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[David Fowler]

When is this change expected to occur?

Thanks

[fourkids_9pets]

very nice news ..

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[j$tops]

I think this awesome Shelly Bravo!!!!!

[ed3/6me]

shelly. do we require people to prove bias or being neutral as a moderator? and how much time is required to spend on a site. have many entries and would volunteer except for time constraints

[Slojab]

Moderators are going to have to work as a team for any iBox changes or sticky notes. Admin will still not be getting involved in these disputes of User generated content except in the case of TOS violations. We will be supportive of teams working together to resolve any challenges

How do you stop one mod from putting up a sticky, only to have another remove it, then the other putting it back up, etc, etc, etc?

On boards I've assisted on, I've always bowed to the mod to determine which posts to sticky and I've never made a change to an iBox, other than to update such things as the SS.

[Stock_Barber]

Adding my 2 cents...

Board mod teams are generally either pro or con a stock, and that obviously taints boards. That said, I'd suggest maybe requiring at least one "dissenting" mod on each board. i.e. no deck stacking.

Without someone ultimately responsible for a board, I predict that the iBox and stickeys will become a warzone having to be settled in the principal's office daily.

[Cassandra]

From what it sounds is the intended future position/action by iHub based upon your post, I believe this will be a very positive step forward in the selection of cooperating moderators for specific stock forums and how they will be expected to work together.

From what I understand, this appears to be a good move IMO!!!

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68253480

[Renee]

Change in Stock Board Moderator Assignments: Constructive Suggestions:

#1) Since one objective for the change is to have T.O.U. compliant moderators who are supposed to be sentiment agnostic in applying the T.O.U. I think 4 moderators should easily be able to monitor a stock specific board in conjunction with ADMIN and Mod Squad supervision. The current number of 7 (one Mod 6 Assistants) typically comprises some status positions (IRP's for example) whose apparent roles are to influence positive sentiment on that stock and have appeared to moderate with bias.

2) Since there won't be a head Moderator to ensure the other 6 adhere to the T.O.U. without bias / prejudice and who have had the authority to delete any non-compliant Assistant Mod's posts or reverse their deletion / restore decisions on members' posts I can envision abuses or liberties taken by peer Mods who may apply the T.O.U. with bias / prejudice and who may also try to control the sticky note and I-Box content with bias / prejudice. I don't know a simple answer to this potential problem, but maybe ADMIN could enlist more Mod Squadders and then assign a Mod Squadder (singularly or as a group) as the Head Moderator of problematic stock specific boards. ADMIN trusts the Mod Squadders and it would keep problems at the message board level (on problematic boards) without peer mods haranguing ADMIN for interventions of squabbles.

The recent SEC Rountable focussed on Pump and Dump schemes. ADMIN have stated they will not rule on sticky notes or I-Boxes that abide the T.O.U. By not having a neutral person, eg., a Mod Squadder as the Head Mod on problematic boards who can ensure fair representation in sticky notes and I-boxes it is reasonable to think that pump and dump schemers who are board Mods WILL take biased liberties with sticky notes and I-Boxes. By the time ADMIN resolves any conflicts among peer Mods the damage from one-sided and biased sticky notes and I-Boxes would have already occured.

3) It may be a consideration to not allow I.R.P.'s to moderate stock specific boards where they have had or are conducting awareness campaigns purely on the appearance they have a bias towards that stock.

[Entangled Proton]

I can see both good and bad in those changes. I van give an example of where I put the opposition up as a mod and resolved a lot of problems. He was on the constant attack and every other post was a tos violation. Since I put him up as mod without his request, he's been an outstanding poster with no tos violations. He's still the opposition but the attacks have ceased and the board is smooth operating now.

I can give another example where I've received a number of request to be mods where the sole purpose of their being mod is to delete information from the Ibox that hinders their ability to pump the stock. They always give that argument, well that's old stuff. But it's not old stuff to those who've lost their shirts.

I think the rule changes opens the door for P&D promoters and scammers to continue and carry P&D scams on and on.
I recently got booted as asst mod from 2 boards for deleting information that wasn't valid and I didn't like it one bit. But, I think you still need a head mod to resolve these problems with stickies and Iboxes or you're going to have more chaos. The WIKI site gives the opposition the opportunity to present the other side of the story even if it's just a pump.

[Old Hillbilly]

Can we extend this concept to the Oval office?

How many Mods to a board? 3 would prevent a dead lock?

Did sending in a second Mod to troubled boards not work?

[Bucks4Buckeyes]

Is there a projected date when this new policy will go into effect?

TIA

[crowin]

It may be a consideration to not allow I.R.P.'s to moderate stock specific boards

[DOLLARLAND]

It takes a lot of time and effort to put together a good IBOX - I just hope this doesn't allow for someone with bad intentions to join a board and ruin all the hard work put into it.

[DOLLARLAND]

Will membership rates be reduced as a result of this new policy, since you are expecting more user-based administration of the site now?

[Rich]

All positions will be equal and considered a Moderator.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, the only two things an Asst. Mod couldn't do before, was add/remove another moderator. They can edit stickys, the ibox, change the symbol/name, make surveys, manage email lists, etc..

Does this change mean that any moderator can remove another moderator? Or, is Admin the only one, other than the Lead Moderator, that can do this?

[Doxen]

Doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I never plan to be a mod and the bashers would hate me. :-)

[Billybob_TX]

This means if you want to be a moderator on boards going forward, you need to be active in Mod positions currently and you need to ensure that you are not violating the rules on any boards.

So you are effectively locking out any newbies?

No matter since most are paid touts anyway.

[Renee]

Change in Stock Board Moderator Assignments:

It took a few days for the 40 watt lightbulb in my noggin to turn on.

Some of the expressed concerns are from current Mods who have been conscientious in having a task oriented and T.O.U. compliant board, including the mentorship of chosen Assistants to lead by example and to be sentiment agnostic in all applications of the T.O.U.

Although there won't be a head Moderator to be in charge of the boards that had set those higher standards for participation from all contributing members the leadership principles of the existing team of Mods should still prevail when new appointments are made by ADMIN. Those well managed boards will adjust to the changes.

It appears that one of the reasons for the change in Stock Board Moderator Assignments is for the boards that have not been well managed, where positive sentiment of a stock was the primary criteria for becoming a Mod and Assistant Mod, and applying the T.O.U. was a secondary consideration. Members who wanted to join the Mods of those boards were screened by the MOD for their sentiment and not by their T.O.U. credentials, and were often denied positions on the Mod roster.

There will be new opportunities for conscientious Moderators to apply to ADMIN for nomination to the many boards that they previously were prevented from joining as Mods. Newer members who may have wanted to become Mods, but didn't for whatever reasons, will now be able to apply to ADMIN. Their pro or con sentiment on a particular stock will be irrelevant, as it should be, and fairly applying the T.O.U. will be the only consideration.

ADVFN / IHUB personnel have made IHUB a technological masterpiece through changes and improvements....and adjustments by its members. The changes in Stock Board Moderator Assignments will now apply uniformity in T.O.U. moderating for all stock boards.

For those who lead by example, seize the opportunities. For those who have led by agenda and sentiment bias, get with the plan for sentiment agnostic moderating.

OK....I think I'm up to a 100 watt lightbulb now.

[XenaLives]

Motivations to be Mod -

Requiring both "pro" and "con" mods seems to create another problem. There are some people out there that are neutral, too.

Pro mods can be pumpers, but most are really wanting to understand the stock, even though they can be less than objective at times, but they have a valid reason for posting on the board.

Con mods, try as I might. I can only think that they would have one reason to take the mod position, and that would be to oppose the stock. In the case of pennies, retail doesn't really short, so it seems that those in opposition would be mostly pros.

Not a good balance either....

[VIPR]

Whats happens with a board that already has the Mod position and ALL asst Mod positions already filled? Will the new rule cause some of the assistants or the Mod him/herself to be removed to "make room" for "new blood"...... or will the people that currently hold those positions remain in place if they are moderating properly?

and a follow-up question...

For boards that do have ALL current positions filled will the "ADD ME AS MODERATOR" button even appear? or be displayed? TIA

[J.C.N.]

Shelly,

I found your Change in Stock Board Moderator Assignments post very straightforward. Thank you.

On another note the below quotes from your post in bold should be an addition to the TOU and enforced by IHUB across the board.

If this type of behavior in quotes is unacceptable to obtain moderator status on stock specific boards then it is unacceptable IHUB behavior period IMHO.

Users who incite board wars, stalk or intentionally antagonize other Users/entire boards or generally act

(to)

disrupt the community should not anticipate....

being on IHUB for very long.

[IH Admin]

New Moderator System on Stock Specific Boards

Going forward, all Moderator positions will be approved by Admin.

All Moderator positions will have the same abilities and no User can add/remove any other User from a Mod postion.

There are 6 Moderator spots. If there is a position open, there will be a link to "Add Me as Mod". When a User clicks on this, their request will be sent to Admin for review.

Admin will approve Moderator positions based on the person's history of abiding by the rules themselves and/or their activity level in enforcing the rules in previous Moderator positions.

When/Why Messages Are Deleted
FAQ
Moderator's Role
Handbook

As Admin has always done, no consideration will be given to investment sentiment or shareholder status when adding/removing moderators.

As with all changes of this magnitude, we fully expect there to be some technical glitches and some adjustments as we work through this change. Please be patient.

Constructive feedback and suggestions are welcome as always.

[altruism]

LOVE it....

[MuchCompensation]

I appreciate that you guys put a lot of thought into this major change in IHUB policy, but I have to say I do not love it with undiluted pleasure.

Sometimes the moderators have an insight to a specific board behavior which ADMIN doesn't necessarily have the time to appreciate. Deletion statistics don't always tell the full story.

In my view, boards need a leader, and ADMIN reserves the right to remove that leader at will. So what's the harm?

I was willing to give the new procedures a chance, but I am on record as not being a fan.

MC

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Change in Stock Board Moderator Assignments

Soon the Moderator system will be changing on stock-specific boards only. There will no longer be a Moderator with Assistants. All positions will be equal and considered a Moderator. This change will not effect the general trading boards in any way. This is only for boards that discuss a single, specific stock.

In order to apply for a Moderator position, users will click on the link that says “Add Me as a Moderator” which will add them to a queue. Admins will either approve or deny requests based on the User’s history of following the rules of the site as well as actively and fairly enforcing these rules on boards they have moderated.

This means if you want to be a moderator on boards going forward, you need to be active in Mod positions currently and you need to ensure that you are not violating the rules on any boards. This does not mean that you should be searching for the slightest infractions. It simply means that as personal attacks and posts about other Users show up on your boards, you need to take an active role in enforcing the rules by removing them.

Moderators are going to have to work as a team for any iBox changes or sticky notes. Admin will still not be getting involved in these disputes of User generated content except in the case of TOS violations. We will be supportive of teams working together to resolve any challenges.

Requests to be added as moderator on a board where all of the moderator positions are already filled will be held in a deferred queue. If an existing moderator resigns or is removed for violating their Moderator privileges, the site rules or for being inactive in assisting in actively moderating the board, they will be removed and deferred requests will be automatically re-queued.

Users who incite board wars, stalk or intentionally antagonize other Users/entire boards or generally act disrupt the community should not anticipate being granted moderator positions. The purpose of moderators is to promote the civil exchange of on-topic dialog that complies with the Investors Hub Terms of Service.

iHub was always designed to be a self-policing site. As the site has grown, it appears that more and more people have seen the Mod role as simply a figure head. That is not the case.

We are hopeful that under this new structure many who have never had a chance to Moderate will be able to come forward and take a role where they are interested.

The above is our current plan and there could be some modifications as we move forward in implementing this new process. This is simply a heads up so that people have the opportunity to offer constructive suggestions and prepare for the new system.