Replies to post #553339 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[newmedman]

Ah yes, let's get past our differences like Trump threatening death to sitting members of congress for repeating what the Constitution says. Like our "Department Of War" murdering people by the dozens out on the open sea. Like forgiving him for handing Europe to the Russians and Chinese.

Trump got through an interview without hurling an insult so all is right with the world hooray!.

Doesn't matter all the things he said in the days prior, like communist, socialist, jihadist, New York is going to be a ghetto etc. and his journey back into insulting female reporters.

He deserves no credit at all and Democrats have nothing to learn from that senile old monster.

You're as bad as the cult members. LOL

[blackhawks]

OR Trump was smitten by good looks and smooth talk; having neither the former nor the education to pull off the latter.

You are crediting Trump with strategic thinking which he has never manifested. Let's see how long a half-life their 'relationship' has. And no, NO one on the left is fooled by Trump's loving glance at Mamdani.

In one swoop, Trump fkd' up the left elitest "no go" Democrats as well as the far right ones...

[12yearplan]

Got it, yeah - my take as well. Refreshing. Really refreshing with all the other noxious stuff on the main menu.

[Zorax]

You miserable russian fucktwat. Keep Zelenskyy's and Europes names out of your fucking mouth. Even if you live in the states, you should be deported because you're a confused and sanctimonious moron traitor. And that's the nicest I can manage at this moment.

Unfortunately Europe and Zelensky are the last holdouts for peace...but it's coming.

[12yearplan]

Watched the whole 30 minutes as well and your take was a good one except this needs clarification:

Unfortunately Europe and Zelensky are the last holdouts for peace...but it's coming.

Out of interest I held up that comment to the standoff coming between Homan and Mamdani and maybe "In one swoop, Trump fkd' up the left.."
So,........... when Putin entered Ukraine like Ice has been doing it is simply a function and branch of gov't?.

[fuagf]

OMOLIVES, I didn't realize you were fooled so easily by Trump's political canniness. I agree it was great to see, but no way Trump deserves credit for it as much as you shower it upon him. You do know what 'finger to the wind means.' Trump is all about that. And i also agree with you that Mamdani did absolutely the right thing by meeting with Trump, and managing him as brilliantly as he did.

Consider:
[...]When has Dump ever mentioned affordable housing? His entire career has been providing luxury
accommodations - in apartments/condos and in hotels. He doesn't care about affordable housing. At all.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176981436

Work with the guy fine, that's what politics and progress should be all about. But let's not forget what he is.

[fuagf]

OMOLIVES, OMSod,. Trump's TP peace plan is appeasement of the worst nature. How long would it be before
Putin is aggressive against others again. Your really do ignore the fact there can be no lasting peace without justice.

"Unfortunately Europe and Zelensky are the last holdouts for peace...but it's coming."

And Putin? Damn how can you so easily sell Ukraine down the river ..
. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/27/265421504/what-does-sold-down-the-river-really-mean-the-answer-isnt-pretty .

No justice, no peace

Sign at a rally following the 2016 shooting of Philando Castile
Lorie Shaull

Meaning contested but either:

there is no peace because there is no justice
there will be no peace until there is justice
if there is no justice, there is no peace

"No justice, no peace" is a political slogan which originated during protests against acts of ethnic violence against African Americans. Its precise meaning is contested. The slogan was used as early as 1986, following the killing of Michael Griffith by a mob of youths.

History

Graffiti during the 1992 Los Angeles riots after the acquittal of white police officers in the beating of Rodney King

Linguist Ben Zimmer writes that use of the slogan "No justice, no peace" during protests goes back as far as the 1986 killing of Michael Griffith.[1] Griffith, a Trinidadian immigrant, and three friends, all black, were assaulted by a mob of white youths in the Howard Beach, Queens, New York City. Griffith fled the attackers onto a nearby highway, where he was fatally struck by a passing car.[2] In 2014, civil-rights activist Al Sharpton recounted: "In the midst of the protest, someone yelled the slogan, 'No justice, no peace'. Others began doing the same, and from then on I adopted it as a rallying cry each and every time a grave miscarriage of justice has befallen the disenfranchised."[3]

Other sources suggest that the phrase was actually popularized by activist Robert "Sonny" Carson, who is quoted on February 12, 1987 as stating, "'No justice! No peace!' [...] 'No peace for all of you who dare kill our children if they come into your neighborhood...We are going to make one long, hot summer out here...get ready for a new black in this city!,"[4] while the New York Times reported on July 6, 1987: "'No justice, no peace,' said Mr. Carson repeatedly in what he said he hopes will emerge as the rallying cry for his cause."[5] Carson appears to have used the phrase conditionally (see § Conditional or conjunctive, below).[4]

The phrase appears even earlier on a painting by Jean-Michel Basquiat, Created Equal, in 1984.[6][non-primary source needed].

The 1992 Los Angeles riots are remembered for the use of the slogan,[7] which expressed collective frustration with the existing political order.[8]

The slogan is paraphrased in the song Baltimore by Prince.

Conditional or conjunctive

VIDEO - Protestors chanting "No justice, no peace, no more racist
police" in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, after the murder of George Floyd

The meaning of "no justice, no peace" may change between conditional and conjunctive depending on the speaker.[1] In the conditional interpretation, the slogan is rendered as an "if-then" statement, which implies that peaceful action is impossible without justice, and which urges citizens to demonstrate against injustice even if doing so results in violence.[4] Ben Zimmer writes that during the 1980s and '90s, "'No justice, no peace' was unequivocally understood as conditional, not conjunctive",[1] such as in a 1988 statement by lawyer Ron Kuby before the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Criminal Justice:

'No Justice, No Peace' [...] summarizes the frustration and anger of New York's Black and Latino communities. 'No Justice, No Peace' remains the solemn promise of an increasing number of people in an increasingly polarized city.[1]

After the 2014 shooting of Tamir Rice, journalist Glen Ford wrote:

More than just a threat against Power, the slogan brings clarity of purpose to the participants in the movement. If the existing structures of governance and social organization cannot possibly provide justice for Black people, then those structures must be pushed aside – or there will be no civil peace.[9]

By contrast, in the conjunctive interpretation, one is stating that neither peace or justice can exist without the other.[4] After the acquittal in the Trayvon Martin murder case, the chaplain of the University of Pennsylvania said, "A lack of justice has resulted in a lack of peace", "Heavy hearts now lack peace because of the lack of justice in our nation", and "No peace because of no justice."[10] Sharpton writes, "'No justice, no peace' [...] is a way to expose inequality that would otherwise be ignored."[3]

Similar phrases

1859 autograph note by Frederick Douglass: "There can be no virtue without freedom, and no peace without justice"

Yuvraj Joshi traces a longer history of "peace-justice claims" made by activists including Martin Luther King Jr., Bayard Rustin and A. Philip Randolph.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_justice,_no_peace