a point?..cant find something in fabric just a little bit earlier?..lol...im pretty sure things were a little bit different back then...the reasons they did things were different...the needs were different..i doubt anyone produced anything back then with the intent it shouldnt last.....BUT THEY DO NOW...
"The Idea that better products wont sell or be used because they wont wear out is just stupid"
well that sure wasnt something i said...what i did say was that manufacturers may not want to make any clothing that will last any longer than they do now...not that they wouldnt sell if they were made...i hope thats clear now...
an example is given a few posts from here...panty hose that doesnt run...in the first place no one wears pantyhose anymore..but if they were to come back, i doubt manufacturers will want to make pantyhose that doesnt run...im quite sure they were happy with customers having to replace hosery frequently...what is their incentive to want hosery that is better than nylon and lasts a lot longer?...unless they intend to charge a heck of a lot more for it...and in that case you are not taking over or revolutionizing anything...you are just another possible material that can be used as well as others..
"Look at the FDA requirement for a new drug. One of the things they look for is for a new drug to work better then what exists now. If it works the same it will not get approval"
thats not exactly how it works...and its just another comparison that doesnt fit the fabric category..
"This world revolves around improvements. If you really think that good product wont sell"
again no one said good products wont sell...it was said that some products whether they are good or not may not get made....
take your statement above for example..."When you talk about something you buy every 10 years or so a lot of things seem to be built to break Like TV sets and appliances. They tend to break just after the warranty expires"......you agree they build good things but dont build them last...ON PURPOSE...but you think its stupid to believe that they wont make good things that will last longer than normal...????????????
here we are at rope again..fine..stronger rope...big deal...that aint where the money is..
and women dont wear stockings anymore..silk or otherwise..and they sure dont wear girdles for crying out loud...cycling pants?..leotards?..this is the revolutionization of the garment industry i have been hearing about all this time?..
"Sutures that are twice as strong means that they can be thinner and more quickly absorbed by the body"
i wasnt aware that speedy sutures were needed..
"With spider silk for the reinforcing fiber they will be just as strong, but impact resistant.
Boats will bounce off of rocks that used to shatter them"
well thats the dream allright...but i hope no one takes that comment seriously..
"Car bodies will need fewer repairs"
there will be just as many repairs...they may not be as extensive but i guarantee you they will be more costly...
"Even air bag active crash restraints will improve. Lighter weight will mean faster deployment"
faster deployment is not what they are after...they are fast enough now...they can already make them faster if they want...they dont want...
"and the smooth stretch of spider silk will cause fewer air bag induced lacerations"
people get scratched up a bit sometimes with airbag deployments but i doubt that will change much with spider silk..after all, there is an accident involved with the air bag deployment...
skate boards and tents??..come on...
Like I said, no pure spider silk (pss) this fall...little by little you are all getting told this...I'm sure it will be by the new year though..maybe..if..depending...
What happened to the idea that you just remove the silk gene out of the worm and presto! No more worm silk..when I said it might not be that easy,everyone couldn't believe I woulddoubt that it was in fact just easy...
So now it appears it ISN'T that easy...hmmmm..but I'm sure the second gene manipulation will be quite simple and surely successful..maybe..perhaps..possibly...
And for goodsakes, don't trade the stock until some have a chance to sell and leave the country..lol
"Ask any bull whose encountered a few matadors"
you cant..they're all dead...maybe now its a little clearer
"Every time several posters come into the discussion boards pointing out "red flags" something good was about to happen"
im sure this helps your cause and sounds good when someone who has no clue reads it, but i highly doubt its true...things happen when they happen...
"I think it is interesting that no one attacks the science"
no one understands the science except for one or 2 people here...the rest just think they do..and most everyone simply swallows the information provided by the lead guy who claims to fully understand the science..they swallow it hook, line and sinker...and should kblb turn out to not be all that they claim, he has completely covered himself by repeatedly saying you should not listen to what he says even though he posts like he the one doing the actual research...
"No one attacks Sigma Aldrich for having bad judgement"
unless you are investing sigman-aldrich what does it matter what they do?...and if you are, they have their board for that...
"or the universities"
there are lots of universities involved in all kinds of research all over the place..some cutting edge..some not...some doing great things..some not...some are good research some are just plain stupid...some work out well, others do not...to think that everything that every university gets involved in is going to be something successful is pure bunk...that just because the university name is attached to it means it is going to be a raging success and everything that is being done has their utmost endorsement is nonsense...
"or the past record of the CEO"
he has no past record as a ceo...he might have been a good lawyer and maybe even a good piano player..i dont know...but this job he has is as a ceo...and for that he has no past record...
"or the board of directors"
there is no board of directors..yes i know, the ceo holds all the various board of director positions...but heres a clue, that is a joke..a absolute joke...period..
"That is because there is nothing to attack"
i just did..
"So the only thing left is the same problem that every start up company has, especially in this economy: financing"
yes that is a problem that every start up company faces...but many choose to address and solve that problem first...before they do anything else..and when they go public, it is because they are ready to grow the business not trying to finance it to get it off the ground...
"That will no longer matter when the silk results come in along with news of Gen 1 commercialization"
maybe....but only IF
"KBLB may not make me rich, but it will make me money"
oh?...and why wouldnt you be rich?..if only half the stuff is true, everyone here should be filthy rich...but even after all the championing you are doing, you yourself are not even convinced?...then why should anyone else be?...
"If I asked a broker about KBLB and he told me it was too risky at .098 a share, and then it went off the charts, I would look for another broker"
if the broker just said no 100% of the time about pink sheet stocks he would be correct about 99.9% of the time..and in the end he will have saved you from ruin regardless if he had been wrong on kblb...
"You want a real risk? Buy Goldman Sachs at over 100 bucks and watch it go down, or even BOA at 7"
you wnat to see real risk?..hold ANYTHING long...
one of the best ways to pump up the price of a stock is to put out a rumor that it is being bought out...brings the stock to the attention of a lot of daytraders...and if some news comes out that raises the stock price, they will flock here and pop the stock beyond imaginationn
"The basic pattern is that significant news causes a price rise, in proportion to the perceived value of the news"
well yea..except there is no basic pattern...the pps can begin to pop without news..thyen go further once news is released..or it could wait on the news or there could be a delayed reaction..
and the pop could be a heck of a lot more than anyones percieved value..it can go way beyond anyones percieved value...
"Because of heavy trading the price usually overruns - spikes up and then pulls back to settle at a new level (this is dead normal for early stage biotechs)"
the price will spike and then settle back to where it was or at some new support level...yes it is normal but its normal for any stock not just "early stage biotechs"...
"1) a trend to a slow increase in SP in anticipation of more news (the strength of this trend is directly related to the frequency and regularity with which the company releases news and the usual strength (or lack thereof in some cases) of the PRs (KBLB has a good history of solid PRs with real significance, IMHO)"
a increase in share price before news sometimes does happen but it is not directly related to anything you stated...it is directly related to that news being leaked out to some..and that is usually on purpose..
if kblb had a good history of solid pr's with REAL significance, kblb would not be 9 cents a share..
"a tendency to drift down as the most recent news becomes "old" and some begin to worry whether the company is making progress"
well if the pr's are pouring out of kblb why would any news be "old"...and if the news was truly "significant" why would anyone worry about kblb's failure to progress?..
"It's a question of the balance between 1 and 2 plus the influence of external factors (market conditions, etc.)"
its a question of a whole ton of things..
"Because of the great difficulty in calculating timing in this case (there are just too many factors we don't know about: which GMs KBLB is doing, in what order, etc) I suspect that even traders are reluctant to trade here"
just about everyone who is in kblb has admitted to trading some of their shares when possible..as for real traders, they dont care about GM'S or what order kblb is doing anything...they use charts..and if kblb ends up having a significant move, they will come here and trade it..and most wont have a clue what kblb is or does..it doesnt matter to them..will they stay?..no
heres a clue folks...you aint getting pure spider silk in the "fall"...im guessing the next timeline you will be given is somewhere "around the new year"...then everyone can ponder what "around the new year" means...why?..because thats how things go in the stinky pinkies...and you are already being spoon fed the idea that delays are inevitable...so when it happens you will be told it is "dead standard" and kblb really is progressing at incredible speed for an "early stage boitech"....
you will get news to cause a spike..lab, updates on whoever is looking at monster silk for body armour, whatever new thing they can muster up...the lab is going to be great, the company looking at monster silk will have given encouraging feedback, kblb will be "ramping up" yet again but this time with the new lab everyone will have hope that they are truly "ramping up", there will be new developments which are on the way that of course will simply be astounding...and anything else that the ceo can throw into a hodge podge of a pr...
and then after the pop, after his cronies and masters have had a chance to make their money and sell, then the bad news will come...it will be sugar coated to taste a little better...and there will be those who will insist its all actually good news and by god wont sell a share and havent yet..etc etc
thems my opinions...we shall see
pennies equals thousands of dollars...do it enough times and it will add up...i have made almost 5 times my money here while being told i was going to miss the boat..lol...and thats not counting what i make with that same money when its not in kblb...
kblb has proven to be a much better stock to trade than to hold...and very little risk with trading...
oh yes...it is very much what i want..
"If the garment industry can swap out spider silk for silkworm silk for basically the same cost"
well thats a mighty big "IF"...they will "swap out" just like that?...like i said, its a nice thought..but thats about it at this point...for the same cost?..who said spider silk would be the same cost?..no one knows...many are certainly hoping that will be the case but there is no reason to belive that WILL be the case..
"make a superior product they will switch to spidersilk"
by superior you mean longer lasting?...im not convinced the garment industry is interested in garments that dont have to be replaced regularly...
"If you can get a better product for the same price I am pretty sure everyone is going to pick the better, higher quality product. except you of course"
better in what way?..who says its going to be better?...who says its going to be the same price?....these are what the hopes and dreams of kblb made fortunes are made of but no one knows the costs or prices of anything yet...there isnt even pure spider silk yet let alone cost to mass produce it or the price to someone who want to buy it...
people already have everyone running around in spider silk underwear and have already decided the world wants them and they will be available at the same price as cotton underwear....
could we be getting a little ahead of ourselves there a bit?..
"YOur points about the influence of style and design on the relative prices are completely irrelevant"
they are in fact not only relevant, they are EXTREMELY relevant...
"Silk has inherently more value than cotton and a garment of silk will always cost more than an equivalent garment of cotton"
silk has an equivalent in cotton?...well then, i guess spider silk does also...that being the case, i fail to see that there is any point at all to your argument...
"To see how true that is, compare something where style is largely irrelevant and the value of the material is paramount"
its always about style, design, wear, practicality, price, fit, feel, value, and fashion...and that is true even in bedsheets...but do give it another try..
"Silk sheets are much more expensive that cotton sheets"
depends on the silk...depends on the cotton..
"And the reason that people are willing to pay for that is the feel (none of your friends or neighbors are going to see you sleeping on silk sheets (well, except for, hopefully, a select few)"
there are many reasons some people want silk sheets...see above for all those reasons...i know you would like it to be just one reason..the reason you chose...because its fits your needs...but obviously there never is just one reason...
i wonder who may have said that?..it wasnt someone associated with monster silk in some way was it?..lol
"That is a gross misinterpretation! Go back and read what I actually said"
oh ok...hang on while i spend the next 2 weeks going over 9000 posts with 600 words per post...lol
"a few of the posters here were confusing their misinterpretations"
my goodness...it seems whenever there is a contrary opinion, its called confusion or misinterpretation...the fact is manshoon is not confused or misinterpreting anything...he is in fact, correct...dead on correct...
oh theres some misinterpretation and confusion going on all right...but it isnt on the part of manshoon..
Often such nervous backing of the company no matter what (as I'm IMHO seeing here)may be a sign that one is overextended (investing money that is borrowed, cannot be left in for more than a short period or just too large a part of ones portfolio) So if anyone is particularly bothered by such things they might want to consider adjusting their investment to better suit their risk tolerance and individual circumstances.
so because one company decides to use something that means that other companies will automatically follow suit?...well thats a nice thought for the first company but no, that aint necessarily how it goes...but its a nice dream...
it appears you are totally confused by simple logic...i am as accurate as i need to be...if anyone doesnt agree, oh well, i can live with that..
EVERYTHING is opinion on this board...there are precious little facts...you think kim wasnt talking about bullet proof vests...i do...i believe that is exactly what he was talking about...i believe that is what he meant..heck, im even sure that is exactly what he said..lol
i think what you are are having great difficulty in comprehending is the extremely simple concept that prices differ depending on what is sold and who is selling them...
yuo can buy $500 cotton shirts or $500 silk shirts...
and neither of them are $500 because the material is so great..
How about this?...kblb had the transgenic worm a year ago..proof positive they had what they were going for...they had the monster worm in may...even better...they are now after pure spider silk using a ZF process developed by a major company that will speed things up and make pure spider silk even more of a sure thing...
It's all there..everything anyone would need to show they have the goods and are on the fast track to even more and better things...
So why is there nothing happening?...why is kblb less than a dime per share?...why is no one beating down the doors at kblb trying to get a jump on the next best thing since sliced bread??..why is it they could get no financing other than loan sharks?...
I know some have managed to come up with flimsy explanations that really make no sense...but seriously, does this situation that kblb is in really make sense???..
There should be a pop coming soon...I thought it would have happened by now..I hate holding this long but I'm in and waiting with an itchy trigger finger...
And yes everything you said is correct...
Denim. Has been around for 150 years..ask Levi Strauss if they think they have lost out on anything..
Denim came to be because there was a specific need for more durable clothing....can you identify a need for more durable clothing beyond what exists now?...if not, there goes any advantage that spider silk would have
Fortunately I'm not concerned with anyone's opinion of accuracy..nor do I care whether anyone thinks the security company is evaluating the spider silk for body armor or not..I do..And I don't care if the CEO specifically said so or not..if he wants to be cryptic then I will have to fill in the blanks..besides, everyone believes spider silk is a perfect match for body armor so it's not like it's a real stretch to make the assumption that that is what the security company is testing the spider silk for...regardless of who feels otherwise
What you seem to have great difficulty in understanding is that it is fashion that is expensive..not the material..there are cheap silk shirts and there are expensive ones..often times the only difference between the two is the label...you can buy $300 cotton shirts or $20 cotton shirts....unless spider silk is going to bring something to the table that's unique, it isn't going to revolutionize the garment industry..it's just going to be another fiber to make a shirt out of...the only thing that spider silk had going for it was that it supposedly would wear longer than most other fabrics...but I doubt anyone really cares about that...spider silk should sell but I don't see it as any kind of blockbuster in the garment industry..and that was where the money would be
its been one year since the transgenic worm announcement...in May they announced they made it bigger...for some reason that was a priority?....
they have been searching for a warehouse/manufacturing facility for months...for some reason they cant seem to find the right one?...
oh yea...everyone at kblb is very focused...the ceo, the cfo, the vp, the coo, they are all focused...the unfortunate thing about that is they are all the same person...
hes got about 12 things he needs to get done...by himself...how focused do you think he really is?...
they dearly wanted the monster silk...they got it...but then they dearly wanted pure spider silk...they are after that wholeheartedly...then they will want the platform thing....and its been said here that the ceo also has other things on his agenda that he hasnt disclosed...
"They would have you believe that we should be selling before we have something to sell"
well the ceo said hes in talks with a body armour manufacturer who is testing the monster silk for use....was he lying?
well we are back to cars again...i was talking about clothes...why cant we just stick to the subject?...sure everyone would want their cars to last longer...their houses...their money and a whole bunch of other things....
the question was, do we need our shirts and pants and jackets to last a whole lot longer than they do now?...i for one end up giving my clothes away long before they wear out...and judging from what is given away to goodwill, salvation army and the amount of yard sales and whatnot, it appears the answer is no..we do not really need to have those things last longer..
now socks perhaps could be an exception..
"Better is always better, and people always want better"
unfortunately that decision wont be up to the "people" as is usually the case...it will be up to the clothing manufacturers to determine if you will get better....when it comes to fashion and clothing, they pretty much decide what you are going to want...or at least what you will get to choose from...if they decide making clothing out of spider silk isnt waht they want, you will not be wearing any spider silk underwear...period..
"There is no reason spider silk shouldn't be comparably priced after the initial introduction"
so the clothing manufacturer will make the same amount of money but the clothing will last longer?...do you think that is what they want?....and why would a spider silk shirt be thought of as quality?..
there ARE no executives at kblb...there ARE no employees at kblb...theres just kim and ben...and from what we have been told, they do read the board and you really dont know if they are actually posting on this board or not...i find it highly unusual that they would read the board...but since they find it important enough to read its not such a leap to think they wouldnt post as well...
"They are carrying on with their daily duties and working towards achieving the company's goals"
well thats a nice thought but frankly you havent a clue what the heck they are doing right now...they could be at a bar getting lap dances with your money for all you know...
and according to you those goals are many and some are years away...either they are working on those goals or they are not...you were just fine with the fact that they were..now you seem hesitent about that...
because its years away...kblb doesnt have years to wait for that stuff...they need to get something done soon...they need to start making money....they have had monster silk for awhile now...and that was supposed to have been a major achievement...they were supposed to have been able to market that all over the place...they were supposed to have been able to make tons of money with it...so far kblb hasnt seen a dime from it..
why on earth would anyone want to focus on an area that is small potatos, has no products yet and is years away when what they supposedly needed to make millions is already in their hands??..
forget the future..forget about what you can maybe do with spider silk years from now...figure out what to do with it NOW...
but for some reason you are supposed to keep looking way out in the distance....theres another dream just on the other side of that hill...
kblb needs to do something with what it has NOW...if it should get pure spider silk eventually, great...then they will need to do something with that also at that time..
but kblb has what?..one employee and one scientist and a few techs?...and they are concurrently going in 4 different directions at the same time?...with super complicated cutting edge technology?..with some goals being years out?...really?..this sounds great to everyone?..does this all really make sense?..
with a limited amount of resources and time available to you, one would think priorities would have to be established...and one would think that a product you have in your hand that can be sold for profit would be somewhat of a priority...
"Te idea that they won't succeed because they are not already common goes against many thousands of years of technological advances and is not even remotely plausible, IMHO"
that idea does not go against thousands of anything...in fact it is common knowledge...
kblb will need someone to buy their super strong long lasting fiber...the textile industry is where the money is...medicine and sports and all that other stuff is just nonsense...theres no real money there...
the problem is, who in textile will want to make anything out of super strong long lasting fiber?...how about shoestrings?...sounds great...id like to own shoestrings that will last as long as the shoe..as long as it doesnt cost me too much...but the question is, do shoestring manufacturers want to sell you shoestrings that will never have to be replaced?...
they probably would if they can charge enough for them...but then theres the question of what the customer will be willing to pay for them...how much more will someone pay for better shoestrings?...
probably not a whole lot more seeing as how i dont seem to need to replace my shoestrings very much as it is right now..
and thats going to be the situation with everything in the textile industry...just because you can mutate a better product doesnt mean manufacturers will want it...consumers might want it if it is reasonably priced..but they will never get the choice if manufacturers dont buy into it..
oh wait..i didnt take into consideration that mountain climbers will surely want better shoestrings...what was i thinkng?...how could i have forgotten about such a huge market..
what you are failing to understand is that there is no money to be made in sutures...certainly not when you start narrowing it down even further to microsutures...
the whole idea of kblb developing the spider silk is for the purpose of making money...and it i am not talking about the miniscule amount of money that can be had with microsutures...
i dont care if you find out that spider silk can be used as sutures to stitch up brain tissue or eyeballs...it doesnt matter...theres no money there...
and its all about the money...its like saying that spider silk will make great rope that mountain climbers can use..who cares??...theres no money there...
thats all nonsense to keep everyone off the real purpose of the spider silk...textile...thats where the money is..if the textile industry decides they need it...and so far, they dont seem to be fighting one another over monster silk...
thus the misdirection to the medical field....forget the medical field...thats years away anyway...the main goal and purpose of the spider silk was the textile industry because thats where the money is...
people are losing focus as they are being deftly lead into different directions and away from what the main goal was...why do you suppose that is?...
you mean they already have exactly what everyone thinks kblb will be providing as a super new prodcut?..they already have antibiotic sutures that work just fine?..
funny...i havent seen anyone using them anywhere...maybe they will catch on eventually...
in any case, there goes kblb's big medical breakthrough...so instead of needing to have some kind of mutated fiber they what?...simply soak the suture in antibiotic OINTMENT?...
not as cool as mutated fiber but apparently effective enough...
oh well, there goes the 40 bucks kblb would have made with that idea..
and no i didnt read the link...i almost never read any links..
"This month (even this week) is a very likely possibility but it could take longer"
nice time frame...how about just "someday maybe"...
i must say its taking a bit longer for the stock to make its upward move than i thought...its primed for a move..it wants to move...it will move...but apparently it wants to take its sweet time..
the reason that sutures break thru the skin is that the idiots who have the sutures are doing more than they are supposed to be doing with stitches...a few days of taking it easy is all that is needed...nothing more...its nothing that requires more money or a scientific breakthru...
and im sure then you wouldnt have needed any oral anti biotics either right?...of course you would have.. so exactly what would the spider silk have accomplished?..
"All we need is for KBLB to continue to advance the science and the rest should happen in short order"
wow...what a simple recipe...kinda like all i need to do is buy a lotto ticket and ill be a multi millionare...
yup it could happen..
still with the rope thing?..lets sell every rock climber a spider silk rope..how much money does kblb make off of that?....exactly..not gonna put even a tiny dent in the billions everyone is hoping for...
"What's your life worth?"
probably worth more to me than the idiots who mountain climb..