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HEY skunksyard ,
What happened to QBID ?
It's funny to act so estrangled from something that you spent 1000's of hours pumping .
"Why does anyone thing anything is going to happen with this? It's not. It's done. It's toast."
~ Now THERE's a moderator with ALL of the facts .
Good grief !
Why don't you just close up shop then reddog ?
How can a person post ON TOPIC about something that's "done . It's toast."
Wheeew !
I just got back from fun and saw that not much was happening .
I'm not much interested in whining/conflict but , I DO find it interesting when Q-Xemployees bring "info" here .
It would be nice if dialog could be exchanged withOUT battling .
You gonna delete this one too reddog ?
sheesh
Oi the Guilt'
"I would like to hear from people that can authenticate Fan ."
me
"What a dumb ass comment...and an overtly leading question to get people to pay attention to you...including the former screwed employees."Oi The Neurotic
~ "Dumb assed"? I think it is reasonable to try to figure-out/anticipate Fans next move . IF indeed he IS Franks successor was the "authentication" I was after oh nimble one ...
~ "...leading question"? Ofcourse it is/was . Without a leading thought , this MB can be like a barrel of monkies .
Ou ou ou ?
Don't forget that I included;
"People that aren't neurotic that is ."
~ That'd be you ? today
FTR; In my last post (mess#265744) if read in it's entirety , I was trying to encourage an update since NOTHING of substance has surfaced for quite awhile .
Sorry , I'll let the Neurotics have the floor .
It's an odd thing that , , ,
, , , a year and a half ago this thing was humming along.
http://www.primezone.com/newsroom/news.html?d=83786
~ Check out the accompanying PR's .
And now it's just ?????
It's odd there's only been one poster that claims to KNOW everything . Seems like there would be much more input from so many SUREfire Q-knowitalls still lingering from the(ir) past .
Anybody TALK/Communicate with;
~ Frank O
~ Carol H
~ Renee
~ Lloyd F
~ Tony Gouveia
~ Frank H (away from the MB)
..... lately ?
Almost a year since the last Q-communiQue;
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060821/0155744.htmlAnthony
Again , not quite sure why a "merger" would HAVE to be done on/with a shell that was taken over by Fan , with a Fan held company .
I would like to hear from people that can authenticate Fan .
People that aren't neurotic that is .
Fisty's too twisty to make a clear statement on that .
THAT , and I'm too thick for detailed explainations .
I'll ask this again ,
So why would there be a need for ANYkind of "merger" ?
The whole Obion thing is bizzare .
QBID/TMM is ALREADY "owned/controlled" by Fan .
Avacado---->grapefruit--->husk--->mellonball--->R2D2--->Joe Porkchop--->Annie the Tranny
Speaking of VC's
"They "automatically get paid" because the common shareholders approved them supervoting rights. They controlled QBID ."
~ Interesting . Was there a NAME to the "they" that CONTROLED QBID after exercising those rights ?
"Fan supposedly "took control" post liquidation. Shareholder approval would be required for that. Seeing there was no shareholder approval or proxy, it suggests the financiers with supervoting rights appointed him.
~ So why would there be a need for ANYkind of "merger" ?
It is ALREADY "owned/controlled" .
My "londwinded posts" are
because I can't keep up with the flack from too many different angles posting one sentence thoughts and I'm here to say what I think and then watch for reaction .
Longwinded works . It's better than redundant repetition !
"What is the merit of deleting or limiting posts of voices you disagree with?"
~ Typically you spin what I say to keep your silly agenda alive .
What I SAID WAS; "I would tell her "one (reasonably lengthed) post per subject a day .eriod .... ANYthing else will hit the shatcan so hard it'll ring for 30 seconds ."
MEANING fk the repetition knucklehead .
Here we go oldsty ,
"The corporate and public shells are empty. The corporate shell is full of liabilities Cinemax would not want to acquire.The value is the trading vehicle."
Ok slippery Pete , as is the norm , you loophole you way along .
FTR , please identify WHO/WHAT the corporate shells is and public shell is .
According to you , QTN is separate and holds the "liabilities" left behind .
If that is so , what's the problem ? Just assume the QBID shell and rock and roll .
You insists the VC's were paid . Why would they AUTOmatically get paid ? If Frank/Fan was willing to stiff investors , why wouldn't he do the same to VC's ?
Looking at this web an obvious confusion arises , if Fan TOOK over control/ownership of QTN/QBID/TMM back in January '06 why does there have to be any type of "merger" ? It's already his/ours isn't it ? It would seem to me that like a zillion other shells , all he would have to do is re-label the SOB and start over .
IMO (and that's all that really matters LOL)
As far as can be known;
~ QBID is a shell trading a paltry daily volume .
~ Pumpers will say ANYthing for ANYreason .
~ TMM/QTN CEO's have gone underground .
~ Posters are eating eachothers children .
~ Bashers are not a cohesive element .
~ There is supposed interest the QBID shell from a supposed outside compnay .
Head scratched summary;
If Fan is/has-been anything , he's been kind to shareholders .
I KNOW that is a big mouthful . Let me explain;
That QBID is still trading is a wonderful thing for shareholders . A "chapter" BK would/could be devastating and result in a halt/cancelation of trading/shares .
Maybe (you fking bet) Fans personal interests outweigh the shareholder's but , the fact that he HASN'T filed BK is a good thing from EVERY shareholder angle .
Tho fisty has a paculiar knack for prediction , I don't think Fan hops to her tune no matter how many posts she posts , and hopefully his plan (including shareholders) is/stays on track .
Fisty; Guess's can be made as to her agenda;
~ An insider short position .
~ A disgruntled/disgraced insider .
~ An inside the Q-beltway collaterally damaged body .
~ A disgruntled VC .
~ One of the inside characters she's mentioned along the way .
~ J Deaner unrequited .
~ [My fav] Renee's alter ego .
Whatever her story is , the fact that her agenda/identity is carefully guarded , the EXtreme securities knowledge , AND the insistance/knowledge of insider info/expectations ,,,,,, the "insider" (past or present) part is a pretty reasonable leap .
I DO think her opinions are as valid (more in most cases) as anyone elses and should be seen . I DON'T think she should be allowed to disrupt threads at will and repeat the same shat 1000's of times .
If I(EYE) was the moderator (woohoo THAT would be a doozey) I would tell her "one (reasonably lengthed) post per subject a day .eriod .... ANYthing else will hit the shatcan so hard it'll ring for 30 seconds .
Hope the weekend is fun for all .
strider ,
I'm just hanging until a fun trip to Levenworth tomorrow .
And since you respond to me I'll afford you the same courtesy .
" You call it rhetoric, I call it simply pointing out the truth."
~ Truth HERE (on MB's) is a very selective subject . I would rather stay in an arena of opinion . As we know know know , a good/diligent/tenacious poster can claim "truth" as their mantra all the while just force feeding THEIR agenda .
"I already showed in my prior post just how oldtime/fisty twists facts around with how she "neglected" to acknowledge my answers to her questions, while telling everyone that "noone answered her questions"
~ THAT is the meat to every poster with an agenda . They spin/insist/mis-quote every effort to have an equal discourse . They ask for repetitive efforts (like you) for the same material . Take notes on the things you don't like .
"How about her claims that TMM no longer exists. Where is the proof in this?"
~ Or the proof of the VC's being paid off ?
~ Or the proof of Fan being ??????????
~ Or the proof of anydamnedthing claimed ?
That's why I don't understand the ranks here (or anywhere) slamming their opinion/agenda down anothers throat like they know a fking thing .
I.E. Avacado and the rest .
The element on MB's that belittles and coerces honest investors into an undefendable corner are just so many a@@holes with a pathetic chip on their shoulder .
FWIW; I'll give you respect but , that respect has to be maintained with your mutual respect for my sentiments .
Even if you knew something I don't/didn't , it would behoove anyone interested in REAL exchange to remain courtious and receptive .
"What difference does it make who is or is not fisty,,,"
~ That is EXACTLY the point . NONE !
So why edit her like a rapist ? This thing has gone on in itsown mire regardless of what ANYone writes . So why jump on ANYone trying to bring perspective here or anywhere .
Lets look at YOUR (and the squashers) prospectives .
To date , I have seen ZERO continuity or insight besides jumping down peoples throats . "For what?" is my question .
"Now one of the geniuses is even quoting himself in a response to his own post."
~ I assume (why I'm responding) you mean me .
That's fine , I expect nothing less from you .
FTR; I was finishing a thought . Something most here don't even contemplate .
Now , lets have some fun and watch YOU post something relevant .
Perhaps you have a good recipe for a killer Ceaser salad .
Bwahahahahaha
Again , I just can't help busting up this little roundpound .
"That shat will tie everybody up ." me
Ooooops . That would put the employees on last base for finding remedy .
There is no hate for employees by me or anybody I've seen post . For the good and honest employees I have great compassion . I hope the state/fed offers/provides somekind of timely relief/restitution .
I thought that FUJack really went off the chart with his rude tirade . And CFlynn wasn't far behind .
For that kind of shareholder sentiment , as they've venomously spit out , don't come crying to shareholders and ask for help . You burned THAT bridge by screaming hate .
It's too bad IMO that some of the so-called shareholders weren't Q-emps instead . That way they could go stand with Jack*ff as a unified "vessel" and have a real leader .
NOTHING could be more deserved .
I'm sorry but , after trying to find common ground it is apparent that I'm on a pretty slippery slope here .
Soooo , I guess I'll just stick with "straight" shooting .
oldsty ,
I feel honored that you have picked up my angle on Q-taxes due . That shat will tie everybody up .
Hell , I'd bet there is international consequences/law that enables pursuit of evasion .
RB; Msg. 1217740 and quite a few others .
As I mentioned , receipts/dedctions offset taxable income .
Frank had a ALOT of money slide through his hands , but I don't think he has/had the receipt/deductions to grind down the heavy income tax bill due .
As you have eluded to , the government (FBI/SEC?FDIC etc) can be desueded BUT , not the IRS . uh uh .
As I asked before , what do you think Frank pulled in monetarily with QBID ?
"I get off on proving people wrong." strider
Seeing as how no one here speaks up for much BS posted , I'll chime in and say , you haven't "proved" anything wrong .
You state YOUR opinion , or you sidestep an issue completely . That by no stretch makes you right or proving ANYone/thing wrong .
You're just like most everyone else here , you don't have dialog , just a bunch of (weak) rhetoric amounting to screeching . The typical liberal tactic of just yelling regardless of whether anything of substance is said until a person gives up . I must admit , it's a pretty sound strategy . It worked with me .
So , if you'll just kindly say , "I get off "proving" nothing but ,, I can chase people away by/with harrasemnet" , all will be well in nutland .
Either that OR prove ONE thing NOW (not some imagined thing in your history) that oldtimer (fisty IMO too) has brought here . TIA
There is absolutely NOTHING like experienced advice .
"Your just crying out for attention and the only place you get it is online. What a sad and misserable life you must have.
Bye the way, if you dont stop feeding your dog pizza you will end up up all alone with nobody to love you." cur
SOAFB; This gerbal of a woman with 5000+ post , gargling nonsense amounting to whitenoise all day everyday finds it her destiny to chase me .
Lord , give her a life . . . and a braincell . Amen
Is there a better avenue to reach , communicate , corner them ??
Has anyone called Summus lately ?
Summus Works, Inc.
Dan Burgess, 888-607-9495
It's automated and has all of the extensions available .
I have a message in for a couple dept's .
Did I say ,
5th graders .
Sorry .
In review , I meant 3rd graders .
Quite honestly children , without me or fisty to bring some semblance of perspective , as is evidenced by the last 100ish (less the 'few' attempts to engage reasonable dialog) posts , you people have amounted to the stupidest braintrust I've seen since the monkey show at the SF zoo .
[They MAY have you beat in math tho]
It cracks me up that I become a target when you people et al are the weakest link . eck eck eck eck
And the "FLAME" out by Jackless was the coup de maitre .
What a flipping dork . I think the 220 lb remark "you haven't seen jr J in quite awhile" probably tweeked his beek .
Sorry tubby , eat a MUFFin for a change . Dem sauges are jackin Jacky up ;o)
FTR; Notta one of you managed to make a case for your absurd remarks OR a reason for you to be here .
How does it feel to achieve total worthlessness ?
Bwahahahahaha
tata .
needdiamonds,
I really hate appearing (if that's what you're implying) to be condescending BUT , no matter how I try , it's like sitting in a class of 5th graders and continually trying to have a coherent convo .
Time to go hangout with adults . Bye !
[Might as well BE
condescending if I
am going to be
accused of it]
cur ,
"LMAO, empty threats as usuall."
~ Yawn ,,,, post the "threat" dumbass .
Are you just mentally ill , or were you dropped on your bulbous head when you were a child ? LmFbO
285 yards
Jack ,
I'm not sure what's being sent/emails to you .
None from me as you already know .
I WILL say this , the way you guys flame and falsely accuse people for being direct with you is creating yourown delemma .
It seems you (guys) will only respond to selective posts that you either change in their sentiment oR chose to avoid the challenge of answering your direct claims with IN context quotes etc .
Just for kicks , is it possible for you (guys) to have a civil/logical and mature comvo ?
Yet another challenge . Hopefully one will be met someday .
Before I go ,
There is NO headway being made by bickering .
If everyone (together) would put the wrongness of what has happened into a "victims biography" IMO it would solidify a good perspective of what went down , and perhaps be a more impressive accounting .
I for one hate wasting my time defending something I'm trying to put forward as constructive . Believe it or not , if what I have offered is read without defensive glass's , it could/should lend itself to drawing together the plight of many .
So please lets stop trying our darndest at finding fault within , and try to provide continuity and resolve .
Class dismissed .
Jack ,
Did you see my post regarding your "work" ? The part;
"And FTR , I wouldn't (probably) have even taken the trouble to comment or give the failure of the various agencies failing shareholders more than the normal frustrated "Hmmmph" except for the fact that when I called and talked the Ms Stevason (Attorney for Emp breech) I was surprised to find that she didn't have much Q-history or knowledge of the who's what's where's etc .
She was hungry for material/info , and I could hear in her voice a certain futility anticipating much headway . So when JackE self-appreciatingly says; "...be aware that the work that chris, myself and others have been doing behind the scenes will only help you guys/gals ti find some resolutions." , it would seem that there is more WORK to do my friends ."
Seriously , and I have said this already , you guys are the frontrunners to actual progress . I would prefer ourown (shareholder) active/agressive advocacy . Since that is not an option , I suggest , according to my time with Ms Stevason , that you provide info to find/pursue (the monster) Frank&Fan . She seemed abit distraught at that juncture of bringing a case/prosecution to conclusion .
THAT , at this point , is the cruxt of all concerned concerns .
Don't let rational's patience or my sense of humor fending off your sense of humor cause a real division . Undeniably there is strength in numbers .
Reddog,
"Don' let the door hit ya
~ I won' . Thank you . I'll consider you vast experience as a reminder .
That one was good for 250-275 yards staight-away .....
rationalreaper,
Often you take a harder stance than I do . Which is cool . Personally I don't mind (and even appreciate) the employees coming here and sharing their side/experiences as long as they maintain a reasonable exchange . It definately is from a different perspective . Everyone has the right to voice an opinion .
Where I draw the line is when people put words in your mouth and/or try to make a huge deal out of nothing . Or they try to invent a contention by insinuating/insisting you are against them . When that happens , well let's just say they get what they deserve .
Anyway , here's the baton . If they don't settle down , give em a good wack with it .
Take care ,
I am sorry reddog ,
"You continue to prove what you are. And for everyone to see no doubt."
~Sometimes I mistake (easily done) a goofball for a golfball (of=lf) and try to drive that sucker a few hundred yards .
"I'm loving it."
~ My question to you is; Don't you EVER become embarressed ?
Looking at YOUR history , I can only think that you have your computer in a dark corner .
I really must get going . The likes of reddog makes me question myown sanity in staying here .
seeya's
Listen to reddog howl . lmfbo .
" I do NOT share the same views as IAL"
~ Thank the Lord !
" the pm I sent him that he copied (a violation here at IHUB by the way and hopefully he'll be thrown in the slammer for posting it)"
~ What a hoot . I repost what this dim bulb writes , and she wants me penalized . Typical disgryntled WOman .
"was blasting him for his unbelieveable stance on the ex-employees situation."
~ And what pray tell IS my "unbelievable stance " ?
Be sure to include quotes IN context .
"He's a piece of RB trash and needs to scurry back there."
~ Wow , you are really into the cyber world . Do you wear a cape while standing , shouting , and typing ?
Come on rd , take a breather before you pop a zipper .
Mr. Flamer ,
"consider me an open vessal."
~ I assume you mean Vessel; a tube or canal (as an artery) in which a body fluid is contained and conveyed or circulated .
Merriam Webster
"...at 220 pounds.."
~ 5'7"-8"? Alot of talk considering you haven't seen jr J for some time now .
* I'm disappointed (but never surprised) at your (and others) failure to meet the "challenge" .
So now maybe the defense mode will come down and reasonable discourse between emp's and inv's can resume . That is unless there is some credence to the rumor . . .
BTW; I honestly thought the "E" was for Erroneous .
Question; Where you the JJ on Good Times .
WTH , Micheal J is white now , and likes boys !
Say HI ! to Joan for me .
Have a great day !
JackE ,
"do you ever read your own post sweetheart?"
~ Yes lover . That's why you're here ;o)
"you make a valid point of your detractors in your hypocritical verbal spin.
~ TY . I agree .
"you throw out a slur. i respond. which makes me a whiner."
~ No . You didn't respond to my slur . You responded to some supposed "attack" on employees . THAT is what I call SPIN sweety .
"i remember that you and i have had a personal conversation, i just can't remember who you are."
~ I'm your first kiss with whiskers deary .
Before we start swappin' spit , take the challenge .
Please repost ALL of the "ATTACKS" on employees you have spoken of .
BTW; What happened to the E ? Evaporate ?
cur , I guess you missed this ,
You wrote; "I really wanted to be friends again :("
And I replied;
Posted by: InAnotherLife
In reply to: cur who wrote msg# 265190 Date:2/13/2007 5:15:31 PM
Post #of 265323
"I really wanted to be friends again :("
After checking the thread , I'm sorry .
You jumped in while others were starting a mush of turmoil on a simple opinion . Friends ?
~~~~~~~~~~
I guess you were teasing me . GL
I am going to finish (for my part),,,
,,,this thread of employee discourse (for the moment) in saying that when I read ALL of the crap a few Q-emp-claiments writing all of the defensive drivel , I'd like to challenge anyone to post these ferocious "attacks" they KEEP insisting is taking place on them .
Honestly , I havem't seen ANY unreasonable attempted dialog . Nothing CLOSE to what investors have sustained for YEEEEEARSza has been mentioned . In fact , truth be told , IMO it is they that throw down a gauntlet of "don't question me or you'll get whining that will hurt your ears!" .
So , I will watch for all of the terrible things (reposted) said in ATTACK towards them . I don't think itsa gonna happen . I think they are just playing the DGE card . A rather naucious thing .
I am posting from the CFlynn post that 6IX days later says the SAME damned thing I brought here in response to cabo .
And THA was supporting the idea of unity and realizing that the emps are running a first salvo/strike that will benefit all .
~ Note; The minor smack I threw @ JackE was because (I can) the guy grates me like a shreaking bird at the zoo .
Altho he AGREES/reiterates with (in mess#265282) my post/sentiment below , he (typically) goes on to whine like a drama queen about "personal attacks" and the like .
Challenge JaCk; Post em ! Post some/ANY-thing that warrants your return here after 6IX months of hybernation to lash back like you've been harmed .
Talk about thin skinned , I will repeat , NOTHING has been insinuated that investors on every MB gets a 10x's dose DAILY .
Before I leave (for the while) I would like to say , I have NOTHING against ANNNYONE that took a hit from this debacle .
It has been a hard road and I for one feel a kinship with the Q-Airliner of folks that has crashed .
Below is my 1IRST commentary . From there my intention was ONLY for to share my desire for SHAREHOLDER representation (NOT to degradate employees) urged by the Employeent Div being so willing (as always) to represent employees .
And FTR , I wouldn't (probably) have even taken the trouble to comment or give the failure of the various agencies failing shareholders more than the normal frustrated "Hmmmph" except for the fact that when I called and talked the Ms Stevason (Attorney for Emp breech) I was surprised to find that she didn't have much Q-history or knowledge of the who's what's where's etc .
She was hungry for material/info , and I could hear in her voice a certain futility anticipating much headway . So when JackE self-appreciatingly says; "...be aware that the work that chris, myself and others have been doing behind the scenes will only help you guys/gals ti find some resolutions." , it would seem that there is more WORK to do my friends .
Seeyas
~*~ Posted by: InAnotherLife
In reply to: cabo_sailor who wrote msg# 264945 Date:2/9/2007 2:39:58 PM
Post #of 265302
cabo ,
"Lets see who actually gets convicted.
~ It's not a criminal hearing . Yet .
"Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to have any affect upon our shares. They are still worthless."
~ I think it's relative to recovery/prosecution in general .
As some claim BK absolves Frank & co of indebtedness , if they can show Frank/Fan are liable to employees , the next square would be liabilty to debtors and shareholders .
Whether "collections" ever sees the light of day , the pure justice of criminal prosecution will be something better than the pure "in your face" screwing so many took .
"When you guys start coming back with 300 nicks,,,"
Coool . I have 298 to go .
I am dead_katt (everywhere else) as most already know , and created innnannothhherlifffe while taking my time here in Spokane . It's a good town with good people and fun and the rest .
Personally it's a tad too far from the ocean to live full time but then again I don't live anywhere full time .
So for now , it's wine , some killer green , love is in the air , and tomorrow .
Whether it is known or cared about , I am ALWAYS honestly for honest people . It's just who I am .
All of the bickering and smack thrown my way I just chalk up to; You don't know me , and if ya did you'd know .
Hava good night .
Strider2k' ,
"I have explained to her what she must do to be able to continue posting here, she has not done so,,,"
~ For my edification , what must she do to be able to continue posting here ?
FTR; I am NOT her buddy , nor do I think she is always on target but , at this point in time , there sure as heck isn't much that very many posters offer (besides busting MY chops) , and to keep it interesting I find her the best entertainment/prognosticator .
So far , besides kicking fisty to the curb , I think your (as moderator) threshold of tolerance is Ok .
Just make sure that everybody gets the same treatment . TIA
PS; ~*~ I'd like to wish/hope everyone has a warm and juicy Valentines Day ~*~
I kmow I am ! </;o))))))))))))))))))))
"WHO PAID THE TAXES ON IT?"
Which year ?
Since they never did come through with an audit I don't know how a tax decision/declaration could have been addressed .
If they ever did an audit it would be curious how many legit receipts they could come up with to match/cover the income .
Frank DID spread the dough around but , I don't think he'd have near the receipts to grind down the money that rolled through his hands .
Do YOU have any guessitmates on 'income' QBID garnered through stock sales ?
"Did QTN pay tax on the income - as well as employee taxes?"
I doubt they HAD a 'taxable' income .
Why would YOU ask such a question ?
YOU of all people should know the answer to that .
Since you put it out there , are 'stock' incomes for companies taxable ?
I'm sure there is a code but , considering the scenario , stock proceeds 'should' have tax relief on the premise of designation/depreciation/deduction of ops etc .
I would think that IF the proceeds/money DIDN'T make it to the operations mode , then they would be taxable .
Employee taxes ?; Quarterly's should have kept them somewhere close to honest .
One thing is for sure , the IRS probably has it's eye on employee payouts (plasma and the like) received and/or not .
And howabout SS , unemployment tax , disabilty etc .
eeeuuuuu
For kicks and SERIOUS giggles , I'd like to see Franks/Fans Good Will write off .
Bwahahahahaaha
Now THAT's the first good laugh I've had regarding Frank O .
Fair enough .
'old_timer99' ,
"If TMM funds were used to pay QTN employees..."
~ It's funny how there is a resentment about that concept .
The employees seem to think they GENERATED income when in reality the stock paid their wages .
Shaking my head at that type of humility and lack of shareholder compassion .
I guess "compassion" is a oneway street .
Pandoras Box indeed .
Honestly I wonder if there IS a prosecutorical approach to this thing .
Careful shadowman ,
You will be set a blaze for suggesting rational behavior .
IE; Me getting lambasted for hinting at such nonsense and wanting a legal resourse/recourse similar to what employees enjoy .
Silly silly me