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DERBENSKI

04/16/09 4:34 AM

#418824 RE: mlsoft #418816

misoft

In the chronological order of events, the comand not to eat the fruit from the tree was given before God created Eve. Thus Eve could not be the recipient of the origional order since she was yet to be.

When Eve communicated with the snake, the order was expanded from beyond just eating but additionally, you could not touch it as well. We still have no proof that this was communicated by God directly to her, or if it was second hand from Adam. This second part could have even been added by Adam himself to drive home the point to stay away from the fruit.

We can make such a case by having a group of friends around a table and whispering a message into an ear and have it passed around the table in the same fashion. By the time the message makes its round, it may not be even close to the original message.

Yet Eve saw that it was good for food, so she must have seen other animals eating the fruit and they were not kicking the bucket. She may have noted this for some time prior to the snake incident.

In the same way, we do not have proof that the fruit could have undergone a chemical change between green fruit and ripe fruit where in the green stage the fruit would be poisionous or the possibility that eating or chewing the seeds could have led to death as well. If such were the case, it could have led to physical death.

My point is that saying "Well, eventually they died" comes off as being a weak answer. You then have to sell your case of spiritual death as being your only solution to the problem.

Derb
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DERBENSKI

04/17/09 10:46 AM

#418986 RE: mlsoft #418816

mlsoft

"What we do know is that Eve knew of God's command, whether it came through God Himself or the only other possibility, through Adam."

You cannot say that Adam was the only other possibility for obtaining secondhand knowledge. God is addressing at least one other, when figuring out what to do with the tree of life.

What if Adam had eaten from the tree of life first? Why that would have totally screwed up the whole program! God must have known that Adam would eat the other tree and not the tree of life first.

One thing we do know from the story of Adam and Eve though, is that God will not die in the presence of sinners. Nor will sinners die in the presence of God.

Derb