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A good read. One might want to check this video out. It's a long one, but has some very thought provoking points and maybe worth the time. Now the guy might be trying to sell something, but there still is some validity in what is said and has some connection to that article.
You forgot this part of the quote:
I stated what it was, just some people don't want to get it, no matter even if it's broke down for them or not. Wonder who are all those shares for sale that VERT and FANC have? All any "smart investor" (LOL) has to do to get them of the ask is buy all those shares up. Doesn't seem to be happening. Selling yes.
Go for it, why don't you do the .0002-.0003 and see all the money one can make. Watched this stock for a very long time and know exactly what action really happens. It's been declining for some time and now has no assets, no product, no employees, no business and even the office isn't paid for and is being closed from what I gather. Just DF and any cohorts selling shares.
But I guess anyone can post about all the trades and big money that is being made, like I said go for it, its your money.
What a flippin joke. Just like Phaeton is a joke, a lier, thief, and manipulator, doesn't matter what his name is. Still is a cause for losses of investors and a criminal in my book. Nothing but hot air and definitely not who he puts himself out to be. He's a phony and a fraud.
Well that "some smart investor" has to get through all those shares for sale by VERT and FANC. Lots for sale and only reason for this scam.
Come on everyone "over there", call all the Federal authorities and legal connections one can muster up. Lets see it, don't just talk, do the dance. I'm sure "Phaeton" will have some BS of why not and how he's handling it, but come on, really one doesn't have to jump over a cliff just because he says to.
If one thinks there is "illegalities" over here, one should call and pursue it. It will just help expose the BS "over there".
Maybe next week, you'll be up for a possible 100% LOSS. But to each their own.
Is there some reason that you are posting stock quotes from at least 20 pennies today. You have only about a few thousand to go to post these stock everyday quote information from an Internet source. These are standard, maybe you can get all the other Internet standard shots also.
Looks like spamming to me.
I'm really starting to like that lady. Just wish she would come out with some articles before the obvious. My only b__, but still like her.
But it is going to be highly volatile and manipulatable. Thats what dead tickers are, not quite dead, but used. I would not be the least surprised if DF doesn't have a hand in making money with shares here also. The guy is a real crook and not just because he spent any night in the Holiday Inn with his hooker girlfriend.
You might want to go check the SOS of Nevada where this shell is registered. There are no active officers and no business, only a shell. The last filings were the resignation of all old officers leaving nobody to run anything.
The prospective officers that were going to have anything to do with this shell have now resigned and have stated they aren't going to have anything to do with this shell or anything to do with the company BEHL that was going to buy the shell. All employees of BEHL have quit and are owed for past wages and even money given to the company. It's over and done.
This shell is just a ticker with no business, no employees, no product, and no registered officers to run anything. Just a ticker floating around.
I believe there is some illegalities in play here with something like that. There is inside information given to a specific group of people for one thing. Up to the SEC and other federal entities to sort it out. All the old employees and ones who have had a working relationship should be talking to the federal authorities about all the BS that DF has been up too along with whoever is helping him perpetrate this scam. But thats just my opinion. But I do respect all the ones who are separating themselves from DF and this scheme. I wish them well and good luck in better endeavors.
Sometimes it is hard for ones on the outside not knowing the full situation of the working environment that ones on the inside are having to deal with. Angry thoughts that are really directed at the true perpetrator like DF and any cohorts sometimes find their way to the ones who don't deserve it. I apologize for any that I have had that have been misdirected due to reasons I just explained.
Time to end this and stop the perpetrators from just doing it again with some other shell and scam. It only lessens us as a society and helping to stop the insanity will only strengthen one self.
Well he lies, cheats, BS, and acts like a low life criminal just like DF. Just a bunch of talk, no action other than misleading shareholders. Maybe we should have "Phaeton" do the interview with DF. That should be a "very good show".
I think George C Scott would be proud -- The Flim Flam Man.
It's almost like he wants to be caught and just can't help himself.
Oh, they still have DF and his last ragtag cohorts and the promoter with their big yak, yak, yak of legal battles that even if could come to pass would be at enormous cost for DF and whatever one might call whats left and literally years of litigation. Not going to happen, it will be much cheaper and more profitable to just do another shell scam somewhere else along with the fact "they" know it's all baloney and will only expose themselves.
Right now all the BEHLeviers have is just the BS that the BS can spew. Worth nothing but hopes by the perpetrators to sell the last of the shares possible before this thing goes to no bid. Talk is worth about .0002 right now, better get them before they go to nothing.
What a bunch of whooy. Lets see some documented reports and/or court documents. At least a public PR instead of just from a BSer. What is DF and the promoter going to pay the lawyer fees with, worthless shares? This sort of statements are common with scam public pinkies. Where is that REAL company with the "free" shares supposed to be. No filings of any kind and just an imaginary company that was never going to happen.
I want to see this in the courts, lets get all the ones and names involved in this BS out in the open, including the promoter. Lets have it public record how and where all the money is going and how the shares are being doled out, what for, and how they are getting sold. All the public PRs and how they've turned out and all of the deception DF and his promoter have been doing. Lets break this WIDE open. You bet. I'm rolling, hilarious. DF better get his divorce attorney together first.
By the time anything could even get through the courts, this ticker will be totally worthless except some shell that at this point going to be hard to sell. It is going to come with a massive amount of baggage.
Any court action, DF and promoter will have to be on the defensive, not offensive. Any actions will more than likely be coming at them, not from them. IMHO
The interview is only a delay tactic, doesn't even really have to happen. Money to be made for the perpetrators and about a week is a good amount of days to do so. Along with that, some of the natives were getting restless and something was needed to jerk them around some more. It's all part of the game -- deception and leading the flock is the biggest part.
Not going to make anyones holdings worth any more, but just less. The misery is almost over for ones who still dream that this is anything but just a scam hoax. It will be worth nothing pretty soon except the lesson.
I wish for justice impaled upon the criminals for Xmas, never know, might just happen.
Looks like as long as the BS promoter has even a couple of BEHLieveres, he's going to continue to sell the snake oil. Someone get a bigger hammer or bring in some blind folk to help out here. Blind people can see better than some of the total denial going on here. Really, it's ok to admit you were duped, it happens to all of us at some point.
Nodummy has given nothing but factual data and information as he's got it. With no other reason but awareness. And I'm sure glad there is a few people out there like him that still is willing to do that. Strange how one focuses on some particular point or group of words. Nodummy has supplied massive amounts of DD and not many even get close to the time spent on it. I'm sure glad and thankful that nodummy has donated his time. Even if it's always easier to listen to some low-life lying promoter on some self-serving promotional site.
The promoter probably still has to get rid of more of his shares and needs every penny picked from every pocket that he can. But, geez, this is just getting ridiculous to continue to follow him.
It is time for the last of the remaining few to pick up the knife and fork and feed oneself for once. Or just at least donate the last of the change that the shares are worth and give to a good cause. This one isn't it.
Good luck with that. Suuuuure they are. This is just a game between suckers and big fish.
I woke up today and saw that there are absolutely no active officers of this ticker at the SOS of Nevada still. All the old officers have resigned and this is a total empty shell ticker with nothing of value except waiting for a shell game to become lower in pps or R/S IMO.
But at this time, BNPD is not any valid registered business. No S-1 filings either with the SEC and they have to become a valid registered business first. Then all the toxic accounting and legal issues will have to be cleared up.
There will be nothing to "offer" in the future except maybe a little spike with more "forward looking" PRs if or when the shell game begins. Thats how I and a lot of others see this.
Calling this company is the worst place for information and DD in my view. They are a PR sales machine. All you'll get is a either a sales pitch or just plain BS or really both. Same as listening to a BS promoter, just tells you what you want to hear.
Still haven't heard any good answers to the question "can somebody name the Press Releases that we can verify actually did happen as advertised?"
Nodummy has been giving some great DD and some factual data. The picture is there, all one has to do is just uncover ones eyes to see it. No worries, got a feeling more is going to get painted.
web.archive.org thats a good one to mark.
Got to love this statement from the same old website:
"BioCentric Energy Incorporated is in the development, implementation, and build out of biodiesel facilities that will provide a yearly capacity of 200 million gallons by the end of 2010. Our partnered refineries will be able to produce roughly 10% of the projected 2 billion gallons of our nation’s yearly Biodiesel production by 2010 as projected by the National Biodiesel Board (NBB)."
http://web.archive.org/web/20070623145414/www.biocentricenergy.com/Home_Page.html
Where can I fill up?
I guess I got that across wrong. Wasn't trying to talk anyone into buying this POS. Been around for quite awhile myself. Just noting that there was some good research being done proving that this is nothing but a shell game. All the same old people that some don't know about. This shell game is got the same "good old people" that are all connected and has had the same promoters at the same time. The research that I was talking about that is being done shows that BEHL and BNPD have been around each other for years and it was just interesting to see it all in one place.
Believe me, its not anything positive to give any reasons to buy BNPD or BEHL, but to stay the heck away from it, just pointing to some factual research. Look at my posts, been warning for some time that this is nothing but a "reverse razzle dazzle". But I apologize, didn't mean to interrupt your conversation. Should of directed my post differently.
People that are running this thing aren't so "new". Lots of info over at the BEHL board with all the connections that these people have in common. Look at all the posts over at BEHL that has been researched out with the ones involved in this shell game. Plenty of documented facts with all the connections. Check out "nodummy" posts, poster is a research machine.
We've been saying that timing is getting tight and they would have to get a show together. Maybe even come out with another "forward looking" paid PR. They have to do something. Move some plastic around, do some promotional message board yak yak, flow some water, etc., say something like "look we really have something", "don't sell those shares". My personal thoughts, "we need them for a shell base" and "our atm is getting low".
I'm willing to look at any REAL DD. Maybe one could share some of theirs? Put it up on the board, lets all take a look at it.
Thats how the game gets played. Statistically, not good. By the time if and any shares come your way, those and the shares that they came from are utterly worthless. Like I said, IF one even gets them.
Reverse "razzle dazzles", common in the pinky world and that game is played all the time. DF and company tried and failed the game once already. Problem is, only created downfall in the pps anyway and the only losses came from the shareholders. Anybody holding any shares from that time? What are they worth?
I can't quite remember the pps without looking, close to .04-.05 I believe. .0004-.0005 works the same way, just more shares available (created by dilution and all the A/S increases), nice take for someone with all the losses that will happen again. R/S is always available.
Whoooo. Go BEHL -- NOT
For a new guy or gal, you seem to post some very factual points along with some "food for thought" statements. Points that we so called "bashers", but just realists and ones who speak about pinky market awareness and this company's deceptive practices, have been stating.
Yes, PR's are part of evidence along with certain statements of written record. Why a certain promoter on a promotional site continues to edit effortlessly and continuously to try to protect his a$$ along with using the delete key forever to cover ones tracks and use "followers" to speak for them.
Why there seems to be a lack of public PR's from DF and company(s) and lack of financial documents, public documented verification, or updates on the Pink Sheets and reduction of market standing to "Limited Information" (might as well be "no information", same thing at this point IMO).
One only sees now for most part, "interpreters" for DF and company and as you said posters (or "partners") on a small time promotional site and here at Ihub posting "high dollar" deals and partnerships. Quite suspicious and strange indeed and not normal to say the least or indication of a real valid and successful business, but just the opposite. By the way, "high dollar deals" usually mean not free money, but a lot of debt and conditions, putting real profit for shareholders much farther away.
Like I said before, there has been great information about light factors, optimal growth periods, and geological conditions coming from BigBake (great stuff), but there has been no production or valid commercial product from DF or company with any conditions. That is unless one counts dilution and "forward looking statements" that don't come to fruition.
Here is couple of recorded PR's just for a small taste of all the failures that have happened with DF and company.
SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA and GEORGETOWN, SC--(Marketwire - November 3, 2009) - BioCentric Energy Holdings, Inc. and Renewed World Energies (PINKSHEETS: BEHL) today confirmed the companies are in receipt of combined purchase orders for both ALGAE Bio Mass and ALGAE Oil products totaling in excess of Six Million Dollars.
The newly combined companies today made the announcement confirming the first one-acre-sized combined closed loop photobioreactor systems which will be based at the Georgetown, SC facility to accommodate and start the purchase order production. The company will increase the acreage in modular increments to facilitate the completion of the purchase orders. RWE has expansion access to adjacent properties of over 20 acres for ALGAE farm productivity with a possible additional 300 acres when required. The terms of the current purchase orders in hand are for full completion by December 2010. The first modular combined closed loop systems are expected to be operational by the end of this year (2009).
Results? Financials showing sales? Hows that "operational" system working out that was supposed to be working a year ago, let alone not working even now a year later?
Dec 21, 2009
"The company has modified the merger agreement with corporate ally "Renewed World Energies," based in Georgetown, South Carolina to that of a Joint Venture (JV) agreement. Mr. Fisher commented, "The terms of the JV agreement are more realistic to work with from a Geographic standpoint at this time. Simultaneously with the construction of the Santa Ana, California closed loop system, the companies will be constructing a BioCentric second-generation closed loop system at Renewed Energies' Georgetown facility. The simultaneous production and completion of both systems is designed to expedite the scientific research for new ALGAE strains along with the expedited production of the existing orders. Both companies are currently working together to finalize the new Omega 3 with EPA ALGAE strain.""
"Expidited production of the existing orders" Where's the financial statements that are showing those orders -- what orders? Where is RWE? Not with DF and company.
Jan 4th, 2010 PR
"RWE, Georgetown, South Carolina
By the end of January 2010, the BEHL Team will be returning to South Carolina to assist the RWE Team in building an acre of the BioCentric Algae Pro Photobioreactor to fulfill the first in-house purchase order of Omega 3. This collaboration is anticipated to be the first of many as the people of RWE have shown a tremendous knowledge base that will benefit BEHL now and into the future.
Lone Star College, Woodlands, Texas
NAA President Barry Cohen has arranged for Lone Star College to provide land, water, and electricity for a test unit of the BioCentric Algae Pro Photobioreactor to be assembled at the College. Once operational, the Photobioreactor will go through a series of verifications to quantify and ascertain exact results which, at the third level of testing, will be independently managed by a third party for unbiased results. Upon completion, the Algae Pro Photobioreactor will have certification published from the National Algae Association.
BEHL advancing to OTCBB
BioCentric CFO Frank Rawson has narrowed the field of SEC Auditors down to three, in the coming weeks BEHL will formally announce the selection of this crucial element in completing our Form 10 to uplist to OTCBB. His target date for completion is February 15th. BioCentric SEC Attorney Kristin Cano has begun the process of completing the Form 10 registration. Ms. Cano's target date for completion is February 20th. Additionally Tom Cleveland has been contracted to author the updated Business Plan for BEHL. The target date for the updated Business Plan completion is February 5th.
Projected Sources of Revenue for 2010
1) 18 "Desktop" Continuous Flow Photobioreactors in year 1
2) 24 "Wall Unit" Photobioreactors in year 1
3) 36 "Culturing Systems" in Year 1
4) 20 Acres of Algae Pro Photobioreactors in year 1
5) Management Contract for 20 Acres of Algae Pro Photobioreactors in year 1
6) Commission for the sale of production of 20 Acres of Algae Pro Photobioreactors in year 1"
FAILURES
And this is the real classic:
Feb 24, 2010
""In the past I have regurgitated what I believed, from information that was conveyed to me, by those who I bestowed my faith and trusted in their abilities. I did this... No one else. I accept full responsibility for not achieving on the dates I published... I accept full responsibility for allowing others to manage what I should have. I accept full responsibility to manage with little or no accountability. For this I accept responsibility and have tendered my resignation as CEO, but will resume the title of VP Business Development of BEHL as of April 4th, 2010."
Still mismanaging, still failing shareholders, still using slick sales talk and mis-information, still using deceptive practices, and still CEO due to no respectable or experienced person wants the job except maybe for some puppets on a string.
Could just fill pages up of "future contracts being worked on" of implying that all of them would be making large profits for shareholders and all the results that were supposed to be happening that haven't.
"Best for shareholders" was a statement by DF about a reverse "razzle dazzle" and it was looked at better than RS or increasing the AS and float. Then two large AS increases since then anyway with no filings other than that. Pinky shell games.
Heck, I'm still waiting for proof they can even grow the red algae. Then the harder part is to harvest the correct strain, and actually get it to a sellable product on a commercial scale. Kind of a mute point about cloud cover and growing in optimal light when they haven't even proved they can grow it at all, let alone get it to a marketable product.
Meanwhile as proven by the pps, it would have been better to invest more wisely in other investments as recently as last week. Odds of investing more wisely and with greater profits elsewhere are still possible and more than likely, probable.
DF and company has been nothing but BS under the cover of a green industry and just using the idea to continue fleecing any investors in my view.
Here's some questions to ask:
What's a pps down trend of this stock? The odds that it will be worth 33% less next week as it is worth less this week than last?
What are sub pinky "reverse dividends" and what is the normal effect of them on a sub pinky stock such as this one?
Where are the financials and what does the lack of them really tell one?
What are years of PR's that never come to pass indicate a company such as this one is and given their total failure in the past indicate the odds of failure in the future (other than just a belief or dream).
What is dilution and how does it effect this pinky stock price?
What are info commercials, how do BS promoters use there influence in this stock?
How do games people play attack posters who tell the negative truths about this company?
Where and what are any positive (and negative) and documented results backing those results of this company?
How do pinky stocks such as this one play the stock shell game and what are the usual results of that?
How is the competition and other algae industry fairing much better and farther ahead in getting big financing, support, and positive results and success?
Why professional experts and experience have left this company or "not have the time" to take any offer given to them with this company (not just this company's or promoters excuses)?
Why has this company used nothing but deceptive practices?
Why are there so many red flags with this company?
Really could go on and on, but thats enough for now. Now real DD is that these questions can not be answered by BS promoters who do nothing but use their influence of fancy speech and low life sales tactics that have to edit and edit and edit (.....) or from the pinky company that has used deceptive practices like this one. The supporters can not answer these questions without dreams or just beliefs properly in order to keep up a fallacy, but still good questions to properly answer without the pinky board games.
Way too many understand what this company is and who the promoters are (and helpers) and what pinky games that are played by them. The red flag, and a giant one, is the fact that the deceptive games are being played and are the only means by which this company can be supported.
True facts are that this company is continuing to be diluted, the pps is continuing to trend down, the company has had no success in any of the public PR's over the last two years, the company has been mismanaged (other than selling shares), has only used a pattern of deceptive PRs and promotional tactics, now lack of financial statements, reduced to a pinky shell game, and promoters or supporters can give no proof to any real validity other than attack games to people that state the negative truths to this company.
For ones who ask for "proof" might ask for "proof" of any reasons to invest in this company other than dreams, phony promoting tactics, info commercials or forward looking statements.
Best for one not to play with the phonies, dreams, or any other BS, but just the real pinky market or proven successes of a company (in which there are none for DF and company).
These are links to the SOS of Nevada and the SEC filings site
Business Entity Search SOS Nevada
SEC Filings
The only filings for BNPD are the resignation of all the old officers and there are no active officers at this time and BNPD is only a shell. Also no new filings at the SEC as of yet to be approved for any dividend or supposed up-listing with any new officers (DF and company from BEHL). Can check the BEHL Ihub forum board for information or discussion with this stock, same company who his supposedly buying this shell.
BNPD is not a legal or valid business at this time - zero shares traded yesterday with VERT offering shares at a 52 week low and a stop sign on the pink sheets.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BNPD/quote
"STOP no information"
"Indicates companies that are not able or willing to provide disclosure to the public markets - either to a regulator, an exchange or Pink Sheets. Companies in this category do not make Current Information available via the OTC Disclosure and News Service, or if they do, the available information is older than six months.
Pink Sheets No Information includes defunct companies that have ceased operations as well as 'dark' companies with questionable management and market disclosure practices. Publicly traded companies that are not willing to provide information to investors should be treated with suspicion and their securities should be considered highly risky."
More extreme volume with a lower low on the trend and new 52 week low.
As to who is making money and how much, who knows the complete story, could be a promoter that pretends to be ones buddy and leader. No financials or filings available, who knows. Doors still open though with a big flashing sign out front "shares for sale cheap". Get them before they go on sale for even cheaper next week.
How much can one get for that $500 spent yesterday? I know -- $300
Well, maybe someone tried and the broker got the best price .0003 or maybe just an ending data packet number. Geez, it not like this hasn't been an open book if one just looks at the pictures and doesn't even read.