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I am still on it now
Flashing it to scare people into selling. Run will ensue. DD on it's way.
Yes I see your point. Your definition of dilution (in the traditional sense) is correct. However smoke is referring to those shares already being sold to market to raise capital. For all we know they were used in private placement to raise funds. The original 11 investors also had private placements. We do not know the terms of those deals. If Lisa was successful in doing this with the 11 original who is to say she couldn't do it again? I understand what dilution means. But down here some people refer to it as the selling of stock to shareholders so they are left with the bag. I don't see that happening here.
Furthermore if you watch L2 daily you can see its all retail MMs on the bid/ask
There are known dilution MMs in the penny world. NITE and AUTO are not amongst them.
Ah dude you're killing me. The MD OS was brought over to the new NV corp. The NV corp has no outstanding shares. So the OS for NV is what was brought over in the merge. The AS is 1 billion for NV. Read below. Zero issued and zero outstanding of the NV AS. This is all we know!
""WHEREAS, on the date of this Agreement, AAPT NV has authority to issue (a) 1,000,000,000 shares of common stock, par value $0.001 per share (the “AAPT NV Common Stock”), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding, and (b) 10,000,000 shares of preferred stock, par value $0.001 per share (the "AAPT NV Preferred Stock"), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding"
There's a reason they chose KC. It's where they need to be for many reasons. Hopefully they will all come to light.
Is Del Monte privately held? Do they manufacture kibble and bits (off the top of my head)?
It's called the accumulation/distribution line. The distribution relates to the continued selling of a stock. It doesn't show selling.
Don't forget that many people accumulated millions of shares in the sub penny levels. There are many reasons for what we see here. Just because the AS increases does not automatically mean dilution. I think you've been burned too much in penny land before by companies who are in the business of selling stock. AAPT is no typical penny.
If dilution was occurring you would see a heavy decline in the accumulation indicator in the chart. Instead you see a steady climb going opposite the declining pps trend.
Seeing as you're a shareholder you would think that throwing around the word dilution loosely would be hurting the chances of bringing in new money on the boards.
The MD O/S was brought over (as they were previously operating under this Corp) which was 460million. Now that makes the O/S of the NV Corp 460million. They are Authorized for 1billion total under the NV corp. I see where you get the remaining 540million but this does not mean it has been introduced to the O/S. They can't just sell them instantly.
A/S is almost always higher than O/S for good reason. Were you not the one who spoke to Eric when he said that if the company decides to raise the O/S in order to sell shares for working capital that they needed to file an 8-k stating so?
Truth is we don't know what the company is doing with the new shares in the O/S, which is 460million. The accumulation on the chart does not point to dilution. Lisa went to Europe to find new investors. Do you think she went empty handed?
The A/S was probably forced upon them by having to merge the two entities to get their financial house in order. It also gives AAPT a stronger hold on their company because there are a lot of private investors who have a good amount of shares.
"Words are cheap! The 8K facts are real. Seems to me their first goal was to get those NV. 1 Billion shares and sell into the float,,,, Per the 8K, they did. "
You're eluding to the fact that the 1billion is part of the O/S. You can't sell Authorized Shares as they are only authorized, not outstanding.
This is the latest confirmed O/S we have. So you can't keep suggesting that the 1 billion has entered the market. Because that would require them to be issued and outstanding.
"WHEREAS, on the date of this Agreement, AAPT NV has authority to issue (a) 1,000,000,000 shares of common stock, par value $0.001 per share (the “AAPT NV Common Stock”), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding, and (b) 10,000,000 shares of preferred stock, par value $0.001 per share (the "AAPT NV Preferred Stock"), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding;
WHEREAS, on the date of this Agreement, AAPT MD has authority to issue (a) 500,000,000 shares of common stock, par value $0.001 per share (the "AAPT MD Common Stock"), of which approximately 465,182,354 shares were issued and outstanding on June 11, 2012, and (b) 10,000,000 shares of preferred stock, par value $0.001 per share (the “AAPT MD Preferred Stock”), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding;"
That's quite interesting but they seem to focus on pharmaceuticals, not pet food, nutrition and wellness products. AAPT could be a good way for them to break into that market however. The reason I personally think that N is the prime choice is because Lisa made a stop in Switzerland during her European efforts. I find it all too convenient that Nestle's parent is in Switzerland and the Nestle Purina HQ isn't too far away in St. Louis. Then again she was in Germany as well. Either way I'l take it!
That is not a PR. Just somebody trying to predict what is going to happen and has not been right thus far. Anybody can create a document and post it to PRLOG. It's not from the company and carries no weight nor merit. Should be ignored in my opinion.
MMs are taking advantage of this quiet period and are making money on the spread. It's too easy for them to manipulate at these levels without anybody of importance taking notice. Once we start to get developments this will take off as usual.
That is very interesting. Can you provide any other info or links on that? Thanks!
In my mind the deal is done and dusted. But even though AAPT is in control I think N would be in the driver seat. They will want things done on their accord as they are the seasoned vets. Plus they have been receiving a lot of bad press lately with Purina and the last thing they would want to announce is a JV because it will look like they are giving up hope on the purina line.
And I think the reason the company has gone quiet is because this board is filled with the N rumor. If said company was involved and it's not yet public information, I don't think they'd want to be associated with a company leaking info. In my opinion AAPT has been told to shut up on all fronts seeing as they have a habit of leaking info. Ie coming to a retailer April 1st etc
Were in the 8-K does it say the O/S is 1billion? Oh wait, IT DOESN'T
We saw a confirmed O/S increase to 460 million (as I recall). The A/S is 1billion. I believe even you said when you spoke to Eric the company had to release an 8-k 72 hours after an O/S increase, which they did, which was only an increase of 140million shares, up from the past O/S of 320million. If it wasn't you who spoke to him, then somebody else on this board did.
Also if you read the chart, the accumulation has risen as the pps has slid. This is not dilution.
PAWtizer reviews starting to come in
http://thoughtsfurpaws.com/
This site has 4700 followers on twitter as well.
The problem with Facebook advertising is that it goes unnoticed. Facebook has a big issue on it's hands because the majority of users are accessing Facebook via their mobile devices. As of now there are no ads on their mobile platform. I wouldn't want to see AAPT waste money on Facebook ads for now. PPC advertising on mobile is skyrocketing above traditional web, but facebook has no ads. So it's a bit of a pickle. I think they need TV spots, Morning talk shows and in store advertisements.
MM's also trade for themselves. They don't only create a market. When a stock is trading sideways like this they can do this quite easily because they know they won't get caught out. It was very similar the last time we were in the .02 range.
GENIUS! Why haven't I thought of this before.
Haha its funny how they use that as a scare tactic. If every company started making a profit right away I wouldn't be investing here I would be starting my own company because bashers make it sound so simple.
LONG AAPT
An uplisting would most likely be a requirement for any big player to enter into a JV or swap deal. This is why Eric has told numerous people his #1 priority is the financials. They may not be pretty, seeing as product just started to sell on Amazon, but the fact they are completing them is good enough. This should put them in the right direction.
The O/S was only raised by 140m shares. Not really necessary for an R/S.
great chart. thanks for sharing
I have been here since .0018. So I personally think the stock is doing great in a short amount of time. If you need reassurance, look at Lisa's past history. She has a habit of starting successful businesses and then selling them off. True we don't have financials yet, but this company is turning itself around for the better. We can't expect everything all at once. I think the merger of the MD/NV corporations were a requirement to get their financial house in order.
I agree with you and this all takes time. Not only do they have to manufacture all the product, they also will have to deal with packaging, marketing/promotions and shipping of all this product. It's not an easy launch. People get all worried if they don't hear from the company for a few weeks. Do you really think they are just sitting back watching the pps decline? No, they are working their butts off to make this a profitable company. The pps will reflect that in due time. Accumulating at these levels is ideal. Hell look at the chart if people need proof.
I think people are missing the big picture here. It's quite clear AAPT was ready to deliver PAWtizer to stores based on that photo of all the pallet racks filled with product. One should think to themselves why they would hold back on shipping those out. Perhaps their new sales force is out re-negotiating those contracts to include the ENTIRE AAPT product line, which includes food products.
AAPT could have easily limped into the market place with PAWtizer as we have seen with Amazon. But I think they are going for a bigger impact. Having all products hit shelves at once, nationwide. In order to do this, they will need working capital. Hence the reason Lisa was in Europe, to find new investors. Maybe this explains the increase in O/S. In my mind these shares haven't been diluted but have been used in either a share swap or private placement. They would be getting direct funding to start manufacturing the new products. Don't forget all that new equipment must be in there as well.
I think people need to step back a bit and read the DD. Don't fall for cheap tricks on these boards. This saw a nice run from .001s to .08 based on pure hype of the PAWtizer release. Imagine how it will run once we hear of a range of products being released. We know they are in the works based on the PRs.
MMs having their fun. When's it our turn?!
Haha so much manipulation end of day by ATDF (AUTO). Hiding the share count on the ask at .0229 with 15k when a lot of buys went through and then they fill the 200k at .02 on the bid.
Get YOUR facts right. The O/S was raised only roughly 140m shares and you do not know what they are used for. Using the word dilution is wrong because there is no evidence of that.
I've bought in between .0018 and .07
I am very long here and these prices do not bother me. I will be picking up more tomorrow. These are bargain deals and we all know the potential here and that's why I am buying.
The O/S was 320m not 235m. Each share is worth the current pps
Glad you could make it. That board can get intense at times. You won't find much bs around here.
Haha oh well. Good close none the less
Needed that for my own sanity haha. Lookin for a great week. All American Pet Company gonna run next week on our Independence Day. Couldn't be written any better.
I don't think so. I believe MMSTOCKPLAY confirmed its been 320m for awhile and the increase probably only happened recently. Perhaps Eric can confirm. Although the timing of the increase may reveal too much for us longs!
Who's gonna paint today?!
The O/S before was 320m. So only 140m or so have been added since the last O/S increase months ago. Lisa just went to Europe to seek new investors and must it thought necessary to have these shares for private placement or share swap! Think about it!
Confirmed O/S per the 8-k
WHEREAS, on the date of this Agreement, AAPT MD has authority to issue (a) 500,000,000 shares of common stock, par value $0.001 per share (the "AAPT MD Common Stock"), of which approximately 465,182,354 shares were issued and outstanding on June 11, 2012, and (b) 10,000,000 shares of preferred stock, par value $0.001 per share (the “AAPT MD Preferred Stock”), of which zero (0) shares are issued and outstanding;