Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[DERBENSKI]

misoft

In the chronological order of events, the comand not to eat the fruit from the tree was given before God created Eve. Thus Eve could not be the recipient of the origional order since she was yet to be.

When Eve communicated with the snake, the order was expanded from beyond just eating but additionally, you could not touch it as well. We still have no proof that this was communicated by God directly to her, or if it was second hand from Adam. This second part could have even been added by Adam himself to drive home the point to stay away from the fruit.

We can make such a case by having a group of friends around a table and whispering a message into an ear and have it passed around the table in the same fashion. By the time the message makes its round, it may not be even close to the original message.

Yet Eve saw that it was good for food, so she must have seen other animals eating the fruit and they were not kicking the bucket. She may have noted this for some time prior to the snake incident.

In the same way, we do not have proof that the fruit could have undergone a chemical change between green fruit and ripe fruit where in the green stage the fruit would be poisionous or the possibility that eating or chewing the seeds could have led to death as well. If such were the case, it could have led to physical death.

My point is that saying "Well, eventually they died" comes off as being a weak answer. You then have to sell your case of spiritual death as being your only solution to the problem.

Derb