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WildWest

11/22/12 9:31 AM

#142275 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Nil, Thanks...looks like a possible fit for Argos One or BIB?:

MINIMUM GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
The U.S. EPA is looking to purchase a maneuverable, aerial system capable of lofting an approximately 23 kg (50 lb) payload to heights of up to about 300 m (1,000 ft). The aerial system will be used to sample emissions above a variety of open area sources, including prescribed fires, detonations, and industrial area sources. The aerial system must be maneuverable at a user-controlled altitude and coordinates either via electric (preferred) or non-carbon fuel self-propulsion or via a ground-based tether on a mobile platform or a combination thereof. It must have the following capabilities.

Synopsis:
Added: Oct 29, 2012 2:52 pm Modified: Nov 15, 2012 4:12 pmTrack Changes

Another set of questions was received and EPA has made the decision to respond to them. Any future questions may be answered at the discretion of EPA.


The following requirements imply that the air vehicle must be an RPV with an on-board propulsion system:
• Automated safe return or rapid landing feature if ground control or wireless connection fails.
Comment: Tethered aerostats have no such capability; they do have a rapid deflation device which automatically actuates upon a tether break (per FAA requirement).
EPA Response: If the Offeror proposes a remotely piloted vehicle, it must include a return to home feature.

• Capable of maintaining a fixed position (+/- 10m) wrt to the ground and altitude.
Comment: With no active airborne controls, tethered aerostats are subject to winds aloft; in a steady wind, it provides a very stable platform but with wind direction or intensity changes its fixed position may vary more than +/- 10m.
EPA Response: Of course, this performance specification will be subject to wind conditions.

• Can maneuver or be maneuvered to move at 4m/sec (10 mph) in a quiescent atmosphere.
Comment: With no active airborne controls, the platform can be moved at 10 mph only by moving the ground mooring systems, i.e., the Gator.
EPA Response: The specification for maneuverability must be accomplished independent of any ground mooring system.

• Capable of being oriented in relation to the ground and maintaining that orientation.
Comment: See second comment above regarding maintaining a fixed position.
EPA Response: Of course, this performance specification will be subject to wind conditions.

• Capable of moving into the wind to a position lateral and perpendicular to its secure point
Comment: Tethered aerostats have this capability but only as driven by the prevailing wind.
EPA Response: If a tethered aerostat is proposed, then it must have a means of propulsion independent of any ground mooring system.

• Minimal boundary layer or propulsion effect proximal to the payload that will affect gas collection from the payload sampler.
Comment: Tethered aerostats have no airborne propulsion systems.
EPA Response: If a tethered aerostat is proposed, then it must have a means of propulsion independent of any ground mooring system.

Also, your responses to Questions 1 and 2 regarding the maximum operating altitude are a bit confusing. Specifically, in your response to Question 1, it is stated that the system will be operated from a maximum elevation of 5,500 ft ASL. The response to Question 2 states the maximum ground elevation is also 5,500 ft ASL with a required operating altitude of 300 m (~1,000 ft) AGL. Is it correct to assume that the density altitude of the airborne platform is 6,500 ft ASL, i.e., maximum elevation of 5,500 ft ASL + maximum operating altitude of 300 m AGL?
EPA Response: Yes, 6,500 feet.
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indyjonesohio

11/22/12 9:58 AM

#142276 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Thanks, Nil. Some challenges:

1. IRS tax liability a disqualifier--need to do prime/sub agreement with a partner.
2. Deadline in 6 days.
3. Electric propulsion not carbon--Argus is carbon, don't know what Argus MTS is.
4. Delivery in 30 days from contract when things are hot and heavy with BiB. Probably why WSGI hasn't listed as an interested vendor.

Shows the expanding market, though. Thank you!
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WildWest

11/22/12 5:18 PM

#142282 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Nil, the company has had 9 months (RFI) to develop a solution for this RFQ, so just maybe this is the anticipate aerostat revenue from the 10Q. We have already demo'd the electric airship to the US NAVY, SPARWAR San Diego about 4-5 years ago. It was all over the Channel 7 TV network.
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BareBaxBo

11/23/12 10:49 AM

#142287 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Cincinnati EPA obviously has money to spend...eom
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BareBaxBo

11/23/12 11:02 AM

#142288 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Nil, good find, looks like it's been out since Oct 29th?

GENERAL INFORMATION

Notice Type:
Combined Synopsis/Solicitation

Posted Date:
October 29, 2012

Response Date:
Nov 29, 2012 4:30 pm Eastern

Archiving Policy:
Automatic, 15 days after response date

Archive Date:
December 14, 2012

Original Set Aside:
N/A

Set Aside:
N/A

Classification Code:
A -- Research & Development


NAICS Code:
336 -- Transportation Equipment Manufacturing/336411 -- Aircraft Manufacturing

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BareBaxBo

11/23/12 11:12 AM

#142290 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Nil, if anyone looks deeper, there have been contractor questions submitted with answers provided by EPA, click on changed links on left hand side of front page:

Complete View
Original Synopsis
Combined Synopsis/Solicitation
Oct 29, 2012
2:52 pm

Changed
Nov 13, 2012
10:36 am

Changed
Nov 15, 2012
4:13 pm

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=8bfab9a6d9aec17f987c89dc233db170&_cview=0

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WildWest

11/24/12 9:55 AM

#142313 RE: nilremerlin #142273

Nil, I've reviewed the specifications in detail for the 'Aerial System' (name changed from Aerostat) and it appears the RFQ was written around the Argus MTS fitted with electric propulsion. With a 30 day delivery, this is obviously a COT's or Off the Shelf procurement. Looks like a perfect fit to me and the segmented design will help in the forest fire 7G thermals.