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OMOLIVES, OMSod,. Trump's TP peace plan is appeasement of the worst nature. How long would it be before
Putin is aggressive against others again. Your really do ignore the fact there can be no lasting peace without justice.

"Unfortunately Europe and Zelensky are the last holdouts for peace...but it's coming."

And Putin? Damn how can you so easily sell Ukraine down the river ..
. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/27/265421504/what-does-sold-down-the-river-really-mean-the-answer-isnt-pretty .

No justice, no peace

Sign at a rally following the 2016 shooting of Philando Castile
Lorie Shaull

Meaning contested but either:

there is no peace because there is no justice
there will be no peace until there is justice
if there is no justice, there is no peace

"No justice, no peace" is a political slogan which originated during protests against acts of ethnic violence against African Americans. Its precise meaning is contested. The slogan was used as early as 1986, following the killing of Michael Griffith by a mob of youths.

History

Graffiti during the 1992 Los Angeles riots after the acquittal of white police officers in the beating of Rodney King

Linguist Ben Zimmer writes that use of the slogan "No justice, no peace" during protests goes back as far as the 1986 killing of Michael Griffith.[1] Griffith, a Trinidadian immigrant, and three friends, all black, were assaulted by a mob of white youths in the Howard Beach, Queens, New York City. Griffith fled the attackers onto a nearby highway, where he was fatally struck by a passing car.[2] In 2014, civil-rights activist Al Sharpton recounted: "In the midst of the protest, someone yelled the slogan, 'No justice, no peace'. Others began doing the same, and from then on I adopted it as a rallying cry each and every time a grave miscarriage of justice has befallen the disenfranchised."[3]

Other sources suggest that the phrase was actually popularized by activist Robert "Sonny" Carson, who is quoted on February 12, 1987 as stating, "'No justice! No peace!' [...] 'No peace for all of you who dare kill our children if they come into your neighborhood...We are going to make one long, hot summer out here...get ready for a new black in this city!,"[4] while the New York Times reported on July 6, 1987: "'No justice, no peace,' said Mr. Carson repeatedly in what he said he hopes will emerge as the rallying cry for his cause."[5] Carson appears to have used the phrase conditionally (see § Conditional or conjunctive, below).[4]

The phrase appears even earlier on a painting by Jean-Michel Basquiat, Created Equal, in 1984.[6][non-primary source needed].

The 1992 Los Angeles riots are remembered for the use of the slogan,[7] which expressed collective frustration with the existing political order.[8]

The slogan is paraphrased in the song Baltimore by Prince.

Conditional or conjunctive

VIDEO - Protestors chanting "No justice, no peace, no more racist
police" in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, after the murder of George Floyd

The meaning of "no justice, no peace" may change between conditional and conjunctive depending on the speaker.[1] In the conditional interpretation, the slogan is rendered as an "if-then" statement, which implies that peaceful action is impossible without justice, and which urges citizens to demonstrate against injustice even if doing so results in violence.[4] Ben Zimmer writes that during the 1980s and '90s, "'No justice, no peace' was unequivocally understood as conditional, not conjunctive",[1] such as in a 1988 statement by lawyer Ron Kuby before the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Criminal Justice:

'No Justice, No Peace' [...] summarizes the frustration and anger of New York's Black and Latino communities. 'No Justice, No Peace' remains the solemn promise of an increasing number of people in an increasingly polarized city.[1]

After the 2014 shooting of Tamir Rice, journalist Glen Ford wrote:

More than just a threat against Power, the slogan brings clarity of purpose to the participants in the movement. If the existing structures of governance and social organization cannot possibly provide justice for Black people, then those structures must be pushed aside – or there will be no civil peace.[9]

By contrast, in the conjunctive interpretation, one is stating that neither peace or justice can exist without the other.[4] After the acquittal in the Trayvon Martin murder case, the chaplain of the University of Pennsylvania said, "A lack of justice has resulted in a lack of peace", "Heavy hearts now lack peace because of the lack of justice in our nation", and "No peace because of no justice."[10] Sharpton writes, "'No justice, no peace' [...] is a way to expose inequality that would otherwise be ignored."[3]

Similar phrases

1859 autograph note by Frederick Douglass: "There can be no virtue without freedom, and no peace without justice"

Yuvraj Joshi traces a longer history of "peace-justice claims" made by activists including Martin Luther King Jr., Bayard Rustin and A. Philip Randolph.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_justice,_no_peace