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"the DOE isnt a loan at all. it is a loan guarantee."
just a technicality...they will be on the hook for 80% of whatever loan plug is able to get...which means they are technically not loaning money to plug but stand to end up losing a hell of a lot of money if plug gets a loan and cant pay it back...the DOE is very much a BIG part of any loan that plug gets...their money is on the line...
"Getting this far indicates the DOE believes the projects identified are achievable the question is whether the rest of the company will survive long enough for the projects to be implemented"
it means that back in May the DOE believed the projects to be achievable...back then the pps was $3.50 to $4.00...today it hit $1.94...i have a hard time believing that the DOE wont rescind their offer...i have an even harder time believing that a bank will loan plug that much money...that puts the bank on the hook for a potential $320 mil loss...maybe a deal can be worked out involving first borns and such, but i dont know...ive found that a throwing of a ton of cash at a failing company is rarely the solution...kinda like continue to buy shares in a stock that just keeps dropping...banks dont like trying to catch falling knives...
didnt nkla make a new low yesterday at $4.68?....today it made another new low at $4.29!...geez...its dropped a ton and it just wont stop dropping like a rock...
nkla r/s in june at .35...its now .143..
well cheer up...it cant drop forever...might bounce a bit soon before it continues its downward spiral...
"JB, you've been right a lot lately."
if he has been right a lot and has made excellent calls, what more credibility is needed???...lol
"The low credibility is due to the fact that as far as I can remember and can discern from your posts, you've have always been negative on PLUG."
which has proven to have been the CORRECT call...how is that a negative??...
"If someone like UK, Steve, BB, and others, had made the above recommendation, I would have likely listened to them, because they have credibility."
but since they didnt, you lost money...so how has your definition of "credibility" worked out for you?....maybe rethinking your thought process is what is needed...maybe the problem isnt JB...maybe its you....
HELLO!
yup...it appears that the water produced by gas or hfcv are about the same...
the 45v would have already been implemented but so many didnt agree with how regulatory agencies wanted it implemented that it has been delayed even further...thats just how it goes...the delay could last until after the election...and if trump wins, those who caused the delay will likely wish they had just accepted the 45v that was presented by the regulatory agencies...in the end, it will be a big win for hydrogen or a big loss...time will tell...they wanted more and they are risking getting nothing...
the DOE loan is a loan...its not free cash...if it looks like that $1.6 bil wont really solve plug's woes or even help much, then its a bad loan and it wont be made...my guess is the DOE is giving plug time to show that their money wont simply go down the drain...because at this point, that is the outcome they are seeing....this has nothing to do with the presidential election at all...
"Today's filing, obviously, interpretation is important, And what formulates everyone's opinion. An elephant is an elephant, to 98 or 99% of people. 1% will argue just for the case of arguing and the other one percent really don't understand what an elephant is."
in case you dont understand this ridiculous statement, it was written because hes about to post HIS opinion and he thinks hes the elephant and he wants you to believe that if you dont agree with him then you just want to argue or you are stupid...lmao
"But I'm guessing the company needs to prove they're trying to do everything they can to regain compliance with the minimum bid requirement. Including something that can obviously be monitored like requesting the ability to do a reverse split."
fcel dropped below a buck in April and the pps has steadily declined down to 37 cents...but you think the request to r/s is simply a ploy to buy time....fcel will somehow manage to get it done with more time?...fcel has had a 4 year long downtrend down to where it is now...but somehow a few more months is all they need?...lol
maybe Few should try reversing that downtrend or at least try raising the pps a bit...i think that would go a whole lot further with Nasdaq than trying to fool them...smh
"Since I'm almost certain every retail investor is going to vote and they are going to vote negatively"
you are wrong on both counts...
"Do you think the company can legitimately convince the NASDAQ They did everything possible if they give any indication they don't want people to vote for the reverse split? I believe the vote shoots down the option"
what the Nasdaq is going to see is a company whose pps is diving and they are making a desperation move to r/s so they can regain compliance with Nasdaq...and the company's shareholders are so pissed with the company management and there is so much distrust that they wont even vote to allow the company to remain on the Nasdaq......but your opinion is that Nasdaq will take pity on fcel and grant them more time?...
thats a whole lot of shenanigans for a legit company to get involved with...frankly, its far too much...
4,000 seems awful light....i saw many estimates that said 20,000 drops are in 1 liter...one said 10,000...i didnt see any that were less than those...other than yours...
"so a Nikola hydrogen FCEV truck would release about one drop of water every foot traveled"
assuming one can drive around non-stop...but in reality, there are stoplights, stop signs and many other reasons why vehicles have to come to a stop for 30 seconds or more...if you have 10 or 20 fcev constantly stopping at every red light all around a city for 30 seconds or more, all day and all night, thats going to cause a whole lot more water on the streets than you are anticipating...
"When it's finalized in the next few weeks, fcel will go far over $1- at least to $1.50 where it was before draft rules came out last dec."
i dont think fcel benefits that much from 45v...and any benefit is a long term thing...45v is not like hitting the lottery where you will get hordes of cash....other companies will benefit far more than fcel...they will rise nicely if the regulators make the changes to benefit business...fcel will mostly ride the wave...
"With a sales outlook improving 5x"
5 times "not much" is likely still not much...fcel still loses lots of money...and those losses are projected to continue...
theres a reason that fcel has dropped to 40 cents...theres a reason that Few wants to do a reverse split...clearly Few doesnt see the kind of improvement you are hoping for...maybe its best to see what Few is actually doing and try to figure out why...because he KNOWS what is coming and what he needs to do...and a r/s is a desperation move...
Fullerton has worked at very profitable and well run companies, with Amazon having almost unlimited resources...its almost hard to not do well under those circumstances...
with plug, hes going to have his work cut out for him...he will be dealing with a poorly run company with limited resources and almost no money...these are things he is totally unfamiliar with...
maybe he will do well...maybe he wont...too hard to say either way...but to point to his success at Amazon and think he can do well at Plug because of it?...i think a monkey could well at Amazon...
" I don’t think that they will reverse split right away"
because?...what benefit is there to waiting?...many many investors are on the sideline just waiting...they will not buy until they know a reverse wont happen or, if the vote passes, until it is implemented...they know the pps will drop like a rock when the r/s happens so why would they buy before hand?...
the pps is in the doldrums and fcel, imo, keeps diluting for cash...even if fcel gets back to a buck or more, they will still want to r/s....they announced their desire for a r/s on Aug 20 and the vote will take place Oct 31...thats a long enough wait for something to happen...if nothing happens by halloween, i dont see fcel waiting a whole longer beyond that to what they know they have to do to remain compliant with Nasdaq....
there is a time line involved...they have till the beginning of Dec to get the pps up...theres no guarantee Nasdaq will provide them an extension...i suspect Few wont want to even ask for one...for anyone to think fcel can simply bide their time and be lackadaisical or kick the can down the road, i dont think thats the case...
"Has anyone here thought what would happen if the reverse split is not approved ?"
yea..i already posted on that...i said shareholders will lose money if Few r/s...and shareholders will lose money if they dont...
if the r/s happens, and there is no fundamental change in anything, shorts will jump all over it and short the crap out of fcel immediately after the r/s...and when i say immediately after, i mean within minutes.......if the r/s doesnt happen, fcel will drop down to the OTC and many investors will throw in the towel and take their losses...they have been waiting since $1.50 for the 45v to happen so they can sell a bit higher...now if the 45v happens, they will be lucky to get 75 cents...
as ive said a hundred times, if a stock is not doing what you thought it would and just continues to drop almost daily, that is NOT the time for patience...no matter what hedgehog says...that is the time to be VERY impatient...the time for patience is BEFORE you buy...i am one of those on the sidelines who have been waiting for the right time to buy...but if fcel r/s and gives me the perfect opportunity to short it instead, then i have no problem saying i will short the living snot out of it....
"They just keep covering and then adding more on top to hold down the price so they never have to cover."
shorts keep covering so they will never have to cover?...
almost a year ago, shareholders voted to increase a/s by 500 mil shares...hedgehog and others stated this was necessary for fcel to grow, build, persevere and raise the pps...
well here we are a year later...43 cents and dilution has not helped one bit...
now facing a delisting from nasdaq, a r/s is being requested to avoid dropping down to the OTC...and quite possibly, oblivion....
without a r/s, shareholders will likely lose money...with a r/s, shareholders will likely lose money...
nice choice...
"Ever consider they're pushing for people to vote so they can get the votes in and prove to the SEC They requested a reverse split it was shot down and now they need to request an extension to which they expect to get the share price over $1 and back in compliance without doing the reverse split if given the extension? Or did you not consider that"
more reading comprehension issues?...
its not the SEC thats involved in the r/s...its NASDAQ...and no, i doubt anyone has ever considered your ridiculous suggestion...begging the nasdaq for an extension because your shareholders refused to allow a reverse split?...the stock has dropped to 43 cents....maybe a better way would be to fire your ceo for the utter incompetence that he has displayed and then hire a competent one....THEN ask for an extension...
did you ever consider THAT one?...
Talk about reading comprehension…
When plug announced they were selling equipment to raise cash and you thought that was just wonderful?…
It wasn’t…and investors with good reading comprehension knew that…
“Hydrogen News: LA Welcomes New Refueling Station!”
They announced it last month and it didn’t help at all…so they set up a podium with a couple of low level politicians speaking to no one and announced it again…
And again, no one cares..
How many times are they going to announce the opening of this single hydrogen truck stop?…
They already announced it was open and operating on Aug 12…
“we will need to seek additional funds, primarily through the issuance of debt or equity securities for cash to operate our business."
Yup…they will mass produce and have revenues but that may not be enough…so they will dilute…
But with tonnage and revenue and contracts and collaborations comes a much higher pps…if they have to dilute at a dollar per share or above, I couldn’t care less…
You can scare the children but you don’t frighten anyone who knows what they are doing…
"That's very good news"
oh yea!...when a company starts selling off its equipment for cash to keep its head above water, its always "very good news"...
SMGDH
well there was the long anticipated big cut to the interest rate...the one that was supposed to be so good for fcel...down 4%....smh
"Anyone here ever run a company trying to break into a long standing market? Or manage finances for $200M company? "
only CEO's can offer up criticism of a CEO's inept and poor performance?...SMH
ive never played in the NFL but i know a shitty quarterback when i see one...when a QB cant run or throw and has crappy stats, hes just a shitty QB...
Few is a shitty CEO...
" Maybe Few should kick the Fed where it counts, or something!"
Few should be kicking a can down the road...I have been saying that since 20 bucks a share...and you have been singing his praises forever...and now the pps is 50 cents facing a delisting and needing a dreaded r/s and you STILL think hes awesome...
SMGDH
“This 1.6B is pursuit of exactly what NKLA needs”
It’s in pursuit of fertilizer…Nkla needs fertilizer?…
Wabash was mentioned in a Nkla filing 20 months ago…it hasn’t been mentioned again in any filings since?…has Nkla received any hydrogen from them?…
why is nkla backing the manufacture of what is essentially fertilizer?...or are they backing the Gov handing out welfare checks to large companies?...
"The project has received backing from hydrogen vehicle startup Nikola Corp."
backing from a failing company?.....yup, that'll do it...
"shorts borrowing my shares...last time this happened was last fall....hmm interesting"
when the pps was about 7-8 bucks?...and now its 1.95?...so you are expecting a big drop?.....
from the first link:
"As of the second quarter, the stock is held by 11 hedge funds and the stakes amount to $3.28 million."
oh wow...LOL
and the last link is regurgitated stuff from 7 mths ago...
i always wanted to visit Ireland...but all i could afford was to do was rent Darby O'Gill and the little people while sipping Irish Whiskey...unfortunately i never saw how it ended...or remember much in between for that matter...
"Do you really trust this guy?"
what in anything i have said ever gave you that impression?....i dont TRUST either one of them...
"I don't give a flying #&* about what he didn't start in the 4 years he jerked us around."
well you seem convinced he will start ww3 if elected but he didnt during his first term...thats simply a fact...whether you like it or not...and its puts your claim about him starting ww3 as nothing but drama...
as for the "debate", im not really particularly interested...i didnt watch it...its nonsense anyway...its like watching wrestling...they both claim they won and the other cheated...lol...its all fake...i prefer watching one on one interviews with respected and knowledgeable interviewers...
"And yes he VETOED it. . So the guy who talks about stopping illegal immigration at the border, vetoes a bill, signed by both houses that would have."
you mean Biden and Kamala HAD to let in all the terrorists and criminals?...they were forced to?...because Trump Vetoed a immigration bill that had a bunch of crap in it that he didnt want?...
"That one needs a full explation."
oh really?...a immigration bill that Trump didnt sign because he wasnt letting in terrorists and criminals anyway needs to be explained?....but Biden and Kamala letting in 11 mil people including hundreds of thousands of terrorists and criminals needs no explanation?...in fact, lets vote to keep that on-going?...
Wonderful…that certainly clears it up…SMH
I have no idea what this even means…
“HE VETOED IT”
It wouldn’t have tightened up anything…Biden and Kamala have let hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists into this country…and she will continue to allow that…there’s just no getting around that…and that ain’t good..
“He'll serve up WW3"
You bet. Even his Generals have said he's a whacko.”
The fact is, the same thing was said before he became president and it did not happen…just a lot of drama…
“The leaders including those of China, Russia, and his " friend" loonie in N.Korea are playing him.”
In what way?…For what purpose?…he hasn’t been president for 4 years…
“Anyone putting trust in this guys hands is out to lunch. ”
Well it’s him or that dizzy broad who has no clue…I KNOW what kind of president he was…he wasn’t great but he wasn’t horrible…
Kamala?…all the terrorists, despots and presidents for life will cheer if she’s elected…
MORE letters?...because that has worked so well previously?...lol
62 lawmakers?...thats it??....there are 435 congressmen and 50 senators....but all they could muster was 62 lawmakers?...
gee...so all the others are against or dont give a crap?...
what a shock the 45v is taking so long...
what happened to the decision the supremes came up with in the Chevron ruling?...i thought that was supposed to light a fire and get the 45v rolling......apparently not...
"The leaders of the world are laughing at him"
they are laughing at America in general...they are likely astonished at our open borders policy and laughing at us as they send us all their criminals and terrorists...
"He'll serve up WW3"
he didnt the last time...in fact the world was rather peaceful...Russia invaded Ukraine during Obama and took parts of it...then with Biden, Russia invaded Ukraine again...but Trump will serve up ww3?...neither Russia, N.Korea nor anyone else dared to do anything when Trump was president...now we have Russian invasions and Middle East conflicts...will they fear Kamala?...
"When he threatens to jail his opponents"
well, its what they tried to do to him...so i cant say that an outrageous statement...doubt he would even try though...just a waste of time...
"condoned Jan 6th"
not sure about that...
"says if he isn't elected they'll be a "blood bath"
lol
" lies"
a politician who lies?...shocker...
"tries to illegally overthrow the results of an election"
more drama..
"and is convicted of 34 felonies"
that was all hogwash...manufactured crimes...you could do the same thing with just about every politician and wealthy person...
Trump says a lot of stupid shit...its part of what makes him a nut job...
"A professor whose class Trump attended, recalled him saying " he was the dumbest person he ever taught".
and yet he became a multi billionaire...sounds more like the most ignorant statement ever made by a professor....i wonder how much the professor is worth...
And what would be the catalysts for this turn?…
“If it means the difference between saving the democracy from an authoritarian dictator who put us in the dark ages”
Well I don’t think a Trump win is all that dramatic…he WAS president not so long ago and democracy didn’t collapse and we most certainly were not in the dark ages…
The best I can hope from either candidate is to keep things from falling apart until we have have a chance to vote for more capable candidates…
"FCE is a buy at Zacks !"
yup...that'll do it...lol
its not just stock market taxes...she wants to raise the tax on everything and start taxing unrealized gains as well...and use that money to give free health care, phones, housing and massages to 11 mil illegal aliens...WTH?..
im not a big fan of Trump either...hes a nut job...but Kamala is a clueles clown....great choice we have this time around...a nut job or an idiot...i just hope we can survive the next 4 years and we have better choices next time...Kamala will NEVER get a second term in office and Trump CANT run again...
i really dont care which one likes alt energy and who doesnt...the country has far bigger problems than that...
“It'll be reflected in the sh/px of the leaders. But who will gain ?”
No one…she’ll tax away anyone’s gains…
"Otherwise you wouldn't keep dropping bulletpoints in every paid post you create."
maybe thats because im trying to make a point and not just asking silly questions or making silly accusations...