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Mattu

04/28/01 11:27 AM

#922 RE: Was (Bob) #921

>>"Rich has his money safely stashed offshore" -- relevant, Rich is strongly associated with the company

After a few minutes of thought, this is just as irrlevant as Josef having money offshore.

It's just like saying the guy has his money in a Suntrust Bank account or a Citicorp account.

I think what is getting mixed in here with this is perception of what an 'offshore account' is. Just because someone has an offshore acct, doesn't make him dirty. If that was the case, then a significant amount of the people in the stock market would be criminals.

I think it is completely irrelvant where any officer has his money. And especially when it isn't backed by any kind of explanation or thoughts. The guy who posted that accomplished what he wanted. To disrupt the entire flow of discussion.

With that in mind, I'm curious to know how this is actually relevant to the dicussion. Nobody can refute or figure out if this guy is wrong or right. So how does it add to the "discussion"? That's what a discussion is about. A debate with some sort of intelligent thought backing it.

MB


p.s. I'm am playing the devil's advocate here for constructive purposes. Nothing more.


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Poet

04/28/01 11:53 AM

#923 RE: Was (Bob) #921

Hi Bob,

When will the "Hot" button be working, so we'll know when we sign on where the posting action's been?

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Lisa aka Viperchick

04/28/01 2:08 PM

#929 RE: Was (Bob) #921

"If it's a lie, refute it."

So, is it your position that if a COB posts a lie, then the victim should have the ability to refute it?

If this is your position, then I should have the ability to refute statements made by Jenna on her thread in reference to me and have MY posts LEFT STANDING instead of being deleted. Tim Luke should also have that ability as should Lola and David Smith , etc... except that Tim Luke says he has been banned. It is not enough for the COB to delete her own post hours or days after making it in a POSSIBLE attempt to cover her tracks for whatever reason. The victim should still have the right to respond.

The COB should not be able to conduct herself one way and then demand everyone else stay "on topic".

And as JXM so aptly put it. (paraphrased)..just because person A says something about person B does not mean that person B has the right to come up with the wildest fantasies about person C and state them as fact.(.okay..so I added a couple of extra words there, JXM ;-)))


There is an interesting concept in the law concerning what can be construed from the fact that a person doesn't refute an allegation. The general populace might think that someone isnt refuting an accusation but in reality ..all that has happened is that the tyrannical COB refused to let them respond.




A very simple example of Jenna's activity would be:
Jenna stating IT IS PROVEN that so and so and such and such..

.If the person knows it is a lie they should have the ability to respond . And certainly if this adminstration knows something is a lie..such as IT IS PROVEN THAT LOLA IS LISA , then Lola or Lisa should have the ability to respond. What if Lisa is a nefarious Drug Queen Pin and part of a Columbian high powered drug ring.. known in some circles but Lola doesn't know that is her reputation.....I don't think Lola would want to be associated with that.....and in fact..harm could come to Lola because of people thinking she is associated with that group. You may think that is far fetched...but those things do happen and murder and mayhem is common in this world. Then the COB posts personal information about Lola and now people know how to get her....

Farfetched?, Maybe
But do some extrapolation and then talk to some prosecutors and cops in New York to find out what can happen to people. What if some crazy whacko has a vendetta against Lisa but now sees that Lola is Lisa and the COB posts Lola's personal information...Oh yeah, something could happen to Lola or her family.

Then there is the whole thing that happened on SI with the abortion saga. Anyone witnessing it surely understands that people were traumatically effected by it.

Great harm can come to people because of words written on a message board.




This administration knows that Lola is not Lisa and knows that it can't be proven that Lola is Lisa. It has always struck me as odd that the administration would knowingly allow someone to make statements that can't be true and that they know aren't true... but not give the victims the ability to respond to the statements of fact.

As I have repeatedly stated ad nauseam, Jenna's actions on this site exemplify the problems associated with the COB concept. It only need be extrapolated




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Lisa aka Viperchick

04/28/01 8:16 PM

#948 RE: Was (Bob) #921

"Says who? Me? No. I don't know whether the statement is true or false and will not allow it to
remain deleted using that as the reason. What if the statement is later proven true? The site
would be in deep doo-doo for having taken it upon itself to say "No, that's a false statement." My
leaving it intact doesn't mean I think it's true either. Because the bottom line is that I (and the
site) do not determine what is true and what is false."


Change the topic to copyright law violation...who is to say whether something is violating copyright law. Just because someone says that he owns the rights to something doesn't mean he does...so what then?

and yes, chat sites can be held liable for copyright law violation....

as one can generally see from an excerpt on this page

http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-copyrights.html

Just because it is posted on the net doesn't mean it is free for the taking. No one would ever become a photojournalist if they didnt have some legal protection in reference to their photos.....

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Francois+Goelo

04/28/01 9:02 PM

#949 RE: Was (Bob) #921

Bob, I delete LIBELOUS STATEMENTS because...

as a non-employee of iHUB, I am concerned with my potential Liability and I keep a Log of your re-instatements of the posts I delete, so that when someone like McBride decides to sue iHUB for allowing defamatory claims to stand, I'll be in the clear...

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=79183

Here is a case in point, where the Libelous statements have been presented as facts, not opinions and where you restored the post, in spite of the fact it contained a personal attack on McBride (a poster here) and had previously been deleted with the consent of Matt Brown, the owner of the Website:

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=78230

5) Suppliers are already seeking counsel for recovery.
7) Don't hold your breath for Rich to step up - his money is safely stashed offshore.

I didn't delete Schoffer's post because it wasn't Libelous, presented a good opportunity to make my point and because you would have restored it immediately, in accordance with your theories... In addition, other posters, besides myself pointed out its inadequacies in subsequent posts...

Still, I believe that longs should show the example and be voluntarily held to higher standards than the bashers...

JMHO, F. Goelo + + +








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Francois+Goelo

04/28/01 9:17 PM

#950 RE: Was (Bob) #921

Bob, your original request for deletion was:

"Josef and Mark should go back to the Police Accademy and not to invest in anything." (suggestion)

"I note, with some chagrine, that the other post containing nothing but a personal attack against two posters still hasn't been removed."

...which someone subsequently deleted... It's clear to me that you viewed the post as a personal attack and "nothing" more... I added "irrelevant" because that's the slant you suggested in a PM, where the notion of personal attack no longer appeared...

Yet, in the case of a violation, far more prejudicial to the target, IMO, you actually re-instated a post, even though it contained Libel, personal attack and had already been deleted once, with Matt's consent, for this statement...

5) Suppliers are already seeking counsel for recovery.
7) Don't hold your breath for Rich to step up - his money is safely stashed offshore."
(statement of "fact")

You seemed to welcome opinions on this subject...

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=79101

...And most agreed that Libel would also likely be a Personal attack...

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=79113

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=79134

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=79183

BUT you didn't take that into account, probably because it wasn't what you wanted to hear... So, now we are going again with another round comparing the same statement with one that's fairly innocuous but that you wanted deleted...

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=88127

BTW, McBride is NOT a Company Director or Officer and the allegations cannot be disputed by other posters, who can't possibly know the Truth... One cannot practically sue every time libel is posted, so the only effective remedy, is deletion...

By deleting the post, the evidence still remains on file for the Authorities, so I fail to understand why you're so inflexible on this issue and taking an attitude contrary to the majority of the feed back you've received, including Matt's...

http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=88131

If you feel one post should be deleted, in all FAIRNESS, so should the other one, to remove the appearance of BIAS...

JMHO, F. Goelo + + +