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STEALING TAGLINES!!!!!
The most heinous crime online! Do you have any idea the pain you've caused? <g
Perhaps I'll share some of mine...again.
These are just a few from the Dragon section...
"Am I seeing things or is that a dragon?"
"Dragon HORDE? I thought y'said Dragon HOARD!"
"I'M FIGHTING THE DRAGON!"
"I'm rich, I'm rich." --PC "Yes, very tasty." --Dragon
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons."
"Oh, man! You killed my dragon. You guys are going to pay!" - DM
"Where's that damn dragon?"
* <- Benalish Hero . <- Benalish Hero vs Shivan Dragon
...and never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.
A Mage with a machine gun beats your three dragons
AD&D Famous Last Words: "Am I seeing things or is that a dragon?"
Always speak politely to an enraged Dragon...
Anything not nailed down is a Dragon toy...
DM: Behind the door is a red dragon. PC: I close the door!
Dragonriders are Weyr'd!
Dragonriders of PERV! I don't want to hear this one.
Famous Last Words #2: "But it's only a LITTLE red dragon..."
Famous Last Words #35: "Watch me goose that sleeping dragon..."
Famous Last Words #43: "Damn, Tiamat - you're one UGLY dragon..."
Famous Last Words: "Dragon? What dragon?"
Famous Last Words: "Watch me goose that sleeping dragon"
Famous Last Words: "Dragon? What dragon?"
Famous Last Words: "I know that's an illusionary dragon!"
Grandma got run over by a dragon...
Have you hugged your Dragon today?
He who hesitates at the wrong time is lunch for a Dragon...
I gotta' get back to Reality...now where is that stupid Blue dragon?
I point the wand at the dragon. DM: You die PC: WHAT!? DM: Wrong end.
I'd like to see you dismount the dragon and say that!
I'd rather be riding a dragon.
If you'll bring the marshmallows, I'll bring the dragon!
Just remember, sometimes the dragon wins.
Never ask a red dragon if he has a light...
NEVER extend credit to a dragon.
Never french kiss a dragon...
Never stand in front of a sneezing dragon.
NEW from Ralston Purina: Priest/Mage flavored DRAGON CHOW!
Only Munchkins ask "how many spectral dragons?"
Paladin: canned food for dragons.
Players Defense #7: "Avoid Sneezing Dragons..."
Puff the magic Dragon Livin in the Tree.
Slaying foul maidens and rescuing fair dragons!
Swords are pointless without Dragons..
The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming dragon!
Those who live by the dragon die by the dragonlance.
weak voice from under the dragon "He can't get me,... I'm under him."
The Bird of Prey
what movie was it from? Dragonslayer?
It's been so long, I don't remember exactly, but I do think you are right...partly. The first part may be from that movie. The second part is definitely from the deranged mind of an old BBS'er of long ago. It was a very popular tag in the D&D related threads...it probably still is.
May you never be annoyed.
The Bird of Prey
And our first award winner...
For violating TOU with an Alias...
Ch*r*k!
I believe the term is a derogatory reference to the male sex organ in the Czech language. It is considered an insult in many European countries. It's English equivalent is one of many overused and unnecessary vulgarities in American culture.
The Bird of Prey
Mornin' Bob,
Comment on the new #msg feature...
I actually like it when accessing a link within a message opens a new window, is there any way we could have this as an option when using the shorthand?
Comment on revealing site stats (ie joemoney wamts more)...
Don't send him to me, tell him to use what's available and do the math himself. Besides, I'm only tracking posting stats, not the actual traffic, though I believe there is a correlation.
On a related note though, it would be nice if the "Active Boards" was a list of those boards with the most traffic in the last 24 hours. Actually what JM wanted gave me an idea (uh-oh!)...what if "Active Boards" were broken out into two or three subcategories? Say, most recent posts (the current setup), most in last 24 hours and most in last 7 days? You wouldn't need to provide any more statistical information than you already provide, yet users could see what was really an Active Board "at a Glance"
Thoughts?
The Bird of Prey
Somehow I think you might have a different view if there were 50-100 Private messages in your mailbox tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...
The Bird of Prey
PS Not a threat, just pointing out that some folks will do such a thing for the sole purpose of annoying another.
PPS Original version of the Tagline is...
NEVER anger a Dragon, for thou art crunchy...and go well with Brie.
KK,
The only point of import is that Bob and Matt have actually looked at the idea and have it under consideration. In it's final form it may look nothing like what was originally proposed or it may remain unaltered. I am a patient fellow and will give the management the appropriate amount of time to consider their options and take whatever action they deem appropriate.
I do appreciate your support, especially since you recently considered my comments in a most unfavorable light.
Thank you,
The Bird of Prey
You are correct in that a situation such as you described could lead to a lawsuit. However, that is a topic quite different from the one Bob and I were discussing. You are addressing the issue of moderated vs. unmoderated boards. This issue has been bandied about here at IH almost from it's inception. the pro's and con's evaluated from every perspective. As a result the current system seems to be functioning as intended and the necessary checks and balances to prevent the situation you describe are in place. TMK, IH is currently free of such an occurrence.
Additionally, It would equally as distressing to discover a short manipulator was distributing illegally obtained inside information via a 'protected' thread while promoting a website and newsletter where subscribers could also take part and benefit from the illegal activities.
That is more than merely possible and some aggressive federal prosecutors are exploring those possibilities as we speak.
The Bird of Prey
See how easy that was?
Just don't make "later" too far into the future! <g>
The Bird of Prey
I apologize in advance, It is not my intent to push you into another "exchange". But I feel compelled to respond to your reasoning. Perhaps, if you wish we can agree to call a temporary halt to the debate to give you more time to get ready. But, this is not an issue that will just "go away" if you "ignore" it long enough. (pun intended)
1. Even if I did decide to do so, it'd be a long time before I got to it.
Prioritizing is a good thing. Would that we could always follow our original priorities. Perhaps things will change that make this more or less of a priority. What is important is that it is ON the LIST!
2. It's a lot of work.
So is Due Diligence. your not suggesting that work should be avoided because it's involved are you?
3. It smacks too much of acknowledging that some people are just too immature to exist on a site otherwise.
Not truly relevant. There are people too immature to not make prank phone calls. But then the phone company does have a feature called call blocking.
4. I'd rather the people in item 3 just weren't here. That's a wish I probably can't have, though.
We agree on something. You know what they say, "You can't make something idiot proof, because they keep making better idiots!"
I'm sure the makers of Preparation H wish that they didn't have to put "NOT to be taken Orally" on every package.
5. The kind of traffic I'm aiming for (and having some success with) is comprised of people who really are just here to talk about stocks and conduct themselves in a way that makes it apparent flamewars just simply won't erupt with them. As usual, I cite the AIM folks as the prime example. They're an excellent example of "No Bull, Just Beef".
Absolutely, but you still have the (lets call them the #3's) element. They are already here and more are on the way. Even if you were able to purge the site of them (ala a pogrom), they would be replaced by others, like Doritos they keep making more.
6. Like on RB, an Ignore feature can be and will be misused and harmful to the people who use it. For example "Everyone, put so-and-so on Ignore because they're lying about this tenth-cent stock that'll go to $100 soon." Though it's not my job to protect fools from themselves, I'm also not too keen on putting the bullets in the gun they're holding to their portfolio's head.
No, It's not your job. Further have you considered the level of foolishness your describing?
1. They've bought a POS.
2. They're still listening to the shyster that sold them on buying the POS.
3. They cut off anyone that tries to tell them they are in a POS because the shyster that sold them on it told them to.
4. They make the following sound "BAAAAAA!"
Face it, you CAN"T do anything to help them. whether they can still see the post of an "honest negative poster" or not isn't going to make one whit of difference. More often than not the "portfolio" isn't worth the paper it's printed on (standard white $2.49 a ream).
Having the ability to ignore isn't going to make things any worse. They are dead already.
But we digress, the feature we were discussing would not be available for general use. It could not be used as you describe in #6.
Remember, only admin would be able to impose the "public" ignore and posting restriction that goes with it. USERS would only be able to ignore PM's. Unless a basher is spamming the PM feature this ignore would have no effect on his/her message being seen.
In a perfect world we wouldn't ever need to use the call blocking from AT&T, but isn't comforting to know that if you ever need to...you can?
The Bird of Prey
Well,
Since the Microcaps fundamentals are largely irrelevant you would be correct in leaving them out of the equation. However your short term trading logs can be useful in developing a screen for short term trades. What you will need to to is expand the parameters for inclusion in the sample base somewhat. Say perhaps adding what were the fundamentals 3 months and 6 months prior to purchase. again sorting out the winners and looking for similarities. You'll be surprised at how many of your winners will fall into a particular category. Excel is particularly adept at manipulating a list in this fashion. once the data is input you can determine a great deal just by categorizing the list according to one or more criteria.
One of the things I did was to input all of the data for my winning trades that were used by many of the various screening tools on the Web into an Excel Spreadsheet. Then I used the list analyzing tools to include the greatest number of my winning trades in a final result. I then made note of the parameters used to produce that list and used that as my new screening parameters.
It reduced my screen results from 150-200 down to 15-20. Much easier to review the charts of 15-20 than 150-200 each night. It left adequate time to do sufficient DD on the 3-4 that charted well.
The Bird of Prey
Then why not implement User Specific Block? Or for that matter Ignore?
If the effect on traffic is so miniscule, and with no ranking system to be manipulated by Ignores or Marking, what good reason is there not to have it?
It can make some users *feel* better about the site. It may even make some people behave better!
So it's a bear to program, but once it's setup is the maintenance for it anything significant? your previous mentions of this problem haven't indicated so. How much of a demand on the servers is it anyway? To read your posts it sounds like one of the top 25,000 sites on the net (traffic rating) is only using 1-2% of its capacity. Would ignore raise that by 50%? double? triple? or only 10%? even at tripling we are talking 3-6% of capacity.
What we have is a feature that your competitors have, you have an opportunity to improve on it, equal it or cast it aside. You appear to be ready to cast it aside. The only reason I'm picking up for this is that it's not worth the effort to program it in (In your opinion).
I deliberately did not carry the lawsuit example to the extreme, but it is possible that cyberstalking could turn into real stalking with disastrous results. Imagine the publicity exposure from that kind of news item.
We know it's not "just because I'm asking" and we know it's not because of the an impact on traffic. It shouldn't be because it's too difficult to program. What other reason(s) can there be to refuse to implement Ignore or USer Specific block? At least on PM's!
The Bird of Prey
It's almost a game to them.
Nope, it IS a game to them. No *almost* about it.
In the example you cited, it would have been appropriate to identify (and obvious) who the problem was...and friend or not suspension and possibly termination was warranted.
User Specific Block would have made the *nightmare* go away. think about it.
The Bird of Prey
Price is irrelevant. Market cap irrelevant. Looking for stocks that will provide return on investment over a long period of time with either dividends, growth or both.
No wonder you have so many stocks to do DD on! You must narrow the field with specifics.
My suggestion: (this goes for everyone)
It would be a valuable use of your time to review your trading logs for the last year or more. Make note of the relative fundamentals of your winners at the time of purchase, Price, mrktcap, EPS, PEG, SPS, BV, DIV (yes/no and %), so on and so forth. Look for any similarities. All have mrktcap over $1B? All priced between $20 and $50? EPS over 10 but less than 20?
Get the picture?
The really adventurous will do this with the losing positions as well. Learn what to avoid or sell short.
We are all "Looking for stocks that will provide return on investment over a long period of time with either dividends, growth or both.". Let's help each other figure out better ways to find them.
The Bird of Prey
PS It would be really exciting if everyone contributed to forming the sample base by providing the above info on the stocks they bought over the last few years. No need to tell everyone when or what you sold at or even if you never sold just something like this:
Example only not real figures
Winner
IBM @ $30, 14EPS, 1.1PEG, SPS1.1, BV $28, debt $100M, MC $3B etc.
Thoughts?
You must have typed and then erased, this is a new (to me) take on the "ignore" feature. I agree with you that most of the folks that *should* get ignored really need to be terminated. In a perfect world that would happen. Unfortunately, the real world sees too many that need to be gone still hanging around spewing filth, stalking, and generally making life difficult for more than a few members of the community.
I thought that one of your reasons against "ignore" was the hiding of messages didn't help towards the goal of more posting (therefore more traffic). I would definitely add the hiding of each others posts to the "User Specific Block" as I described earlier.
Personally I would even expand it to allow individual users to impose it on PM's ONLY. this would effectively put and end to stalking and harassment.
If she can't see what he writes; If he can't post to her directly; If he can't send her private messages; and vice versa, what is the point of stalking?
I've tried to figure out a way for a stalker to beat this, I'm not finding any wy to get around it, but I'm not much of a stalker to begin with.
I'm really not looking at this as a way to end flame wars. I seriously doubt that is actually possible. But NO ONE should have to tolerate a stalker.
I understand the concerns with programming overhead, but lets very this from another angle. Suppose some nice lady is cyberstalked while using IH and decides that IH is somehow responsible for not providing adequate safeguards. A lawsuit is filed. Win, lose or draw, one lawsuit could involve more overhead cost than having to do the programming three times over (once; for the lost time dealing with the suit, twice; for ending up writing the program anyway, thrice; the lost time you could have been doing something else instead of having to writ the dang thing now!).
Given the litigious nature of this society, the above scenario is not that farfetched. Remember someone sued McDonald's because she spilled coffee in her own lap!
The Bird of Prey
Screening is a defite(sp) topic we should discuss at some point.
Why "at some point"? Is not now as good a time as any? We are entering the summer slowdown. Activity is slowing everywhere. Would not NOW be the perfect time to exchange ideas in order to be better prepared come the fall when things pick up?
for the "actions speak louder than words department" I'll start with the following;
1. Before you can create a screen you must know what output is desired. The screen for potential short sells will be decidedly different from a screen for long term buys.
2. You must decide what price range you wish to explore first the other parameters can be greatly affected by the selected price range. (there aren't many multi-biliion dollar marketcaps selling for less than $5!).
3. Review your successful picks to develop a successful screen. (what do your winners have in common and find other stocks with the same qualities.)
This kind of information is much more useful than merely posting one's selections (or rejections). By exposing one's parameters, improvements may be suggested and variations that are more successful can be found.
The Bird of Prey
Oh, what to do.
I have an idea, and maybe we can open the minds of a couple of site owners at the same time.
IF you look closely you'll see that JM gets to rambling when antagonized by NW. Once the ball is rolling anything can and usually does get said.
I am not going to suggest that you put in the ignore feature here. Everybody knows you and Bob are just dead set against it.
As an alternative though I suggest IH take the old SI "you don't post to each other" agreement a step further.
Call it "User Specific Block". You (the Admin) have control. When engaged, USB will prevent two users from posting to or replying to posts made by each other. All other posting is as normal. They can still post "about" each other, just not directly to each other.
Benefits:
1. Admin can "separate" two combatants, thus terminating a flame war.
2. Admin can end the ability of a stalker to stalk
3. Admin can determine easily if either or both parties need to be punished further by their continuation in posting "about" the other party instead of Stocks.
4. Can serve as an early warning punishment that doesn't involve the embarrassment of a suspension or the finality of termination.
5. Admin would have a record of an individuals involvement in "conflicts", thus would be able to view "at a glance" if a user is a problem child or if it is a rare event.
Drawbacks:
1. It may be a bear to program. then again maybe not. If you can "restrict" a user from certain boards why not "restrict" a user from certain users?
2. Admin may get requests for "blocking" in greater numbers than he is prepared to cope with.
The primary purpose of the USB is to put an end to stalking. JM is complaining about a stalker. And this isn't the first time NW has been accused of stalking.
I'm not saying JM is perfect or the best user at IH, but he may have a point here.
Please consider this, and do be so kind as to offer the courtesy of a timely reply.
The Bird of Prey
To each his own, I always say.
Being a meat eater myself I have nothing against vegans. I do know a few that take it to the extreme. One young lady will immediately void the contents of her stomach upon discovering that the utensils that prepared her meal were used on meat products. Not a pretty picture.
I guess I should make my own submission, though I'm not having a very creative day, productive yes...creative no.
IHUB - Just the Facts, Ma'am... No Raging.
The Bird of Prey
No Bull, Just Beef.
On the one hand it's pretty good. Plays on several different levels. Speaks to several different groups (RB haters, real investors, Bears, etc.).
On the other hand, it can be easily misunderstood. For example it might turn off some BUllish investors thinking they weren't welcome at IH. And it is certain to offend the vegetarians!
The Bird of Prey
I don't know if I'm the wolverine or the badger. Whichever of the two is better-looking.
ROFTLMBO...Bob is easy to spot...he's the one in the yellow spandex!
Besides, given the mythical nature of our mutual histories...mythical beasts would be more appropriate. I've got dibs on dragon. The only other fire breather in that league would have to be a Balrog. What say ye? Does the image of a huge creature wreathed in flame with a flaming whip suit you?
The Bird of Prey
PS There's another word to add to the spell check...Balrog.
Only a 7DMA?
Such a short term! Next thing you know you'll be running an hourly check and then a minute by minute accounting...just like trading in those volatile penny issues! <g
Your figures were more accurate than mine, although yours were a tad on the low end. Not much though.
Not bad since all I have for input are the site stats and time stamps on posts. Oh! I also did the calculation by hand...the old fashioned way.
Glad you fixed your "rookie error". I'd just call it a typo and move on.
I'm still expecting IH to peak on Alexa next month. After that it will likely drop slightly...not much...just a wee bit.
And that probably isn't a bad thing.
The Bird of Prey
You know, the people I find myself arguing with the most vehemently are often those who're the most like me. <g
We share a great deal in common. It's just that where we differ, we're polar opposites...at least in our own minds. <g
The Bird Of Prey
Gary,
Would you believe there are people that still claim A@P is some kind of "good guy"?
This indictment and these follow up comments made in court provide solid evidence that you and I were right on the money with our comments about short selling last September and October. Congratulations or Condolences (not sure which) are in order. I really had hoped we were wrong, instead it looks like we had a blueprint of the operation. Usually I revel in "being right", this time it feels more like an indictment of society as a whole.
If I were someone that had been involved in Mr. Elgindy's operation in any way I'd be terrified right now. As the prosecutor said, "The investigation continues... more serious charges may yet be filed."
Likewise for anyone involved in an operation similar to Mr. Elgindy's.
The Bird of Prey
One thing I forgot to mention...
Cranberry juice supposedly helps reduce the buildup of the oxalate. It's also supposed to help with urinary tract infections as well.
From what I've been told by my doc and from what I've read on the subject, it's the oxalate that's the problem not the calcium. I still get the daily requirement of calcium.
I should mention I've been on this low oxalate regimen for nine years. It took two for the stones that had already formed to work their way out of my system...and the last one was a monster.
Of course if you are one of the unlucky few that form stones of a different nature...well, let's just say I wouldn't wish this kind of pain on my worst enemy.
The Bird of Prey
About Kidney stones...
I've debated offering the following due to your predisposition to dismiss anything I say. But, it is not my nature to withhold information for spite.
Calcium oxalate - the substance of that which we call "kidney stones" is found in many foods and beverages. According to numerous studies, reducing the intake of foods and beverages high in oxalate content, coupled with an increase in personal hydration have been shown to reduce the occurrence of "kidney stones".
The following is a list of some of the foods and beverages highest in oxalate content. This information can be confirmed with any urologist.
Tea
Coffee
caramel (especially that used in sodas with a dark color)
beer
chocolate
spinach
rhubarb
This list is by no means comprehensive and if you have difficulties with kidney stones you should consult a doctor. In my own experience though, since eliminating the above from my diet I have have been completely free from the formation of kidney stones for seven years (verified by x-rays) after having suffered with them from my early twenties.
The Bird of Prey
PS May you have a full and complete recovery.
Perhaps if you'd *ask* "the question" rather than trying to make me guess it in one of your equally long-winded diatribes.
To the new "The Question", I also answer in the negative. I have never profited from the manipulation of a stock being manipulated by a shorting consortium.
Clear enough? Or will "The Question" change now?
Well, four tries are all you get. Besides that is about as close to a straight answer as you are capable of. Of course you've already left yourself an out by not mentioning anything about not doing so in the future. One note: since your reaction was so strongly negative the first time this was put to you I had no other option but to try and phrase the question differently to elicit the answer. You could be more cooperative and just give a straight answer in the first place but that has never been your style.
my quote
"Further, in my own experience, regardless of the topic "bashers" can be just as active in flaunting the rules as "touts"."
Your reply
That could very well be the case on Yahoo and Raging Bull. I've seen it myself on Yahoo numerous times.
That was certainly not the case at SI. Would your "own experience" perchance include background being the administrator at a site for which people had to pay to be able to post?
OOOHHHH! Here comes that "I am superior to you" play. We are finally getting closer to the "real" you. Besides I have as much experience and therefore the ability to examine a site (as you have with Yahoo and RB) and make a call like the above as you. And SI is and was just as even in it's distribution of violators as any other site.
my quote
"Ask yourself this question...
Did I ever log on to anyones BBS as a user? Before I started my own? Ever get in flame wars as a user? Ever have a group to help you fight those flame wars?"
your reply
You apparently think it's amusing to try to "keep me guessing" where your vendetta originated, but it really isn't. It's disingenuous. How about just coming out and saying it, or is candidly saying what's on your mind not your style? Actually, I suspect that the fact is that this vendetta has a recently failed penny stock as its origin. It does seem to be what you focus on.
Pretty pathetic to imply that I somehow wronged you over 15 years ago and it only bugged you enough a year ago to start getting your vengeance for it.
So, what board was it you ran that I supposedly called more than 15 years ago to cause you grief? I'm especially curious since I only called local boards.
Actually until a year ago I had completely forgotten about you. You never came up in any of the circles I travel in. I was asked to come help defend IH from an "invasion of SI ne'er do well's" and didn't expect to find you at the bottom of the woodpile. It is good to know you haven't changed much. Still have that "programmers are superior to users" mindset. We both know that many BBS's shared newsgroups and that one of the things that was cool was being able to converse over such long distances without making a LD call. Those were the days when there were so few non-programmers around that many "users" were simply hounded off of whatever board simply because "programmers" wanted it all to themselves.
my quote
"Prior to this you've attacked friends of mine or created an environment that caused them to feel "slighted". "
your reply
Awwwww.... I hurt your partner's feelings or made him feel "slighted"? Hey, you can't please everyone.
Another backhanded insult from the mighty BZ. Note my plural use of "friends" not the singular "partner" you refer to, likewise the lack of mention of gender in my comment and the decidedly male reference in yours.
Cheap, underhanded insult, your forte'.
Perhaps you could start by just saying what the problem is rather than throwing out crap you've been spoonfed by some of the least-credible people to ever talk about stocks, or pretending I somehow rolled a marble into your universe more than 15 years ago and it's just now got you in a tizzy.
Come now! Where is the factual basis for YOUR accusation? Spoonfed? Who are these "least credible people ever"? Pretending? I'm in a tizzy?!?! I'm not booting people when I get my feathers ruffled. I'm not the one with the superiority complex facing a challenge to that created image.
I tell you what. Why don't you send me another secret message encoded in some programming language. That's a pretty standard reply for you. Then you can say whatever you want and only you and your fellow programmers are in on it. Or maybe you can threaten to hack my system and "do something bad" to it if I don't leave you alone (a favorite from the old days).
Our battle goes back more than 15 years. It goes back to when programmers tried to keep Non programmers away from their private playground. It's not surprising that you still have a wistful tone when you talk about the "good ole days" and a condescending tone when belittling mere "users" that "flooded" paradise.
Your not above turning a buck from the "great unwashed". You'll say whatever you think needs to be said to get them to trust you, all the while looking for any angle to profit from the "stupid and weak"
My gripe with you has nothing to do with penny stocks or any stock for that matter. It has to do with your Elitist philosophy. The programmer is God. All hail the all powerful master of the code. Absolute power in your hands alone. In your world you don't even need users. You can program for other programmers.
You exhibit the same traits in your management of a stock related message board. YOU have decided that bashers are "right" and therefore superior. Touts are wrong and must be punished. Funny how many "bashers" are also elitists and "programmers" (at least of a sort). They look down on touts in the same way (and for many of the same reasons) as programmers look down on "users".
Before I offend all programmers…not all programmers are like this. I know of many that are well adjusted, socially functioning members of society that don't hold themselves superior to non-programmers. Just as not all college graduates hold themselves as superior to non-college grads.
Many people reading this know that I've hit real close with my previous accusations. I've shown exactly how you "cheated". I've exposed your tendency towards prevarication. I've exposed your volatile temper. I've exposed your evasiveness in answering tough questions. In response you've tried to belittle me, call me names, imply that I'm "not quite right" mentally, silence me and say I'm someone else's puppet. Anyone that knows me knows that I am none of these things and I never will be.
In your defense I will allow that I have been very hard on you. Holding you to a higher, tighter standard than anyone else. But then I think that the highest and tightest of standards is required of one whom would play God.
The Bird of Prey
Ask yourself this question...
Did I ever log on to anyones BBS as a user? Before I started my own? Ever get in flame wars as a user? Ever have a group to help you fight those flame wars?
The Bird of Prey
PS SI reneged on the sign up with NDB account deal. Not a lot of dough involved, but if you advertise your going to give a free premium account to subscribers that open a brokerage account then you should follow through.
PPS It's not a "vendetta". You attacked me personally with your remark that any suggestion I make is dismissed simply because "I" make it. Prior to this you've attacked friends of mine or created an environment that caused them to feel "slighted". A lot of folks would simply walk away and tell others to "leave it be". I was brought up that when you see a wrong...do your best to right it. I know that there is zero chance of unseating you from IH, that is not my objective. My objective is simple...expose you, those that see will understand. Those that don't deserve their fate.
the Bird Of Prey
The question was not whether or not you had ever shorted a stock on someone's recommendation.
The question was had you ever profited from the manipulation of a stock being manipulated by a shorting consortium.
And once again your answer, though long winded, evades that question.
Further, in my own experience, regardless of the topic "bashers" can be just as active in flaunting the rules as "touts".
By implying that one group is more noble, more likely to abide by the rules than another, your prejudice is revealed.
Lastly, you have not been nor would you be asked to "swear" off selling a stock short. To make such a request would be the definition of stupidity. However, what is such a big deal about swearing not to do an illegal thing? I wonder if there would have been any difficulty getting you to swear never to participate in a pump and dump?
The Bird of Prey
Boy does that sound familiar!
Sounds like something I once wrote about the Posse.
After all they have done for you, you wouldn't be having a change of heart when you're on the other side of the flame now would you?
The Bird of Prey
PS If you're wasting time looking into AVBC and MAMH for evidence of where this "vendetta" began, I suggest you spend the time programming IH. You're ice cold on that trail. You have the correct SI account, but check out the number of posts made at SI on that account. My issue with SI is an entirely different matter and you most likely had no involvement.
PPS See, you're not guilty of everything!
My apologies...
Sorry, I wanted to enjoy a sunset and delicious meal with my wife and children on Mother's Day. I did.
I also apologize for not returning to this "discussion" sooner, but on Monday my network got infected with a virus. One of my clients called about noon to "warn" me. The little bugger got past Norton and mucked up my system royally. Unfortunately it took me the rest of the week to get things fixed and "catch up" enough to be able to respond to your latest pearl of wisdom.
Quick recap.
Our primary point of contention is that I claim you give the appearance of supporting (encouraging, assisting, etc.) shorting consortiums. I offer (and you have admitted) that there have been numerous occasions where you (as admin) have terminated the accounts of persons engaged in "flame wars" with "bashers" yet rarely have you terminated the "bashers". Your stated reasoning is that the "touts" broke the rules while the "bashers" did not. As a result of this "reasoning" the question arises...
Why would an admin (statistically speaking) remove a disproportionate number of accounts from one demographic group over another?
Even when reviewed on a percentage basis, you've terminated far more "touts" than "bashers".
One theory that has been put forth is that you support these "bashers" because they instigate arguments and controversy, which translate into hits, which translates into profit (you hope).
This theory has a great deal of merit and there is enough evidence to support it, and it does answer, in part, the question of "why". While this activity isn't "illegal", it still doesn't sound very noble...or honorable...or ethical...or moral.
Another theory is that you are in league with the shorting consortiums (some even say you run one of them).
Without an actual review of your trading logs this theory has little factual evidence to support it. But it still warrants exploration. Your support of "bashers" is so one sided, that it almost defies description. Your long term association with a significant number of both heavy duty and small time shorters is also easily proven. some even refer to you as "friends". I believe you keep calling them "acquaintances".
But, There is a way this can all be laid to rest one way or the other.
When I accused you of trading with a shorting consortium your first reaction was to curse me and terminate my account. Not exactly a denial of the charge. You then "explained" that you had been "accused" of this before...and your employer investigated but took no action. stronger but still a non-denial denial (remember Nixon's "I am not a crook").
And Lastly...you respond to my accusation by calling it "libelous".
Well, Sue me.
Be aware that as part of the discovery process your trading logs will be subject to review, and should they contain any instance that supports the claim that you have profited from trading with a shorting consortium...then your legal troubles will be far more severe than any threat you can bring to bear on me. Of course, if there is no such activity in your trading log why not just come right out and say so directly, without equivocation? Say it with the conviction of an honorable man swearing an honorable oath. Also if you haven't done it before, it should be no problem to hold forth that you will never, ever do so.
Should you choose not to sue, everyone will have to wonder... was BoP right about Bob? Especially if you can't (or won't) make such a definitive statement as described. You've been asked to do so three times now. Another NDD would be pretty damaging in the eyes of the public
The only question remaining is, Do I get a summons? or will you definitively pontificate that you've never, ever profited from trading with a shorting consortium and that you never will?
Either way will end this. Your call.
Have a great day.
The Bird of Prey
PS Enjoy the next few days, more emergency work for my clients so I'll be to busy to respond.
PPS There is a third option, (respond with a NDD) but that would indicate you wish to continue the argument.
CharleyMike,
Your effort is not wasted nor is it falling on deaf ears. Though KK may be correct that a resolution is unlikely.
Besides, I have accomplished what I intended, allowing Bob's darker side to show itself.
Since it is Mother's Day and I need to spend some time honoring the Mothers in my life, I will suggest a cease fire and recommend that all of us spend the rest of the day rendering appropriate gifts of affection upon the Mothers in our lives.
The Bird of Prey
you're someone who I suspended at SI or were in a stock you feel tanked because I was booting people from SI.
Not far enough back. I've never been suspended from SI, by anyone. And I've only rarely traded penny's. I also tend to blame myself whenever a trade goes bad, not the actions of others.
As for your other question...
Do you deny that you have both in the past and the present been associated with and openly supported members of shorting consortiums, if not the groups themselves?
Further, while to date you have only been accused, those accusations are numerous and the persons making them are a widely varied demographic, the single most glaring omission from that group are shorts complaining you've sided with longs in a effort to hype a stock. With the lone exception of a certain redhead from Southern California NO ONE has accused you of supporting alleged hypesters in the fashion in which you are accused of supporting bashers.
Does that make it true? Certainly not. But the circumstantial evidence of impropriety continues to mount. Your response yesterday and your more longwinded response today are non-denial denials. We all should know where NDD's got Nixon and Co.
I don't doubt that you have forgotten me. After all there have been so many enemies and for such a long time. But perhaps this might help jog your memory.
In 25 years has there ever been a BBS, Chatroom or Message board that was a profit center? No, at best they are able to break even. Message boards chatrooms and BBS's are/were a labor of Love, not a profit center. They do make good loss leaders for other products and certainly can provide a bully pulpit to fleece from.
The Bird of Prey
PS it is also possible to profit from Bashing by purchasing shares at the low and selling when the stock "recovers".
PPS No, I don't want to see your trading account logs. I have no right to ask to view such as I am not an SEC investigator, nor a prospective broker, nor do I wish to have you act as a financial advisor. But I do think it would be interesting to compare your trading with the issuance of "negative reports" during your tenure at SI.
There are some here who feel that he was within his right and well justified in his reaction.
Of that I have no doubt.
There are those here who, while not your ally or supporter, came to your defense and attempted to persuade him that he had over-reacted. Whether those attempts were successful or not, for reasons unknown to all but you and him, he has shown that he is at least willing to listen to you and others even while you attack him.
I would call it "allowing me to speak" as opposed to actually listening. But then again I've not been asking for his resignation either. Pointless exercise that would be. But as staunch an advocate that I can be, I am also as tenacious in my prosecution. Further I am not seeking allies or supporters. I post as I see fit. Some will like it, some won't. Some will support my position, some will oppose. That is the nature of things. My only objective is to inspire some to think. As opposed to blindly following.
Some people (usually but not always ~ men) believe so strongly in the sanctity of their given word that nothing else has comparable value when swearing an oath. Yet they refuse to swear an oath on the life of their loved ones because they always consider the possibility that they might unknowingly be in error.
Quite true. Sadly however, There is another group for whom little or nothing is sacred save their own desires and agenda. many will spout an oath upon anything knowing they have no intention of following through. Occasionally though they have the intellectual moxie to know that they cannot make such an oath. Therefore they seek an "out" to avoid having to make such a commitment.
Both of you revealed much to the world yesterday. You have much to offer the rest of us, as does he. It's time now to put aside old slights, allow the wounds to heal, and begin anew.
I really don't know how much I have to "offer". I only know that I will continue to do as I have always done and let that speak for itself. It is true that these "slights" are ancient, and many of the wounds inflicted on both sides will never completely heal. Sadly, this hinders starting fresh. But perhaps we can all take solace in the old adage...
Time wounds all heels.
The Bird of Prey
Well, Let's see.
An apology has been demanded, I was terminated for not supplying said apology immediately (maybe*), My Mother's account was also canned and now I've been reinstated (Mom too apparently) and again an apology is demanded (though the public version is almost a request).
But let's clarify, I asked that you swear an oath, not "bet". I chose a child because I believe that to be the only thing you truly value, thus making your oath mean something. Much like an Irishman swearing an oath upon the life of his sainted mother.
So you want me to apologize for asking you to do something similar to what has been practiced by millions of persons (occasionally with real consequences when the oath was broken) for millennia.
Fine.
I apologize for asking you to swear an oath.
I'd like to rephrase the oath but with no value to swear it upon, no oath could possibly have meaning.
BTW, that site JM likes to reference concerning flame warriors is wrong. You can beat admin. Sure he can terminate your account, but if in doing so you force him to reveal his true nature and intentions, you've beaten him.
Much of you was revealed yesterday. But I never demand apologies.
The Bird of Prey
*maybe I was terminated for an unstated reason, one that can't tolerate sunlight.
Fine,
I apologize for exposing the great and powerful BZ as just some guy working levers behind a curtain.
The Bird of Prey
Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do a thing.
OR?
Didn't think you could.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Meet the real Bob Z!
The Bird of Prey
PS You said prove it. Thanks for the confirmation.
As I have said many times and from the beginning. I have neither the time nor the inclination to setup operate and properly administer a message board of any kind. There are many other pursuits I find more enjoyable and profitable.
To paraphrase someone we are both familiar with...
We are alight with anticipation every time a new one pops up...in the hope that it can't possibly be as bad as the last one.
As with the works of PDQ Bach so goeth the fate of many message boards.
The Bird of Prey
Clearly Bob feels he is on the moral high ground by profiting from shorting "exposed" companies as opposed to "hyping".
What proof do you have that I'm "shorting 'exposed' companies"?
Once again, you're spouting off utter nonsense. But presenting it as Gospel.
Fine.
Swear on the life of your daughter that you've NEVER EVER profited from shorting "exposed" companies nor will you ever do so.
The Bird of Prey
Joe,
Thanks for the assist but it's not necessary. Over the past few days I have rapped Bob's knuckles with his ethical shortcomings.
You and I and others are completely aware of exactly what Bob is and where he is coming from. We both also should already know that the only way a message board can make money is to be a manipulative tool for a trading group. Clearly Bob feels he is on the moral high ground by profiting from shorting "exposed" companies as opposed to "hyping". That he will do so while trying to hide behind a mask of "impartiality" is reprehensible.
I have proven him a liar and a cheat, unworthy of trust.
The Bird of Prey