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Your giving a "reason", thats just standard set of rules ALL companies wanting to claim CURRENT status must adhere to. In APRIL when PHAR Pr praised that its "going to current info status" should have and im sure did understand these groundrules.. Im talking about why and what the excuse is for having to even come up with a reason why.....
Im saying there is absolutely no excuse even for a week ,2 weeks for any potiential investor to pick up on its now "limited". Many, many investors do not put a second thought into looking into a company that gives limited info. They dont care for the reason, they just look no further when they see the "L" word.. At this point in the funding needed desparetly WE all should be pissed at ANY opportunity to attract any amt of funding,, lost by lack of a simple filing being done. The groundrules are plain, something is WRONG when you have to scramble for reasons why yoour not obeying the rules.
This is part of running a public company, to not let this happen, not let it happen, and have to scramble for getting reasons why questions...answered..
IMO GLTU
Snizzle, again the reason i pointed this out is that these are things HOWARD and PHAR are letting continue to happen. No need whatsoever for this not to have been done . FISCAl ended on SEPT 30th.
It is important for attracting funding.. IT should be common sense to think a company that PRd going from limited to current was great which all investors read,, why is it not important to insure that it stays current. Even if all it might take is Attorney filing.
But here goes and its just the reason imo PHAR is in this position, HOWARDS/PHARs JOSEPH PITTERA is the attorney that handles this , also the same legal counsel for many as of former shell owners and current PHAR connections business dealings. He is handling #30 right now for DM/KC . Busy, busy.
GLTU
Or maybe door #4 A late filing authored by CHRISTOPHER "Kit" CHAMBERS.
We will know by Mon or Tues.
GLTU
Read the post again BEFORE you eagerly try to interpret. I was saying possible jump the gun mistake. Since you know everything about PHARMSTAR Pharmaceuticals why is it not listed as CURRENT Info??
Thought it was 45 days after qtr end. STRANGE OTC maybe getting a bit antsy.
Thanks, GLTU
Anybody know why PHAR is back on "LIMITED INFORMATION" status with OTC Market ???
Im really trying to understand how you can say that because it defies all logic as far as the possible implication of Howards/PHARs involvement with this group. He has to be having very close association with this group one year later.
If PHAR needs funding, the best way to loose the market reaction to wanting to take a position is to operate in the manner he is doing . This group has 30 companies under their belt and not one single one has been a success, not one.
Every good thing comes to an end though, and their fraud that they think is good will be stopped, just hope HOWARD will not be in the crossfire. He sure seems to want to stand by this group.
I thought HOWARD in the beginning had emphatically said that it was TJ.. Maybe i interpreted that wrong. I thought someone had posted a copy of email response , cant remember. Getting old i reckon.
GLTU
Was there anything right about it with Christopher KIT Chambers authoring this late filing for Howard. Truth be known he and his fraud gang were the cause of late filing.
Do KIT Chambers search, no effort needed, and dont reply with HOWARD signed , thats not the question. Howard has shown he is willing to sign anything or put out questionable PRs without puting a stop to it like a credible CEO should do. STOP ALLOWING FRAUDULENT PEOPLE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WHATSOVER WITH PHAR. END of story. Why continue to justify that. Just get a person of street. In the eye of the investor ,there more apt to continue DD. Finding one name with 20yr past of fraud and their gone..
ANSWER THAT AND CHECK to see how many feel as you do that as long as HOWARD signs it and puts up no resistance to involving crooks, people that are willing, with no remorse have stole and are continuing to steal people moneys,, and its all perfectly OK with them.
GLTU
Name is TABER WETZ big time crook with DM/KC/TJ FROM LATE 80's till now. And the list of names involved with Company get longer
A known fraudulent scam artist with key positions in many many scam companies is the author. This is not your old high school buddy comparison. No way even close.
If Howard is the deciding force at PHAR why is he not living up to his word about his adament claims in MARCH.. None of previous shell participents /owners will have any dealings or influence or employment over any aspect of PHAR, thats his statement. But from day one till now lot of involvement.
No matter how a person might spin this, bottom line CEO has not been truthful, and it has and is effecting every single part of PHAR.
GLTU
Brand spanking new company by large PHAR shareholders that are going into aqua business.Link below .
Low and behold Kit Chambers authored this filing close to the same time he authored the PHAR late filing.
Seems to me a lot of ghosts still are alive and kicking in behind the scenes work at PHARMSTAR PHARMACEUTICALS. Howard knows this without question and is obviously ok with it and that==.002
Absolute insult to a persons intellegence to expect anyone not to question if you have a grain of research ability.
GLTU
http://www.otcmarkets.com/financialReportViewer?symbol=SWRS&id=71437
Ill just settle for the ones that already have been put out that can show validation that they have been done or abndoned.
GLTU
Hopefully the amount of shares required to obtain them wont make you fall out of chair.
Have you not wondered why things so secretive. TJ just vanished from PHAR without any word from HOWARD officially on this to his shareholders that might have recieved bad info or claims from Howards IR man. Important IMO
Now you have spoke of this new IR team since early DEC . Hopefully its a reputable one HOWARD chooses since he is calling shots.
For those that think pinky is stinky, some of these consulting firms, investor relations firms make Bernie Madoff look like a candy striper.
GLTU
When you care, investor or CEO you stand up for whats right,some look the other way ,some dont. Those that are looking the other way are putting dirt on PHARs grave.
GLTU
I agree we need to keep things real. Its not the end of story when the certain subjects of posts get drounded out in a name or one particular sentense.
Real issue is not if anyone of former shell owns shares, thats normally how it works. But most shells are not like the one chosen by HOWARD..Its what is the pattern of involvement almost a year later that just as many shareholders have a problem with as do those that dont care.And does past practices of PHAR a pattern of non transparency..
Would you agree that legal counsel Joeseph Pittera is the legal counsel for PHARMSTAR Pharmaceuticals? If you disregard names dwelled on in posts today and just consider this one connection still very active in PHAR. Joseph Pittera was also legal counsel that put his rubber stamp on several of DENNIS McLaughlin and entire groups obviously fraudulent scam broke as_ companies and with the subject spoken of today, he has given his stamp of everything is legal and on the up and up with the new scam by DM/KC and group that are large shareholders in PHAR.
How is that not a reason for questioning?? This new scam happening now is by a company that was flat broke,defaulted on loans, robbed investors of hard earned money and PHARS attorney of HOWARDS choosing represents and OK filings as being truthful..But Pittera is good with obviously making lies look truthful. My question im trying to figure out is why does HOWARD need this if all is on the up and up.
Also look at PATB with new scam and PHAR. That puts KIT and DM back in conversation that was being debated today as far as a relevent question of ongoing connection, not just as shareholders.
GLTU
Thanks for info sunspotter. To be honest i hadnt spotted that and i had reviewed this filings many times in last couple weeks. DM and PATB and Pittera are easily noticeable, which of course are directly involved with PHAR either through merger structure or present transactions.
Hope and pray the new victims in DM/KC scam will dig deep below the fertilizer(manure) so as to not lose so much hard earned money.
GLTU
Your right. Hard to comprehend how SEC addresses many of these issues after the fact. You would think there would be way stricter rules and regulations in place BEFORE a company enters pinks, especially through shell companies that are notorious for scams.
Too late to help investors after the fact, but just severely toughen the entrance laws into pink trading and you will cut out a lot of scams. IMO
Along with your post ,look at this link and it proves how little the SEC monitors these shells.
This is the same shell owner of PHAR with another one of his broke pure scam companies that has sucked the like out of investors, so now this is #30 for DM and this gang of crooks. Look at the same repititious set up as was used in BMGI to prepare for PHAR merger . 1/2500 split horrendous share structure, and you see PHAR legal team giving the OK for this to proceed knowing that its all a pack of lies. Look at legal counsel on filing.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/financialReportViewer?symbol=SWRS&id=71437
Until a mass of complaints is done in an organized manner, it will remain this way.
Notice the dates on this current spinoff transaction involving the same players in phar merger. Started at same time fiscal year end for PHAR
Would love to hear your thoughts on link, GLTU
MRPERFECT, from the reply you recieved do you interpret that a new IR firm is in place and PR coming in near future or in the near future we will have a new IR team to address the issues.
As of last week, Janet at PHAR was handling IR questions. You get her voice mail if you dial ext5 for INVESTOR issues and 4 for receptionist and they are the same.
Should be a great piece of news to identify who new IR group is even if they are not answering questions, should be no secret.
IMO ,with the crook used by Howard to handle IR up until recently, this has been a well anticipated move for me. Just that announcement, IF TRUE, would be positive for old and new investors.
If anyone knows name of IR group if internally produced or external firm would love to know.
Thanks MRPERFECT for taking the time to send email requesting a CC. Howard has a lawyer, Howard is educated, IMO holding a CC with shareholders is what you where requesting, would be know harm after 6months if used about updates on previuos PRs and phase updates. THIS IS NOT INSIDER INFORMATION.
Hope this is not another "kick the can down the road" answer.
Again thanks GLTU
Any company information" already "released to the market through press releases can then be openly and frequently updated as to Company progress regarding subject. Rollback, Marketing campaign, phase 1 business plan, product rollout etc.
All of the suggested topics of discussions could easily be discussed as far as updates on previous statements, PRs, reports ,stages of developement of an already laid out phase plan.
Its the FOWARD statements of subjects not already put out into market through press releases that would be considered inside information. Some of the emails posted in the past and some of the phone conversations posted about with HOWARD are clearly deemed insider information, if they in fact happened.
The Safe Harbor Act speaks clearly about forward thinking statements after each PR a company releases. After released to market, the the subject can updated in a CC by Company.
Slob, there was a GIANT problem with the end of your post. Good game.
To be honest on tour, i just dont know what the deal is. Just personal opinion only,, i dont think not putting the best SAMPLE product presentation out, re labeled.re sealed thats just risky as far as first impressions. But the biggest reason i would almost rather Howard rethink this tour,, if its being handled in the unproffessional manner company is being run,, its a mistake.
When you address big time Medical people and investor groups if your spitting out words with little or no validity, you wont succeed . You will just waste a lot of money.
If you have a medical advisory board, why is he not letting them handle the presentation to the medical field, along with HOWARD. I just dont think HOWARD is willing to accept after 19 years on AQUAPRIN ,its going to take way, way more than him saying the product is better than any asprin products out there. A total concept presentation IMO i dont think HOWARD can bring it to life so to speak in front of a group. But just purely opinion ive came to based on conversations..
Take care, GLTU
Did you purchase BMG_ shares? They just should have went through ticker change .
If you were given shares as dividend from having EVFN shares, if you survived the 1/2500 split with any shares they are restricted PHAR shares, if you hadnt already arranged to get them off restriction prior to merger.
GLTU
August 2008 or abouts.. This was well after AQUAPRIN had formulation change to correct earlier issues.
I know of earlier trouble with previous tries, but this is very troubling as to no mention of this nor what happened to it. Nothing has changed with AQUAPRIN now so whats going to be different now.. At this stage now, even being Public , he is basically needing a private investor to save, just as back then..
Because the way the company is operating ,,its way too obvious to the investors PHAR now needs that something is not right with business model/business plan and leadership .
You can have dump trucks of money coming in and a poorly functioning operation will blow it without accomplishing anything.
GLTU
Thats my point now. The things we are discovering now about what has gotten us to this point was born out of misleading PRs and Mgt practices that are very non transparent . Its being operated like former shell but with MGT claiming they are long gone.
The old items at the very beginning are just research that is just, live and learn battle scars, of getting a product off ground.Thats nothing to drell on, i agree.
Since Howard perfected AQUAPRIN in 2007 ,thats when my research that i put together shows a pattern of deception. We as you say knew about shell, but after digging to find out first connection DM and BMGI had to HOWARD was through a relationship Monte Waldman had to DM 6months prior. He ends up CFO.
Thousands of shells to choose from, why choose one like this when background is horrific. Howard lied at beginning, no ifs ands or buts.
Look again at this link again at all the pics, words almost just like now. Its the one that is why IMO there is a pattern happening and that is whats causing me to get to the bottom of.
Ill bet no one had seen this article prior to me posting and not a word of this from Howard. I was aware and was lead to believe that prior failing was as much a result of product failing as anything. This 2009 PHAR was 2yrs after product perfected. Why does this not bother anyone ?
What happened to that recent private huge plans of the perfected product with other peoples money raised. You hear nothing. Whats happening now with the almost exact scenerio unfolding but with PUBLIC money . Again we hear nothing.
I have took losses in past and just rolled over and moved on. This time i will not sit idle if i find something fraudulent in any way form or fashion. Might not get investment back but maybe being exposed will cause others not to get screwed.
If all is on up and up, i will be the first to get back on positive posting.
Compare this link SURFGUY and then look at "post public Phar" with web info, with claims in PRS that have no credibility because nothing checks out. Even totally putting out old Aquaprin and FDA warnings etc, just take 2009 private PHAR hype with 2012 public PHAR and what you have and are having is a pattern of failings at investors expense and you here absolutely nothing from MGT/CEO as to what or why.
There are other actions rather than accepting as is. Its Just a matter of do we just let it continue to happen over and over to others.
http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/projects/pharmastar/
GLTU
I had followed up on that post with the thought of seeing if some type continues "forwarding email" group with a large list assembled over a week and then final destination poster sending it to PHAR/HOWARD
You seem to get more response than i do on board or some of the others.. I started in SEPT begging for group effort. Just hard to organize. Best way is to set a date, give it time to accumilate interest, and if has enough send individually if some dont like for emails to show that might contain alias in email address.
Dont use other boards at moment but only view them ,and overwhelmingly the notion of updates is on peoples mind. They im sure would join in. I dont know why but many of the 220 IHUB phar group never ever post. Not sure if they read or are gone.. So it will take time to gather group support from other PHAR shareholders..
IMO this is not a pile on HOWARD/PHAR kind of thing. Im not into that or would be intersted in. Its a fact finding CC thats like pulling teeth to get. Been 6months, thats long enough due to whats happened to PPS in 6months.
My purpose, i do not want to speak of if flowers are blooming or if office has cherry or mahogany furniture. Status of funding, status of share structure, reason for very misleading and or untruthful PRs being immpossible to validate(rollback etc).
IMO nothing else needs to be in CC to consume time, just what has caused us to be where PHAR is in 2012 and whats turnaround strategy. Market rollout dates has to be altered. Anyone that contradicts that based on current situation, i just dont know what to think
GLTU
Surfguy, as always appreciate your posts.
I give your opinions a lot of weight, as im not interested in sugarcoating.
Question for you as far as your opinion.
Do you think the past 19Yrs to the present 2012 , in many areas should be examined and clarified as to why promises made and PRs put out, there is an overwhelming amount of redflags that are showing?
As im sure we all did in initial investment we did our DD only to find out now a lot of the paper trail was not forthright. Would we have benefited from facts? IMO the new money desperately needed to fund PHAR ( the boards money has put flowers and signs and office in place) we dont have funds to get PHAR to market)
Do you think their examination of present situation they are going backwards researching is this a pattern, "is there an ounce of truth or just all ok"????Are prs just words?? when they fully examine.
Cant beat around on issues to fill up board ,because i agree , their are some severly impacting PHARs future and other items just add a little gas to situation.
Look forward to hearing from you.
I use one of your lines "Think about it makes NO sense.
Howards admitts to the crooked scams of the whole group of former shell owners and out of all the Attorneys and IR firms he chooses these, KNOWING AND ADMITTING they were involved in scams.
So yea Snizzle, big big problem with all of it if you are trying to attract new investors. Hows the plan of covering up and denying things going for PHAR?
Since your discussing this subject on the board you can add to your post forget about what a group of investors were told in April. NO INFLUENCE would carry over from shell. He was well aware of track record .
Joseph Pittera still big with PHAR and all the way back to md 80 with DM and former shell gang. Let Tommy J handle one of CCs. Was involved heavily. Monte Waldon, Tabor Wetz, PATB and who knows what share structure with former shell.
Without correcting past mistakes there is no future for PHAR
Hey Surguy, same here.
Didnt know if you wanted a response to your question at end as to my opinion or just making a statement in the form of a question..
Im not going to back down on this one. In April in several phone conversations with Howard he assured me as a Christian family man my concerns over former shell was not any problem . He said he knew the track record and not any associated would have any direct influence over PHAR. In my neck of the woods, thats a bold face lie. So this one , i will keep digging.
Let me know if you were wanting me to respond , as i respect your post and dont want to ignore any part of it..
Your right, 504s was the icing for me on enough is enough, but the rollback issue PR as a done deal hashed out previous 45days and comical Babatunde AMS deal attributed greatly to the tones of my posting.
My sliver of hope involves #1 coming clean, good,bad or ugly from CEO,CHAIMAN Howard. Thats the part im unsure will happen.
Take care my friend GLTU
Wish i could say things will be different. I ,like you have been here from start and have praised when it was merited, but i put my pants on one leg at a time and im not afraid to speak the trith.
Ive tried to for whatever reason to dis associate PHAR from the mire of most pinks. Knowing Howard was the CEO was the only one that could do that, he has chosen not to.
Ive heard of hundreds of cases where investors that get the silent treatment when a stock plummets for "hidden" reasons can assemble and demand answers.. Simular to class action or a strike. This not a small few grumbling as many have this notion. All other boards are full of it, but i dont know how to assemble, or im wondering if anybody really cares.
I said it in SEPT. this can be changed. Its up to MGT and they cant be allowed to get by with just talk.
It would still be a uphill battle with a complete new business strategy with some skilled public MGT group running and take time,, but at least it might be UPHILL rather than a weak MGT team trying to keep a ton wt from falling off cliff thats rocking back and forth.
Take care buddy GLTU
Backstabbed, since you had put these direct questions to me was looking forward to hearing from you.
In case you missed it ,i tried to give you an answer as open and honest as possible. I believe this is the only way to handle things is not to try and sugarcoat things away. IMO it hurts HOWARD and PHAR to pull out of this. Post23038 i sent to you upon your request for answers to questions asked..
Question for you. In a desire to get your opinion as i dont see your posts enough, What do you think can right this ship, answering from PHAR @.05 to Phar @.002?? Not really concerned about the past several weeks pretty much just bottomed PPS where so many dont have an issue with changing things because average hasnt hurt. OVERALL state of PHAR,past promises, promises fullfilled, vs factual evidence that leads one to believe MGT is implementing strategies that have corrective measures in them? NOT really concerned about the "passing of the plate" around,, so to speak, trying to solicite funding.. Just your opinion on corrective measures.
Last question for your opinion or anyone regarding the Below link.
Does this not sound eeriely familiar as to a repeat of promises made NOW as a PUBLIC company PHAR. to then a few years ago private. Funds for phase one were raised for that. You have to wonder how much investors lost.
Even the pics are the same. "Aquaprin was ready",,repeated several times by HOWARD .Now AQUAPRIN is at 19yrs and counting since inception with countless tries. IM a never give up kind of man,, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS.
WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY?..Im saying this is a relevent question and is this "public tryout" headed for same vanishing act.
How to assemble enough investors to DEMAND answers, i dont know how to do. Sure been trying.. I do believe changes could be made in the direction of PHAR just by this transparent line drawn in the sand between PHAR MGT and the investors, past ,present, and the future, the real ones needed for survival at this point. IMO it has to be a sustained effort on attracting good investors,, not the see if we can get someone to help keep doors upon..
I know this is not a duplicate and is on the topic you raised.
I look forward and thank you in advance for your answers to questions raised.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/post_reply.aspx?message_id=71652751
GLTU
You know what would make more investors stay tuned and/or new ones tune in.. For Howard and PHAR to at least update on news given months ago, some of it was BIG news as to whether its done, validated or completely abandoned.
Just saying news will change things,IMO thats what many or most pink games thrive on to lure investors, not letting product come first and stand on its on merit.. Most start out resorting to trickery and cant shake the habit.
I want things to change for the better, i just know wishing and wanting doesnt change the obvious. Chaiman and CEO of PHAR has to make sweeping changes for this to survive.
The news of a little funding coming in will have zero impact with already in place business strategy and MGT changes. Just like the BABATUNDE 5mil deal and pref d big purchase had absolutely no impact on PPS whatsoever.
Rollback to me should have had impact just on the PR itself. But market is not reacting due to lack of transparency about past and present status on claims made .
GLTU
Its going to be up to you to determine no matter what i say or print whether you even see a hint of valid points in the post.
Did Howard tell me ? No, and would i expect him to do so ? no
Im relentless in research on any investment and with PHAR i have spent a lot of time on. The reason. Your asking for proof, and in order for someone to answer you correctly, you need documentation. The paper trails most often grow ice cold on everything you try to do research on. Many things said, but minimul validation of anything done about whats being said..
Going back and looking at every Company Howard has been in whats said on web as far as accomplishments, there is little or no proof.No documents as to Howards involvent "to the degree" stated.
Are you suggesting we shouldnt believe these since there are no documents to back up most of the claims on web work history?
The links im posting are what i alluded to in my post to show relevance that past MGT practices in fda matters and the ability to see a project through are topics that are on some investors minds.
Might not be on yours, and i 100% respect that.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/1997/UCM066003.pdf
This is Howards company, his wife was Pres. and it is serious and it is relevant today.
Granutec recieved almost the identical FDA warnings in 1994-1995,
but Howard was already gone so in fairness i will not add that link. In 1996 they Granutec recieved high marks for turning things around. Granutec was sold in 1999.
On the bankruptcy issue since every single company researched they all are intertwined so in finding proof without going back and do tons more digging to find all the notes on this ,, ill just post you what caused me concern.
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_P/threadview?m=tm&bn=76070&tid=588&mid=607&tof=85&rt=2&frt=2&off=1
Lastly this link below, as with the above, if you read my post well it was trying to show relevance in past PRIVATE company and seeing if some of same tendancies in PHAR public company were happening.
http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/projects/pharmastar/
This sounds like promises being made now. So for me , when PHAR nor HOWARD is being transparent as touted in the beginning, i find my own answers.
And i do think any HEAVY investor that does DD will be scared off seeing the demize and the lack of proof HOWARD can right this thing and safeguard their money.
GLTU
Hey Surguy, since the conversational topic of the day is about these issues about PHAR i would like to weigh in , in a simular fashion as others. But i agree, postering back in forth just clouding the real issue.
I think the relevence of Howards past PRIVATE venture to get AQUAPRIN to market and the present attempt to get AQUAPRIN to market carry tremendous weight for this subject spoken of so much today, AS BEING VERY RELEVENT to post about.
The private one carried a serious FDA warning well after start of Company, so the rules were known ,just not followed. Financially it ended in full chapter 7 bankruptcy. Lot of vendors ,investors suffer.
Its all about relevency to determine are some of these traits still here 15yrs later and showing up as part of PHAR plummeting market value.
Issues on sample products IMO skirts what code of ethics the FDA counts on. Financial situation is heading to same point, only difference is some funding options available by going public and you dont have a BANK or PRIVATE investor screaming for their money,,you just have investors not knowing where their money went.
But IMO PHAR is not attracting funding, they are scaring it off by operating in such non transparent manner.
Always appreciate you reply
http://www.otcmarkets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=46305
Anybody know how much the note was that BMGI private is holding owed by PHARMSTAR.?? That slipped by me . Cant find the dollar figure.
Thanks in advance GLTU
Hey Vladimirr, what you posted is a 3 part reason of me starting with PHAR.
Novel product that would enhance the use of asprin, total transparency claimed so as to 100% separate stigma of former shell and owners, no empoyees,no influence on company, and 3rd that PHAR was ready according to HOWARD. Product already re formulated, just needed to produce.
For whatever reason the product is not standing on its merit of attracting funding thereby MGT resorting to sort of pink trickery,secrecy, to try and beg for funding.
If we examine closely Alka Seltzer lemon lime with 325mg of asprin with heat treated sodium bicarb for stomach issues that is effervecent BAYER claims almost immediate relief, is a close match to AQUAPRIN
Any amounts of asprin can damage stomach if your succeptable to that. It can be soothed with bicarb, but danger not eliminated.
Just think the reason it hasnt been a stand alone funding machine product because its not as revolutionary as we think,, and the claims have never been , only in house. Can it have a small place in the market?? Should have and could if product claims validated, should do well..
Smartest thing HOWARD can do before completely going under is make sweeping MGT changes, including his position, validated share structure changes,,,,and get back to basics...Get product READY in all terms, let it stand alone in the PUBLIC investors eyes. Forget tour, start 3rd party testing, get samples run with packaging ,claims info thats realistic, labeling and presentation packaging to look modern and appealing. Looks more 1970s now.. The approach of medical field as first revenue base now is stupid IMO. Get in convience store large chains.
Calling it like it is and what it is and rebooting now is only means of survival IMO
Good to hear from you, GLTU
Jammer, you just sent my marbles spinning in my head. Your right!!
Proposal. Bill Chippas to do a live show at PHAR with Q&A phone lines and live streaming video tour of plant. Bill and Howard being close friends would help make it possible.
Seriously if nothing else Howard could do a video tour ,words and all,, along with Q&A portion of CC. As you alude to, just visual aspect would cut down on much of Q&A needs.
If no one else is allowed to tour the only part of plant that will produce revenue,, surely Howard is allowed in..
GLTU
Not sure what you read but i went back and re read mine. How in the world you couldnt see i am speaking of Howard i dont know.
You made the point in the post to highlight Howards so called 3mil dollar qoute when you asked me guess who said it?
The former bmg-players will never leave, not there style when they dont have someone strong enough to force them out. Not in their pre determined plan.
Check the actual statement i referred to on the bio web page for PHAR thats right here on IHUB.. 3mill invested to date, Howards name never mentioned.
Probably the same one that put all the quotes in the PRs that amount to nothing more than horsesh-t.
Probably same one that said transparency was what he built his reputation on.
Probably the same one that said in many quotes Absolutely no connection or careover influence from BMGI owners. Yet Tommy Johnson ,Monte Waldman, Joseph Pittera, Roger Crabb directly ,with Dennis McLaughlin, Tabor Wetz, 'Kit" Chambers in the background manipulating shares.
Probably same one that said quote AMERICAN Medical Supply was a worldwide distributor. 2400sq ft store in the NAIL DISTRICT that has a cloth banner sign.
Remember, a quote are someones words but that doesnt mean that there has to be an ounce of truth in them. Former president Bill Clinton gave the best quote ever on national tv " I did not have sexual relations with that girl, not ever".
Yea ,go ahead make that your quote of the day.
You got one part right, Howard is making sure he is covered.
You might want to dig on the statement about 3mil dollars. Was not all Howards money. He has had many private investors along the way. If you read it in bio on PHAR it says 3mil invested to date, doesnt say HOWARD..
Some of those im sure lost money that are no longer with Howard, think only Don W has followed him the most. Not sure if he put personal funds in as a partner at anytime..