The Jailhouse

[Bird of Prey]

Perhaps if you'd *ask* "the question" rather than trying to make me guess it in one of your equally long-winded diatribes.

To the new "The Question", I also answer in the negative. I have never profited from the manipulation of a stock being manipulated by a shorting consortium.

Clear enough? Or will "The Question" change now?


Well, four tries are all you get. Besides that is about as close to a straight answer as you are capable of. Of course you've already left yourself an out by not mentioning anything about not doing so in the future. One note: since your reaction was so strongly negative the first time this was put to you I had no other option but to try and phrase the question differently to elicit the answer. You could be more cooperative and just give a straight answer in the first place but that has never been your style.


my quote
"Further, in my own experience, regardless of the topic "bashers" can be just as active in flaunting the rules as "touts"."

Your reply
That could very well be the case on Yahoo and Raging Bull. I've seen it myself on Yahoo numerous times.

That was certainly not the case at SI. Would your "own experience" perchance include background being the administrator at a site for which people had to pay to be able to post?


OOOHHHH! Here comes that "I am superior to you" play. We are finally getting closer to the "real" you. Besides I have as much experience and therefore the ability to examine a site (as you have with Yahoo and RB) and make a call like the above as you. And SI is and was just as even in it's distribution of violators as any other site.

my quote
"Ask yourself this question...

Did I ever log on to anyones BBS as a user? Before I started my own? Ever get in flame wars as a user? Ever have a group to help you fight those flame wars?"

your reply
You apparently think it's amusing to try to "keep me guessing" where your vendetta originated, but it really isn't. It's disingenuous. How about just coming out and saying it, or is candidly saying what's on your mind not your style? Actually, I suspect that the fact is that this vendetta has a recently failed penny stock as its origin. It does seem to be what you focus on.

Pretty pathetic to imply that I somehow wronged you over 15 years ago and it only bugged you enough a year ago to start getting your vengeance for it.

So, what board was it you ran that I supposedly called more than 15 years ago to cause you grief? I'm especially curious since I only called local boards.


Actually until a year ago I had completely forgotten about you. You never came up in any of the circles I travel in. I was asked to come help defend IH from an "invasion of SI ne'er do well's" and didn't expect to find you at the bottom of the woodpile. It is good to know you haven't changed much. Still have that "programmers are superior to users" mindset. We both know that many BBS's shared newsgroups and that one of the things that was cool was being able to converse over such long distances without making a LD call. Those were the days when there were so few non-programmers around that many "users" were simply hounded off of whatever board simply because "programmers" wanted it all to themselves.


my quote
"Prior to this you've attacked friends of mine or created an environment that caused them to feel "slighted". "

your reply
Awwwww.... I hurt your partner's feelings or made him feel "slighted"? Hey, you can't please everyone.


Another backhanded insult from the mighty BZ. Note my plural use of "friends" not the singular "partner" you refer to, likewise the lack of mention of gender in my comment and the decidedly male reference in yours.
Cheap, underhanded insult, your forte'.


Perhaps you could start by just saying what the problem is rather than throwing out crap you've been spoonfed by some of the least-credible people to ever talk about stocks, or pretending I somehow rolled a marble into your universe more than 15 years ago and it's just now got you in a tizzy.


Come now! Where is the factual basis for YOUR accusation? Spoonfed? Who are these "least credible people ever"? Pretending? I'm in a tizzy?!?! I'm not booting people when I get my feathers ruffled. I'm not the one with the superiority complex facing a challenge to that created image.

I tell you what. Why don't you send me another secret message encoded in some programming language. That's a pretty standard reply for you. Then you can say whatever you want and only you and your fellow programmers are in on it. Or maybe you can threaten to hack my system and "do something bad" to it if I don't leave you alone (a favorite from the old days).

Our battle goes back more than 15 years. It goes back to when programmers tried to keep Non programmers away from their private playground. It's not surprising that you still have a wistful tone when you talk about the "good ole days" and a condescending tone when belittling mere "users" that "flooded" paradise.
Your not above turning a buck from the "great unwashed". You'll say whatever you think needs to be said to get them to trust you, all the while looking for any angle to profit from the "stupid and weak"
My gripe with you has nothing to do with penny stocks or any stock for that matter. It has to do with your Elitist philosophy. The programmer is God. All hail the all powerful master of the code. Absolute power in your hands alone. In your world you don't even need users. You can program for other programmers.
You exhibit the same traits in your management of a stock related message board. YOU have decided that bashers are "right" and therefore superior. Touts are wrong and must be punished. Funny how many "bashers" are also elitists and "programmers" (at least of a sort). They look down on touts in the same way (and for many of the same reasons) as programmers look down on "users".

Before I offend all programmers…not all programmers are like this. I know of many that are well adjusted, socially functioning members of society that don't hold themselves superior to non-programmers. Just as not all college graduates hold themselves as superior to non-college grads.

Many people reading this know that I've hit real close with my previous accusations. I've shown exactly how you "cheated". I've exposed your tendency towards prevarication. I've exposed your volatile temper. I've exposed your evasiveness in answering tough questions. In response you've tried to belittle me, call me names, imply that I'm "not quite right" mentally, silence me and say I'm someone else's puppet. Anyone that knows me knows that I am none of these things and I never will be.

In your defense I will allow that I have been very hard on you. Holding you to a higher, tighter standard than anyone else. But then I think that the highest and tightest of standards is required of one whom would play God.

The Bird of Prey