of course my message was deleted but his wasn't. Interesting. I even pointed out that you had valid concerns about the company. It's ok to insult a poster ,incorrectly I might add, but not ok to defend them. Just because your not a cheerleader doesn't mean your not for positive company growth, spelling and grammar excepted.

You just corrected a correct use of the word hear. Maybe you should learn to read. Then maybe people will take you seriously. He has valid points, your just a cheerleader.

smartest post of the day. I don't know much but I do know this is dead on.

Who did he sell them to? I would be interested to know who took on these series C convertibles with their voting rights. He sold them to somebody who either knows what they're doing or bought a bill of goods so to speak.

p.s. I'm afraid you are probably on target with your DD as per your message to me.

p.p.s. How do you go about doing your DD? I'm impressed starting with your rants a couple of months ago against Tom at which point I thought we're just irrational attacks brought on by a personal matter. Turns out you were mostly right about the direction of the stock then and have no reason to doubt you now. I would hope for something better for SWVC but the stink is becoming more and more like a dead mouse left in a corner for too long.

My girlfriend would never agree to that, let alone my wife!!!!

That is a huge risk that SWVC would be taking then in order to speculate on the profitability of the GS family.

Your talking months and not years???? before the big payoff?

Maybe. I'm not close enough to know what that would take. I can't see them moving though without some kind of increased payoff though. Maybe if someone had 2.7 million to buy down their notes......

No I don't. I mean I understand that the pps would increase temporarily but that would be insane. There would be no assurances of a stable pps. Tom would just give 2.7 mil to SWVC without any type of collateral or asset changing hands?

I could see him loaning the money to SWVC and SWVC paying off the CD's (in my dreams).

The CD's would then be paid off from the new funding. If only and I wish.

The speculation is getting complicated, but SWVC would have to give TS something for his investment of 2.7 mil. He (probably) wouldn't just give his cash back to SWVC just for the tax consequences alone. What does SWVC have to give? Or maybe he backdoors it through GS by buying a bigger stake there prior to the assumed merger or purchase. If that is the answer, that would amount to a bit of a shell game. Big speculation here. Anyone with more solid ideas than I have?

I agree he is too entrenched to cash and bail. But he does still own a lot of SWVC. Why not just take the cash?

details to be seen, of course, but I think CDs will be moved to the parent in GS leaving profitable subs to flourish, be "moved" perhaps...

CD holders will no longer cash in on burgeoning businesses at "embryo" deal conversion rates. Parent shareholders will be compensated at FMV with shares in subs/cash and the agreed (and increasingly profitable) assets will move to SWVC.

What kind of financial gymnastics would this take to pull off? Seems to me that the CD holders would have to agree to this type of shift.

you don't want to answer the question fine, don't respond, but to anyone else, could this happen during the trading day?

That wasn't the question. Does anyone know of an occurrence of this during the trading day? I'm buying the software upgrade over the holiday glitch, but is this possible during the trading day realistically?

I wasn't implying conspiracy. Maybe they need a deeper backup system that allows for these errors/mistakes. Has there ever been an error like this during the trading day that you know of?

I'll take all I can get at Tuesday's close btw.

Is it Tom's money or is it SWVC? Tom wouldn't need to reinvest this at all in SWVC if it is his money. tia

Industry wide screw-up? Weird.

All of my stock prices are as of yesterday on Scottrade. Someone hit the wrong button or something.

Wow. This is brutal. You have no respect for Tom do you? I'm afraid I more agree than disagree with you, unfortunately.

2. The Hackett Purchase ------ He told the shareholders that he would let it go forward with out Certified Audits and that 1 1 1/2 M would be paid as a DP -- Keyword --- (would) - I would like to see a copy of that check to Old Man Hackett for 1 1/2 M -- Doesn't exist IMO - Is the Money in Escrow? Could be! But -- When Audits are done, Tom can simply say that they are not to his approval and the Escrow Money will be returned to him.

When you first went ballistic a couple of months ago I thought it was sour grapes. It turned out you were mostly right though.

I'm afraid you might be right this time too.

P.S. It was funny to see everyone cheer your return here after that 1st emotional explosion and then expulsion.

How long do you think this bounce will last? Nothing has fundamentally changed. How much more dilution for cornholio is on the way? or any dilution? It doesn't seem to be done yet. A A lot of math has been spilled on this board pumping that the dilution is over but...more dilution happens when we've mathed it out that is over. My confidence in SWVC has not been restored due to the PR. It almost seems like he is grasping at straws trying to buoy the stock for more dilution.

I guess this post seems kind of bashy.

What troubles me is he is doing everything that is required and then some it seems, yet, the stock is not getting off the ground. What is the hitch in the giddy up? Dilution? Are we being told the whole story?

The PR is encouraging but it is only that, an encouraging PR. And desperate sounding. I see more down days before the new upswing begins.

Please prove me wrong SWVC. My hope is for this stocks success. I wish my position was as strong as hucklberry.

over 1 billion?

Would you like some more kool aid? Dilution is death currently.

So nobody else should ever call or contact Tom if they are reading this board? I don't recall pitching my money in a big pot and buying my shares collectively with anyone. Just saying. It sounds kind of like a desperate distraction to keep from focusing on share price or some other fundamentals. Kind of lazy too. I would feel better just simply doing my own DD.

I appreciate everyone else's input of their DD that has been posted here. I certainly haven't contributed any serious DD to the board or any at all really but if I wanted to understand more about the company that I invested in I'd be better off doing my own DD and so would everybody else.

This is the kind of thing that should scare everybody. Wisdom of the crowds is not all it's cracked up to be. Do your own DD on your own stock purchases.

NO! Wal-mart did NOT start off as a penny stock

That's not what the email said.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Scozzafava <tscozzafava@greenshift.com>
Date: Nov 15, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Tom, Please Read
To: Kyle Gudgeon <kgudgeon@gmail.com>


I do not have $5mm in cash available, or I would, indeed, consider what
you suggested.

Hackett's funding for WiseBuys store conversions and additional store
expansion being sought. Nothing 100% yet ....

When there is a definitive (ie firm) commitment for funding, I will
certainly announce that. Too preliminary at this point.

Thanks

Tom

Kyle Gudgeon wrote:
> Tom, just a question, I honestly don't know if this would be inside
> information, but you have 5 million, why can't you pay off your debts
> with that so we dont see OS increase? Thanks.
>
> Also, there has been rumors you have obtained funding for Hacketts
> expansion already? True, not true, inside info?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Kyle Gudgeon

Really? Keep my on topic comments to myself? Another thing I must have missed, I thought that the money for the Wisebuy's conversion to Hackett's was already secured. Not according to the email received from Tom to kgeezy's email. Just a question not a bash not a pump.

Even though everything is received on time (8k, 10QSB, time lines met as stated in pr's) what the heck is going on with the share price? .016 or .017 today. What don't we know that is causing this? Or do we know what is causing this and don't want to acknowledge it? I certaintly don't know. From most of what I read and research I like this company. Solid progress, brick and mortar storefronts with active stores. Other no reason to doubt acquisitions on the way. So why is the share price tanking, omg, dude?

I have to agree. Who is looking over these things? I assume it is capable accountants but the 8k and this 10qsb had what I would call serious reporting errors, correctable, but serious. I would hope that I wouldn't allow an important report like this go out without absolute certainty that it was correct.

Where does it say this?

DO NOT BUY THIS STOCK

Dude, I just hope he doesn't send someone to Taze you Bro.

I mean, I can understand the frustration, but leave out the dude, dude. Kgeezy is that really his response? or is it edited?

Dude. lol

you grow one first and show us how it's done.

So, Tom replied "Dude"????


wtf very professional.

Thank you for that response. Nice perspective. Somewhat reassuring and seemingly true based on all I've been able find out and what is available to the public. I've done DD yet I am a little skittish. Looking at the last 3 run ups, each time there seemed to be dilution sold into them of which we found out about a day or two later after the run was done. Except for the last one on Friday. The dilution was reported during the run.

ps: I thought the original question was polite.

That you answer the question. What is your goal?

Any predictions on the pps? I'm having a hard time holding with the dilution and weird upward fluctuations that occurs just before each dilution is announced.

So, the dilution is ok with you? neutral question.

Ok sorry, couldn't resist responding to the nonsense. I should have. My ego sucks.

So, what happens with an FTD? What kind of penalties are there for this? Reading the regulations, the penalty doesn't seem that harsh?

find one worth voting for and I'm with you. Ron Paul almost counts.

I agree, I should have never started, I apologize to everyone here, dem repub, lib, progressive, and any other persuasion. How can I delete my posts?

Yeah, and they should learn to spell. 9/11. Nothing vague about reality. Just not worth trying to educate those with blinders on. Just remember 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. The repubs answer to everything.

"I believe fish and people can coexist peacefully" George Bush

"Everyone should have a taller slice of pie" paraphrase but George Bush during a debate.

Paraphrase again but, "People should be able to put food on their family" George Bush

"If the UN doesn't approve this bill, we will go in there on our own" George Bush to the Spanish president at Crawford Texas.

Coalition of the willing, Who is that again?