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I've been watching my old town.
I lived there for 17 years.
(97350) Avalanche warning last night and Sat. It said this may be the greatest avalanche risk the Pacific Northwest has had in twenty years or more.
So I'm still wondering about the flooding.
Could we be in for serious flooding?
http://www.katu.com/news/15294461.html
Maybe up the road?
Rustys mate I was so happy for you and
Rusty when I read your post. Praise God! All I know is I'm really picky when it comes to churches. When I moved from the mountains to the valley in OR. I found a church first. Then I asked God to provide me a place to live. The first place I looked at (from out of the news paper) we bought. God provided a really nice place for me in an expensive area for really cheap and close to the church I picked. :)
When I came down to the Los Angeles area I didn't know I would be divorcing. I attended a church as a visitor but I decided I couldn't join. It took me three churches before I settled in at the church I'm at now, with that being the third.
With Rustys and your background I now can see how he wasn't really into going to the healing thing. That's a big step for a Catholic. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school. I do believe they anoint you with oil when you're dying, if I remember right.
I,m not saying the church you picked is into Ecumenism, but the preacher there sure had me wondering. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the church I would pick.
And yes this does remind me of a lot of end times stuff.
happydog I prayed and plugger the guy who has the fibro (classmate) and his son and your son I prayed for. If anyone puts up a request I pray. I just don't always post. And excel you and your ministry are in my prayers as well. :)
And briboy.
And one more thought. This Christian guy on RB... church is part of the Ecumenism movement. He could not understand how come I was so down on it. He loved his church. He is a good Christian. fwiw
The National Guard
helps dig out my old town from the snow. It was like old home week for me when I did a google. The snow is up to the street signs. I recognized all the people who were talking about the problems.Power lines are down too. What a mess.
I think it's raining now there.
If it starts to rain heavy there will be problems in the valley below. Flood time for them. imho
http://www.kptv.com/news/15223724/detail.html
The Deadening Effects Of Apostasy
Tyndale By LaHaye/Jenkins
Liberal churchmen organized the Federal Council of Churches in the 1940's, but it became so ultraliberal and pro-Communist that laymen abandoned it in droves. It was dissolved, and the National Council of Churches of Christ in America became the spokesman for cultural Christianity. Although the structure was changed slightly, a close look at the people in charge revealed a game of musical chairs; many of the former leaders of the Federal Council directed the new National Council.
This religious organization has accelerated the churches departure from the Bible and sent it deeper into apostasy. Through neglecting and rejecting Bible teachings, this group has been bringing in practices and programs that border on blasphemy.
The modernism of the first part of the century was too radical for many people and even for some leaders, so a new group of theologians introduced neo-orthodoxy in the thirties. In this approach, leaders use some of the language of the fundamentalists but mean something quite different. This subterfuge has deceived many. Some in this apostate movement degenerate to the point that a number of its seminary professors launched the "God is dead" movement. They claim to be "Christian atheists," whatever that means (probably something akin to "believer in exile." ).
Relationships between socialistic politics and theological apostasy have been consistent. The early modernist rejected the basic teachings of Christianity, such as the virgin birth of Christ, His deity, His sinlessness, and many other essential doctrines. Since that left them no spiritual message for the people, they came up with the social gospel. This has been the one consistent chord of the apostate movement in America and has thrust its adherents into the forefront of the social revolution.
Today most liberal denominations are aligned with liberal social causes, while theological conservatives tend to align themselves with conservative government policy. In fact, today's vicious attack on moral absolutes has not been merely by secular humanists but has been advocated by liberal ministers of many mainline denominations and leaders of the National Council of Churches. Some of the religious leaders who are most aggressively pushing homosexuality are apostates on the doctrines of the Virgin Birth, the deity of Christ, and the inerrancy of Scripture. An apostate in theology will hardly adhere to the moral directives of the Scriptures!
O.K. so I did a google on the National Council of Churches as it's been a long time since I've checked up on them. They have now decided to have earth Sunday and something else that was not acceptable to me. I just took a quick look but once again I oppose any type of Ecumenicalism. But that is just me. and fwiw
Rustys mate Thanks for sharing with us all.
Nothing makes me more mad when I'm on a stock thread checking out an issue and they say, John said it was good. Pete told him he checked it out and...
Well I don't know which poster is John and which poster is Pete. errrr like excel does. LOL or is it grrrr lol
World Council of Churches and the United Nations.
You don't have to read it all. Just scroll down to the last paragraph and read "As it does so, it seeks to demonstrate the ecumenical movements long standing commitment to the UN and the ideals embodied.......etc"
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/international/wcc-un-e.html
It's basically
The religions of the world unite on a large scale and on a smaller scale it's religions nationally unite. Or maybe with that church it's locally?
Fundamentalist and Charismatics and Evangelicals oppose this off the top of my head. It's been awhile since this topic has been brought up by anyone. Try a google. I will later for a refresher course for myself. :) :) LOL
Everyone is suppose to get along regardless. fwiw and imho off the top of my head.
Rustys Mate I'm really
picky when it comes to churches. I looked over this church and the Rev. was? "Chairman of the Ecumenism Committee of Lehigh Country Conference of Churches." I think? I got that right.
I oppose Ecumenism and I would not want to sit under the leadership of someone who is for Ecumenism. But this is just me. fwiw The last church I was a member of just had a church split when I arrived. It was over if they wanted to join the World Council of Churches? or maybe it was the National Council of Churches? I can't remember. I would of walked out, if that church, had been a member of these and not bothered with them. But once again that is just me.
I'm praying things get better for you and Rusty.
O.K. plugger
Now that I have your attention I would like to share something with you.
But first the way it was explained to me by a friend and off the top of my head "praying in tongues" is the only gift that edifies you. He called it "angel talk" It lifts you higher in an unknown language that communicates with God. The argument against it is the scripture that says we "moan"? when we don't know what to pray for, off the top of my head.
But the fact remains that it does edify you. (enlighten) It builds you up when you are down. It's a gift. No doubt in my mind.
Now what I found interesting from a book by Zondervan called Fresh Power by Jim Cymbala
(Experiencing The Vast Resources Of The Spirit Of God)
We need continual infillings of the Spirit to meet the strong, ungodly tendencies of the age.
...This group in Jerusalem cried out to the Lord for him to "enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness" (Acts 4:29). In response, "the place where they were meeting was shaken," as in an earthquake. There was no doubt that they had made contact with heaven. The story closes with this sentence: "And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly" (v31).
Now wait a minute! Hadn't they been filled with the Holy Spirit back on the Day of Pentecost? What is this new filling all about?
This proves that we can't live off what God did in our lives last week, last month, or last year. We need continual infillings of the Spirit to meet the strong, ungodly tendencies of the age. There must be deeper enduements of power to meet deeper challenges. The greater the onslaught and the more evil the tactics that Satan comes up with, the more God's Spirit must be entreated to come and prepare us for battle. This is why D.L.Moody (see the prologue) called his convocation in 1880 for people to come and seek God for the fresh infilling of the Spirit's power that was so evidently needed.
Now check this out plugger
John Wesley, founder of the Methodist movement, preached a whole sermon in 1744 on Acts 4:31---to an audience at his alma mater, Oxford University, no less. It was a ringing call to let the Holy Spirit have his way. He barraged his listeners with of volley of hard-hitting questions about their spiritual lassitude, rising near the end to this climax:
How few of you spend, from one week to another, a single hour in private prayer! How few have any thought of God in the general tenor of your conversation! Who of you is, in any degree, acquainted with the work of his Spirit, his supernatural work in the souls of men? Can you bear, unless now and then, in a church, any talk of the Holy Ghost? Would you not take it for granted, if one began such a conversation, that it was either hypocrisy or enthusiasm? In the name of the Lord God Almighty, I ask, What religion are you of?
That is a very interesting question for us here at the beginning of the twenty-first century. What religion are we of? I believe there is a growing number of Christians across the land who are hungry for the religion of the Bible, the Christianity of the New Testament in all its spiritual splendor. They are not satisfied by the contemporary American church culture nor by the fruit it is producing. While the evil tide of the world, the flesh, and the devil is rising to flood stage, the Lord is raising up a godly standard against it---men and women whose hearts cry out with the psalmist:
O God, you are my God,
earnestly I seek you;
my soul thirsts for you,
my body longs for you,
in a dry and weary land
where there is no water.
I have seen you in the sanctuary
and beheld your power and your glory.
Because your love is better than life,
my lips will glorify you.
I will praise you as long as I live,
and your name I will lift up my hands.
My soul will be satisfied as with the richest of foods;
with singing lips my mouth will praise you ( Psalm 63:1-5)
So IMHO tongues is talking and praying and praising God in an unknown language that edifies yourself.
fwiw I'm not reading anything into the Wesley comment but it sure made me wonder if he spoke in tongues.
Which I would think not. But I liked the comment of "the Christianity of the New Testament in all it spiritual splendor." Yeah!
The gift of tongues,
is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the Body of Christ (a) to speak to God in a language they have never learned and/or (b) to receive and communicate an immediate message of God to his people through a divinely anointed utterance in a language they never learned.
Mark16:17 Acts2:1-13 Acts10:44-46 Acts 19:1-7 1 Cor.12:10,28 1Cor.14:13-19
C.Peter Wagner
I will add
1Cor.12:11
All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
1Cor.12:18
But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
"just as he determines" and "just as he wanted them to be."
I heard a sermon once. The preacher said that God doesn't give any one person all of the gifts. If He did we would have no need of each other.
I also heard this one preacher once say that he prayed and prayed for the gift of tongues. God did not give it to him. He thinks it might be because God knows him better than he knows himself and this gift might puff him up... or something like that.
God gives this gift "just as he determines" so if you do not have this gift don't feel bad. IMHO Thoughts?
I think it was Bonnie who said,
"Father open my eyes to see what's possible when I put my faith in You then increase my faith so I can watch You do it. In Jesus name Amen."
I wrote it on a card and put it where I could see it. On the other side of the card I have:
You are my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long. Psm.25:5
I'm so sick of Dr.s. Like I said before on a post they seem to bring the worse out in me!
I have an appt. now on Feb.22 with neurosurgery. At the moment I have no treating drs. because they either fired me (the feeling was mutual) or I fired them. I need internal medicine, and a kidney dr. I now have two rare diseases. By the Grace of God I accidently skipped over the neurologist and got into neurosurgery. God has been good to me directing me on this new something or another I have. I now know what it is. I don't know what is causing it.
You said "there is nothing more they can do" I had a dr. give me 2 years before back in 1997 because of my kidney. Well here I am.
I've put in prayer request here and at church and it is an answer to prayer that I even am getting into this dr. that I picked. I referred myself. First time ever I've gotten in this way, so I know it's an answer to prayer because I've tried this before and I didn't get in. (specialist)
I have to go to teaching hospitals. This will be my third one. Actually my fourth if I count Tulane for my dad.
I don't mean to come down on you, but Rusty doesn't need you on his back. (If you are?) He needs and advocate. Pray that you will be a good advocate for him and what Bonnie said. :)
I will pray for you.
Record rainfall 10.82inches? in24hrs.Whoa!! eom
Yes I am,
but a friend of mine who lived across the road on the river also left there and went to the Big Island of HI. She called me over the weekend and I could hear the rain pounding outside over the phone and she was in her house. She took the phone outside so I could get the full effect. LOL WoW
She called me today and said they got hammered with rain. She lives outside of Hilo HI. Yep she got it good. lol She's on solar and told me not to mention the sun. lol
I shouldn't laugh as that last storm on the Hilo side they got over the weekend was a doosey. She was leaving her place and a wild pig ran out in front of her and it scared her. She said her neighbors place looked like a lake. The rain was coming off the roofs in town so hard it looked like water falls she told me. She didn't mention anyone dying other wise I wouldn't laugh. In town they have damage she told me today. :(
The gift of miracles
is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the Body of Christ to serve as human intermediaries through whom it pleases God to perform powerful acts that are perceived by observers to have altered the ordinary course of nature.
Acts9:36-42 Acts19:11-20 Acts20:7-12 Romans15:18,19 1Cor12:10,28 2Cor12:12
C.Peter Wagner
Thanks for sharing happydog. The Sun.before last I went to church and I noticed the man who had anointed me with oil, and who had prayed for my healing, when I was walking to my seat. I smiled and nodded at him. He smiled back. I know he started praying for me at that moment. I could feel the pain leave from me. I was almost pain free for the entire day and I know it was his prayers for me. The pain started coming back the next day though.
Rustys mate it was happy dog....
I would be more like your husband and not want to go. I've never been to a "Holy roller" church. (I hope I just didn't offend anyone with the "Holy roller" comment.) I've had personal friends though who were members of these types of churches. A friend was going to take me once, so I could understand how come she could not join my Missions church, but it never came about. I understand now. At the time I didn't.
I take the middle road.
I would visit a church like this if someone would take me who was from the church. I could not join though.
As far as me doing the outreach thing and going to my friends cult church and then him coming to mine, I'm not doing it. I read your post and thank you, but I'm not going to his church. I could change my mind of course, but I don't think so.
The gift of healing,
is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the Body of Christ to serve as human intermediaries through whom it pleases God to cure illness and restore health apart from the use of natural means. C.Peter Wagner
Acts3:1-10 Acts5:12-16 Acts9:32-35 Act28:7-10 1Cor12:9,28
Thanks for sharing your story!
PL1 Thank you for
the refresher course. I learned some new things from your post. I always thought just take your fingers and poke out their eyes. That's what you do in the woods if a bear decides to attack you.
I have a story. I was about 20 years old. I decided to travel Mexico. My brother's girl friend worked for Berlitz? (sp) language school. She was down in Mexico on an expense account. (Those are always nice. LOL) My brother speaks Spanish very well. I talked my brother into us just "hitting the road" and we would meet her down there.
We hitch hiked, took the bus, train. Whatever. It was a long journey. I caught their version of the flu down there. I recovered in Mexico city. I had enough and wanted to go home. U.S.A.
Rules of the road is you stay off the high way at night. By dark you should be in a hotel where ever you're at or in a tent. (Sometimes you land in places with no lodging and have to pitch a tent)
It was dusk. The three of us were then deciding where we would hold up for the night. We were hitch hiking. A semi truck (their version) pulled over and the back of the truck was empty as he had dropped of his load. He was going a long way, driving thru the night, in the direction we were going. We decided to take the ride. I told my brother I would sit up front and they could catch up on their sleep in the back of the truck.
Couple of hours went by and he pulled over the truck. He spoke no English and I spoke hardly any Spanish.
He grabbed me and started to unzip his pants. I reached over to grab the horn down to alert my brother and wake them up. He slammed me before I could pull on the horn. He then reached over and pulled out a machete and held it to my throat. He continued to unzip his pants.
I wore a religious medal. I showed it to him. He didn't care.
I then started to pray the Lords prayer out loud.
Then I don't know what happened to him.
All of a sudden a fear seized him. (It was from God) He got visibly confused, then he got really, really, afraid. He was shaking when he zipped up his pants and took that weapon away from my throat.
We drove on for hours in silence. I was trying to see and pay attention to where we were but it was hard as it was a dark, dark, road.
Dawn came. It was then time for the ride to end. I made sure I had all my stuff (personal belongings) on me. I had to wake up my brother and his girl friend. Next he took all of their stuff and drove off.
There we were in the middle of no where. I had water and a map and I.D. and money and all my stuff. They wore a money belt as well and had their passports, but that was it. They got out with the clothes on their backs.
I told them what happened. My brothers girl friend lost it. She went off crying. Then we had to calm her down.
Then try to figure out where we were and how to get back to a main road. We decided to walk out. Who knew where we were. He left us to die.
We walked on that dirt road. All dirt roads lead to other dirt roads in Mexico. lol
Finally we saw a car. Told him we were lost and needed to get to town and we just piled in that car whether he liked it or not. We then got our bearings to where we were and to another dirt road that at least had a few cars on it. Then in to town and we were now back "on the road", and continued as planned like nothing never happened.
God was good to me. I praise Him for not letting me get my throat slit after I could of gotten raped. He was a bandito. (sp)
02opida I use to live
in the Oregon Cascade mountains. Yesterday I heard they got 13 feet of snow in the last two weeks and they were expecting 15-25 more inches by Wed. Oh man....So I went to the zip code of the small tourist town that was about 3 miles below where I lived and it said sleet and then drizzle. Drizzle is going to make all that snow HEAVY. If the roofs of the summer homes haven't all ready caved in they will by the time the drizzle arrives. Right now I can just imagine the scene. I bet the people who live there year round, backs are all ready barking with all that shoveling. And with that much snow you run out of places to put it. (shovel high, you toss it up in heaps) What a mess. I'm happy I don't live there anymore.
This is going to be hard on all the animals too. (deer and elk etc.)
tenac you said...
"I just don't know why I'm this way?"
I heard a sermon once. We are to have what is called "a light touch."
Meaning we can let go of anything we own because we hold on to it lightly.
I would say you have a "light touch."
I read a book over the weekend. First book in a long time as I've been busy.
Remember I don't have cable t.v. and I buy used books and choose them by the publishers. This one was from Harvest House.
By Annie Chapman (edited by me)
I recall her (grandmother) telling me about a very poor family that lived in her Appalachian region of West Virginia. Every family was poor in this hardworking community, but some were poorer than others. Although there was little or no money, the families were decent people who were caught in situations beyond their control. Unemployment was high, the Depression had hit, and it was devastating. Many of the sons had left their home to fight in the Big War. Of those who survived, some came back to fight poverty and destitution.
My Grandma Eckard was a sweet, generous woman, and her giving started at home. My mother recalled the morning that Grandma had only one egg to feed her family of eight. She made her "poor man's gravy," which was a white flour concoction made with water. Then she happily announced to the family that everyone could have some egg because she had mixed it into the gravy.
Miss Omie, as my sweet Grandma Eckward was known, was.....an excellent midwife, nurse, and undertaker. What ever needed to be done, she was there to help.
One day Miss Omie was called to one of the poorest families in the area. Mrs. Wilson was sick, and it was feared she was dying. As Miss Omie entered the house, she said she could literally smell death in the air. The house was filled with hungry, dirty, neglected children. The family was so destitute that the kids had what appeared to be the mange. There were large sections of their heads where hair could not grow either from the filth or malnutrition, or both. Miss Omie observed a hard crust of moldy bread sitting by the bedside of the dying mother. One of the children walked over to the nightstand, picked up the crust of bread, gnawed it, and then put it back. The scene was both heartbreaking and totally unacceptable.
Miss Omie returned to her home and told her husband, my grandfather Clarence, the situation...
Grandpa Clarence promptly harnessed up the horses to the buckboard wagon and began going from house to house. My mother went along with him. Everyone gave, even from their own poverty. Families went into their root cellars and gave items such as vegetables, dried fruits, and canned meat. They went to their smokehouses and gave food reserved for their own tables to help these starving neighbors.
My mother remembered going with her dad to the one house where they believed they would receive the most help. The family that resided there had the nicest house in the community. They were the most educated, and they always seemed to have plenty to eat. When the need was explained to them, they reluctantly went into their attic and brought down some old purses for the starving family.
As Grandpa and my mother drove away, they were a little surprised at the offering of this well-to-do family. Then the thought occurred to Mom, "Perhaps there is money in the purses." Eagerly, she opened each one and as she did, she discovered it was empty. What were they thinking? My mother facetiously said, "Well, now the starving family can put all their money in the purses." The emptiness of the gift was overwhelming.
My mother has since gone home to be with the Lord, but the lesson of the "empty purses" remains. We come into the world starving to death, filthy with sin and despair. Ephesians 2:1,2,4-6 says:
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience....But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus.
We are ravaged with anger, bitterness, and unforgiveness. When we go to places like the self-help books and the encounter groups, all they can offer us is "empty purses." Regardless of their good intentions, the world has little---if any--assistance to offer in our quest to manage anger. (Or I'll add whatever) Only God can help us "rule over" our spirits. And the best news is, He thinks we're able!
O.K. all that stuff that you could care less about is "empty purses" to you...and guess what...You're fortunate. I have "a light touch" as well. Many, many people aren't like us. They have to ask God to help them "rule over" their spirits when it comes to holding on to stuff too tight.
Stuff brings people pleasure for only a short time. Then they get more. Where I live people have so much junk in their garages they have to park their cars out side. lol
Celibacy...
C.Peter Wagner
The gift of celibacy is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the Body of Christ to remain single and enjoy it; to be unmarried and not suffer undue sexual temptations.
Matthew 19:10-12
1 Corinthians 7:7,8
I heard a sermon once on this. My notes (which I don't take the best say)
1Cor7:
Individuals of worth (single)
Talk to Him. Sing to Him.
It's all-right to be single.
Acknowledge it as good.
Three times "it is good" v1v8v26
Four times literally "it is good to be single"
You're all-right because God says you are.
It's a gift from God. v7 to be happily unmarried.
Mt.19:12 Why? physical, medical? spiritual, (eunuchs)
It's Gods gift to me.
Allow it for your growth v26-27
Don't let it dominate your life.
It's not the most important thing in life to find a partner.
That's all I have. I don't know who preached it. But that's what the preacher said. I now write down who preached the sermons I have so I know who said what. That's what the preacher said, or I wouldn't of written it down.
O.K. Here we go.
Bonnie said "(there are at least twenty-one of them!)?
By C. Peter Wagner
Fuller Theological Seminary
The following three pages contain SUGGESTED definitions of the spiritual gifts. etc...
Prophecy
Pastor
Teaching
Wisdom
Knowledge
Exhortation
Discerning of Spirits
Giving
Helps
Mercy
Missionary
Evangelist
Hospitality
Faith
Leadership
Administration
Miracles
Healing
Tongues
Interpretation
Voluntary Poverty
Celibacy
Intercession
Exorcism
Service
FWIW These are all backed up with Scripture.
From my understanding,
Other talents would be dentist or dr.s or nurses, or even pilots who volunteer their time in helping the less fortunate in spreading the Gospel.
The kid who plays the piano at 4 yrs. old are indeed blessed. But to say that is a GIFT is pushing it. imho
The secular world might call it a gift. To them it is. But does the Bible call it a gift? I think not. imho
My notes say, Remember gifts are for the one in need, not the one being used to give the gift. fwiw.
Speaking of gifts,
When I use to go to that really small Missions Church I had a friend who was Lutheran from MN. His dad was a Lutheran minister. My friend went to Lutheran school his whole life. Even Lutheran college.
We didn't have much as far as music goes at that church. A Mennonite friend of mine played the piano. She never took lessons and could play from ear. She played really well. Then we got this way older man who had been retired for many years who got saved. He played piano bars for a living when he was young. He volunteered to play the piano for us. My Mennonite friend was really happy she didn't have to play the piano and or organ anymore.
Ruben who had been a wild type of person his whole life, and who had made his living in bars, was more than willing to play for us on Sun. mornings. The only thing was that he never heard any of the hymns before. He would jazz them up really lively. I would look over at my Mennonite friend and we would be laughing really hard.
I will never forget how he played the piano. It was more like honky tonk than church. lol
Anyway my Lutheran friend decided he was going to bless? us with some special music he was going to sing. He had a terrible singing voice. He put the tape in and started to sing with the music. As usual my Mennonite friend and I were laughing. My Lutheran friend got up there and was singing with his hands all stretched out mimicking Frank Sonatra (sp) with his moves. It was so funny. Like he was on stage at a concert. LOL
I then wondered if music was a gift. Later when I moved away I heard my new preacher say that we have gifts and talents. Gifts were from the Lord. Talents were different. Talents were not gifts per say. For instance he said, musical abilities were talents. I agree. (A non believer could jam with a Christian band really easy if it was their type of music and that's what they felt like doing for a living)
Anyway my Mennonite friend is now with the Lord. When ever we would get in trouble for laughing or anything she would always get in far worse trouble than I from the preachers because she knew better and was older and it was up to her to instruct me because I was younger. (In age and faith)
Every time we would get a new Missionary/Preacher it would be the same same. Then we would laugh even more because we knew what was coming next with her getting in most ALL of the trouble. The preachers didn't care who instigated it. The preachers would say something like, Frieda I need to speak with you. LOL! She didn't care. Neither did I. We both knew we would be there long after the preachers transfered off or quit, or entered into some other type of full time ministry.
You can use your gifts, time, and talents as we mentioned before on this board to serve the Lord. IMHO Music is a talent.
Kind of,
Jn.20:28 Thomas said to him, "my Lord and my God!"
1Jn.4:2-3
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
From the NIV Study Bible
1Cor.12:3
"Jesus be cursed"..."Jesus is Lord." One who is regenerated by the Holy Spirit cannot pronounce a curse on Jesus; rather, he is the only one who from the heart can confess, "Jesus is Lord" (c.f. Jn 20:28' also 1Jn.4:2-3). The Greek word for "Lord" here is used in the Greek translation of the OT (the Septuagint) to translate the Hebrew name Yahweh ("the Lord")
I bet tenac is a big hit at church pot lucks with his dishes. ROTFL
I've heard possum turns the pan a weird color just like bear does.lol
I heard a preacher once say,
that people have "head knowledge" and "heart knowledge." In this passage only a person who has heart knowledge can say "Jesus is Lord." A person who has "head knowledge" can say it but it doesn't mean anything.
I agree.
Holograms? I had to go to
Wikipedia...and check that out. I think you could be right too. I remember at the time thinking the kids growing up now days should like this kind of stuff. Then I had thought how this could fit into the end times scenario.
fwiw
tenac isn't the only one around here who has to look stuff up. Me too. lol
excel Yes...
I remember something like that too. What they were talking about was really high tech. Like laser lights? or something. It was kind of spooky. I seem to remember posts about it too, now that you mentioned it.
I thought of another post way back on this board. It was of a different nature and I'm not going to try to even explain what I remembered. It was for real too. Like this last comment of mine really helps. LOL
Anyways your post brought up another memory from this board...Man... I'm getting old..... Or maybe it's all this new stuff that's going on and happening in the world that I can't keep up with. :) Yep that's the ticket.
tenac I found it...
What I was thinking of. I looked for another author for their comments but couldn't remember where I read it. But at least I found what I was thinking of. This is because you mentioned t.v. from last night and I watched it too. :)
Rev.13:11-18 By Grant R Jeffrey, Prophecy study Bible (edited by me)
....Yet John give us a clear picture of the false prophet. This false prophet looks "like a lamb" (13:11) but behaves like a demon, attempting to bring down fire from heaven. Though he relies on Satan's limited power, this false prophet creates an automated image of the antichrist that people are forced to worship on penalty of death...
It was the "automated image" comment that makes me go hmmm.
Rev.13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15.And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(I read once or heard? that this could be a computer image?? I can't remember now) You get the general jest though, of what I was thinking with the "automated image" comment of Jefferey's.
Howdy tenac
Isn't "howdy" a hillbilly phrase? LOL
I watched it too, on my little 1 inch t.v....well actually I put on the gizmo that made it into a two inch screen. My brother called me to tell me it was going to be on. The speech didn't give me the warm fuzzies like it some times does. lol I didn't bother to listen to the hoopala that goes with it afterwards.
Your remark reminded me of this;
Revelation 11:3-14 (From my prophecy study Bible by Grant R. Jeffrey)
John then describes the supernatural ministry of God's two witnesses who will prophesy for 1260 days. After 1260 days, they will finish their ministry and be killed by the antichrist. Unrepentant sinners will rejoice in their death, and the two will remain unburied on the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. The whole world will see their bodies. Yet, miraculously and fearfully, God will resurrect them and take them to heaven in the sight of their enemies.
This prophecy clearly foreshadows modern-day, worldwide, television coverage. Only in this generation have people been able to see the events as they occur from all over the world in live television broadcasts...
Which now I thought of something else...maybe? I can find it later. I can get side tracked too and ramble. lol
fwiw It's the t.v. comment that Jeffrey mentioned that I wanted to share. So true.
tenac It just isn't you..
It's me too. I have learned to say the "globalist" FWIW
Back in the 80's I called them the "The One World Government."
Then in the 90's I called them the "The New World Order."
Now I call them the "Globalist."
I don't know what the proper thing to call them now days.
It's right in front of me as well. So it's the both of us. :)
tenac I have some thoughts..
I'm not into secular stuff. These people who came to my church is more my speed.
http://www.farreachingministries.org
plugger I can understand your frustration,
but why should my church be taxed because let's say your church has poor fiscal accountability problems. It's up to us as the congregation to keep our church "stewardship" concerning financial matters in check.
The Catholic church is a whole different ball game than Protestants. If I remember right all the contributions given in the U.S. churches than go to New Orleans. From there they go to the Vatican. Then if the church needs some big bucks for something they have to go through the proper channels to receive money back from the Vatican for their aid, if I remember right. That is a world wide church that is very well organized and has been around for just about forever. LOL on the "forever" statement.
No plugger I am dead set against taxing churches. I do not want the gov. telling us what we can or cannot spend our money on. Keep them out of our money!
Sure getting tax exempt status is bogus. imho. I've looked into it and had it all set up once for my womens missionary group. I was shocked at what I learned. My con mind went wild. LOL
Money = Power I once was told. Perhaps this is why the Catholic church doesn't cut loose. Don't get me wrong. They do help the needy etc. They are good people as far as helping. It's the headquarters. Everything in that church has to go through the Vatican. Laws, money, changes in policies, as it's up to the Pope. He has the Cardinals which tell the Bishops which tell the Monsignors and Priest, but guess what no one is going to tell the Pope how to run their money. No way... no how ...I say...It isn't happening, imho and for sure not on a global scale. :) Now I'm rambling. Keep the gov. nose out of churches. They can't even manage their own money. Look at the deficit. sheesh
Now I'm just thinking out loud and rambling like tenac. LOL
Excel I haven't spoken up on you and Ricks post because,
I'm not an expert in this area but I do know a lot. (A lot for me)
First of all I have a Baptist background. Baptist are for separation of church and state. The argument is? they don't want to be forced by the Gov. to pray to what ever the Gov. forces upon them to pray to.
Then when you live on a mission field, here in the U.S. or at least where I lived and served, you aren't allowed to talk about politics. Never Ever....have I heard a Missionary speak their views in or out of the pulpit on any type of Dem. or Rep. or party practices. The subject is asked to be dropped if anyone talks politics. fwiw I asked one of the missionaries why none of them who served at our church talked about politics. It was obvious over the years it was one of their headquarters rules to me.
I was told they were there to be ministers of the Gospel. What if they offended someone, like let's say a Dem/Rep.
Now the Dem/Rep. who isn't saved, might get mad at them, and reject them for what ever they said about politics, and not listen to them if they share the Gospel with that person. It isn't worth it. So I, have learned to keep my mouth shut on political stuff. Not unless the political stuff violates Gods laws. Like abortion, homosexuality, etc.
Then when I joined the Baptist church the separation of church and state seemed like a good thing to me. (This was not on their statement of faith.)
Not any more. My church is very active. My preacher was invited to watch the signing of the partial birth abortion ban.
At this very moment I type this post ,my preacher is in Washington D.C. He's been invited to teach at the Pentagon and Congress. (pray) my notes say. They said from the pulpit Sun. we got a call from him. He's been invited along with 100 others to have breakfast with the President. Then he had to go and preach/teach at a near by church. He said, "This missionary is tired." LOL
Before he left he said his heart is with us teaching and preaching but he is willing to go where he is called. He would rather be with us.
We just took on a radio station that will reach 50k people in the community. He prayed and the staff prayed. They said for him to go for it. His heart convicted him of the 50k people we would now be reaching with the Gospel. This is costing us big bucks. Some in the congregation have stepped forward to help pay for it. He had the breakdown of the 50k he would now be preaching to in my churches surrounding area. I forgot the stats off the top of my head of the churched and non churched and non saved etc.
As far as taxation I'm against it. They tax us then they can dictate what we can preach and do.
For two of the years I've been at my church we've had Wall Builders come minister to us during Mission Month.
Switching over to non Separation of Church and State if I can call it that has been a growth process for me. I had to change the way I thought. A confusing journey for me.
You and tenac when you get some time should visit wallbuilders.com
I encourage you both to do so. You will like it. :)
(I hope I got that right)
Speaking of Christmas...
Sat. I went to Barnes and Noble book store and they were having a 75% off sale on their Christmas items.
I selected a 3D Nativity Advent Calendar.
I brought it home and worked on it for I bet two hrs. First thing I did was change it from a "high church" to a "low church" nativity scene. In other words I cut the halo's off Marys and Josephs heads. lol
Then I had to get rid of the Advent part as I don't want an Advent calendar. I want a paper nativity pop out scene. This makes me a proud owner of two paper nativity pop up scenes. Hmmmmm Does this now make me a collector of these? LOL
Your post reminded me... that I needed to finish up on the rest of the post I never got caught up on. I worked my way back, and from back to forward. Then I quit so I wouldn't get behind on the current post. As of today I'm caught up again on the board.
This month is Missions Month at my church. We had guest missionaries from South Sudan, and North Uganda. They were from Far Reaching Ministries.
The Lords Resistant Army over in Africa is EVIL! Men and women who were seated all around me were wiping tears from their eyes. (I all-ready knew and read about what he shared and showed on video from there, but didn't know the name of the army. Maybe it's L.O.R.A? for short?)
I didn't take that great of notes. Very sad. One thing he said shocked me, but then again not.
He said, 90% of the people who apply for missionaries to Uganda are women. Only 10% are men. The women don't last long. They grow weary in well doing, and explained why.
Also he said in the end times it talks about men will be lovers of pleasure. That's why the 90% applicant rate was from women, with only 10% being from men.
It's a VERY dangerous field to live on.
MARANATHA
Thanks everyone...
I talked to him this morning. I told him his church was a cult. He argued with me and stood up for his church. Told me "wealthy people go there." So what it's still a cult. He said it wasn't a cult that he had a minister etc. I didn't say anything. It's a cult. I'm not going (on everyone's advice here) but I haven't told him yet. Thanks again. It's called:
Church of Religious Science
I did a google. What a weird church. imho
Will be praying for you excel.
I have a question:
Years ago I had a girlfriend (a friend that was a girl) who was a teacher and I also worked with her at a different job. She had a great dis-like for Christians but thought I was o.k. as well as this other teacher who attended and served at my old mission church whom she worked with.
I invited her to an outreach we had. It was a women's luncheon and the guest speaker was the teacher she worked with at public school and liked.
She said she would only come if I went and watched her sing a few songs at the bar where her husbands band played in town.
Oh my. I don't go to bars because living on a Mission field this is not right for me.
I found out the time she would be singing and it was the last of the four sets the band was playing. I decided to go and sure enough everyone in town that was a partier was there.
I listened to her sing three songs and she came down and sat with me. I told her she had a beautiful voice, which she did. I asked her if she was going to sing anymore and she said no. I said o.k then I'm out of here.
She decided to sing again after I left. When she was singing a huge fight broke out between the loggers and tree planters. Chairs were thrown, bottles broken and people hurt. The owner locked the bar. Two patty wagons were called to haul everyone off to jail. Ambulances were called to take some to the hospital. My personal friends that I had seen there left when the fight broke out because they knew what would happen next. (Doors locked because damages would be paid back. 2k on that one)
Oh man,,,,I was so happy I left when I did. She did come to my churches womens luncheon. She didn't get saved. I felt I had a poor trade off.
Now I invited a friend who thinks he's a Christian to my church. He said he would go if I went to his church. His church is a cult. It has some weird name like Christian Scientist. He goes there I bet once every few years now.
I've never been to a cult church before. I'm kind of afraid. Would God like me in some place like that?
If I go is something off the wall going to happen like the time I went and watched my friend sing?
What would you do if you were me??
Revelation 22:11 KJV
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him he holy still.
tenac before I forget
I want to thank you for posting... Can Satan Hear Our Thoughts. That really helped me. I had been wondering that.
Perhaps when the nonbeliever prays they are *talking to themselves because they aren't praying in His name. Maybe that isn't the best choice of words.
terryt post of Jn.15:7-8 The NIV Bible Study note says:
15:7 my words remain in you. It is impossible to pray correctly apart from knowing and believing the teachings of Christ. ask what ever you wish. See 14:13 and note.
Years ago I attended Wed. eve. Bible study at my small mission church. I prayed that my donkeys hoof would heal. My Mennonite friend, after prayer time, and the study begin, said that I shouldn't pray for an animal. I looked around and asked everyone why not? Not one person, even the preacher said that I was wrong.
Many years later my friend who thought it was wrong for me to pray for my donkey prayed for her little dog when something happened to it. LOL
God helped my donkey heal. It was a long process but she lived and didn't go lame. (Her name was Jenny and she was bigger than some mules.)
I don't know about God not *hearing a non-believers prayers.
Luke 16:19
The Rich Man and Lazarus (Hell)
Only Jesus would of known what was said in hell. God Himself would know because our times are in His hands.
Also v24. So he called to him, Father Abraham have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
Notice he's calling out to "Father Abraham". There he is in hell, and he still can't get it right. He's calling for the wrong person to help him. That just blows my mind. Shows me there are no second chances after death.
I was very cautious...
When I moved to the Los Angeles area. I'm not a church hopper. My normal pattern is to join a church and get involved serving.
I'm ill, but I faithfully attend Sun. morn. worship service. My preacher once said something like this from the pulpit and it made me feel good.
"For those of you who come regularly here, don't think you go un noticed.
The fact that you come faithfully, with your presence known, is an encouragement to others."
I tell ya, that was an encouragement to me. I never thought in a million years I was an encouragement to anyone.
Anyway, this was my third church that I tried after I moved to Calif. It's non-denominational. Or that's what I would call it.
On their statement of faith among other things... this I really, really, liked.
We reject the extreme positions of both Calvinism and Arminianism.
I thought I died and went to heaven on that one, as so do I. LOL
husker on this board posted a test once on gifts.
It was pretty accurate for me.
To my surprise my third gift came in as "prophecy" At the time I knew nothing about it. I looked it up and read all the Scriptures about it.
happydog, or anyone, do you know how this gift is used in an extreme Arminianist church? I'm just curious. It's been awhile since I've read up it.
Wake ya up?
Oh no. I was afraid. I was coming out of a Catholic background. I thought he was possessed. He was sitting and standing right next to me.
I'm sure he saw the look on my face... and then I tried to scoot away from him, as I looked around the church for who could help me if something happened. LOL
Then a dear, dear, older lady who is with the Lord now, who was Pentecostal had a talk with me.
O.K. I understood and wasn't afraid anymore. But I wanted away from him as he was so annoying to me. I couldn't think with his speaking in tongues so loud. I didn't want to hurt his feelings. So I,
Sat behind him the next 2 Sundays. Every Sunday I would move back a pew until I was at the back of the small church. Then I made my escape to the other side of the churches back pew for one Sunday. Then all the way up I went with the Mennonites and one Catholic. Finally I was away from him and thought he didn't notice.
OH no, he knew what I was up to. This guy was sharp. LOL
After church he said, "We have to talk" LOL I knew I was dead meat then and there.
After that talk he became one of my best friends. Even after he moved we stayed in touch. I loved him.
He would come up to visit and knock at the door and the first thing he always said, was, "What's the Lord been doing in your life?" I would smile real big and it was always a joy to visit with him.
The church I attend
is the first, what I would call, "Full Gospel" church I have ever attended.
People don't have to stand up. I find that annoying. They can raise up their hands if they want.
Oh for sure we give standing ovations on rare occasions in honor of something good. Like when the Gideon man came to preach and told how many Bibles they gave out that year. Yea. I even made a loud wolf call and my preacher laughed. lol
My preacher has asked questions before during the sermon. I don't think anyone would want to answer....
In the Sanctuary is a large screen. It flashes up different stuff. Pray for our troops. Pray for different missionaries. Prayer and messages from different pastors. Youth, music, assistant pastors, etc. Then Scripture. We're suppose to be praying for stuff and preparing our hearts for worship. If you want to hang, that's cool. Plenty of place to do that. But not there.
What was strange for me when I first went there is I would see people praying with their lips moving but they were silent. Then I payed closer attention. They're praying in tongues.
Better than out loud for me. As I found that annoying as well. (At my old missions church)
I've never been to a Pentecostal or Four Square Church before, but have had friends that I worshipped with and hung with at my old missions church from those denominations.
First time my friend at my old missions church started praying in tongues it scared me. I jumped. I never seen anything like that. I looked over to the other side of the church and my Mennonite girlfriend and Catholic girlfriend were laughing and giggling at me. They could tell I was afraid. LOL LOL