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I sent note also...sent him $20 with the mailman an hour ago...
thanks olddog.......not going to give us much indication early on then...
ams13sag.....do you know if they are allowed to sell these anytime soon? If so and they don't, maybe they see the big appreciation coming shortly...If they can sell and do, I would guess that would be a signal to all of us?
IMO...this is turning into an absolute mess. 99% of the posts today have been utterly worthless. I recommended this board to my financial advisor and his broker 6 weeks ago as a place to learn about our "jewel, that is still in the box". I got a call from the broker about 10 minutes ago saying that he was sorting through some 250 posts thinking something major had occurred. "Just nonsense" I told him. I wish I had a suggestion Jim but this thing is out of control right now and I feel bad for the people that tune in here for good information. I personally don't agree with Corp Buyer nor do I agree with listing who opposes his views and actions. I think it will just add fuel to the fire and seems a bit childish.....good luck, I think I will bug out of here and hope common sense returns Monday...JMO
dd...good point OR maybe they have just gotten as used to all the delays and developed the pessimistic attitude that somehow or another it wouldn't be done in that timeframe. I for one have said for two months that this would happen, it always does to IDCC. I am confident in the eventual outcome but timing...never been our strongsuit. Most will say, and I would agree, its not IDCC's fault, but it always happens to us. NOt a "woe is me" post...seems more factual than opinion. Sometimes I think we are the only shareholders in the world that have been castrated yet somehow STILL get kicked in the nads...Our time will come, I FIRMLY BELIEVE IT
thanks art...not worried about that AT ALL....a year from now with the revenue stream that is out there for us it will be inconsequencil...never could spell that word...way to far off to have an effect we will be a vastly different company by then...they've got nothing....that is IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS RIGHT
Learning2Vest...I didn't vote like a "dumbass" as you say but I haven't been able to figure out what this "sell them out for pennies on the dollar" means? For all of us not so sharps here, what does this pertain to? I've had 6 e-mails in the last 10 minutes from folks who have asked me what you are tlaking about so I must not be alone in wondering or missing the message. thanks
nicmar...if I can jump in here...there was a lot of talk between 11:00 - 1:00 here on the board that anything that was going to be talked about in the ASM would have to be made public prior so that ASM attendees didn't have essentially "insider information" They knew they would have to talk about it to an extent in the meeting thus the 8K had to be put out. Put everybody on the same playing field. Had they not released the 8K, and the folks in the meeting find out "no info yet", they could get on the phone, dump shares before the general public knew... IMO It will be intersting to get a "feel" from some of the attendees at the ASM....
armwonderful.....I think it comes down to interpretation and OUR need to put an exact timeframe on it. I think they had to render a decision by May 31, 2005. Doesn't mean they had to have it in IDCC or NOK's hands by that day. For all we know its on the proverbial "slow boat" getting here. God forbid they pay $200 to overnite it...Don't get hungup on the exact timing, if they didn't get it yet most likely they will in the next couple of days. In the end what difference does it make to the longterm and big picture at IDCC...the result OR THE SETTLEMENT whichever you believe in won't change because of a couple of days or even a couple of weeks for that matter...JMO
It was always a possbility this would happen...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=6532643
jhaw...why wouldn't you believe it and would they dare lie? NO! they issued it at the last moment hoping they would have heard something...IMO
and there you have it no news yet from the tribunal......glad I didn't spend $500 on a plane ticket to pHilly...I bet they sort of feel like they got caught with their pants down as the timing of the ASM I would have thought was built around this event...not surprised obviously as I have been saying for some time, one way or another there would be a delay from that 5-31-05 date. going to be some unhappy campers in that meeting..share price will take a short term hit in my opinion
At the risk of having somebody send me some Viagra..I still can't get it up...everbody else back in?
WEBSITE BACK UP---NO NEWS
I hope bigfoot is in disquise some of those fellers from atomic Bobs might find him and beat his arse over that proposal..... just kidding of course...trying to lighten the stressful mood around here
Dave..I forgot how the wording was on the proxy...would that be, voted against keeping or voted against ousting him? because thats a lot of shares thanks
right there with you dozer.....looked official, times were goofy...so is a lot of what is going on right now!!!! I'm too stressed right now...might go get a haircut just to get away...oh wait I already pulled all my hair out...
are you playing games? we are still trading...so those are times ahead? pre-planned halt to trading?
Sonic22...MO....both IDCC and NOK have had a VERY good idea for the last couple of months where the award was headed. The scorched earth policy that NOK undertook said we have to find a way out of this. Discussions were probably taking place and things stalled, shortly after stalling out you saw the departures at the top with IDCC mgmt. I would guess within hours Merritt was on the phone rekindling talks. There could very likely have been a framework for 2G and 3G deal put in place within the last two weeks with the understanding that the total package could/would be adjusted dependent on the ACTUAL award amount that the ICC came up with. The award was dispatched at the end of business on 5/31/05 and sent via DHL to both parties attornies. 6/1 both companies attornies received the notification and discussed with their clients the actual result. Now it will take a few days to a week to finalize the deal from the framework that had been put in place over the last two weeks. Announcement sometime in the next two weeks....All of the above just a WAG...
I continue to stick by my proclaimation of over a month ago....It will drag out beyond the drop dead date...Tuesday I stated my opinion that they may say very little about where NOK arbitration stands during the ASM, especially if they are in negotiations. I also think that NOK may have tried to use the ASM timing as leverage once negotiations began, they know mgmt doesn't want to show up empty handed. I applaud mgmt if they continue to stand steadfast for what they think IDCC is entitled to. I believe more strongly than ever we will find out very little today about where things stand with NOK...hope to heck I am wrong I am ready for a happy day in IDCCland
dagrinch...very glad to see you. I wondered how you had been doing as of late...take care Good luck to all of us tomorrow, I'm done for tonight...
linedrivehitter...I'm with you man...I too have been saying that for sometime to the resounding "there will be no delay" chorus. I think tomorrow at this time we will have been told that things "are progressing" but that nothing can be announced at this time. Hope I'm wrong but I will stick with what I said 6 weeks ago, it will drag out longer than May 31st. Attendees at the ASM will not be happy, if they don't get anymore than a small explantion, as stated above...one other word of warningdon't put all our hope in the word BINDING arbitration..that is why I hope a DEAL is reached, FWIW I think a deal is being worked on it just may take more time...how much...maybe hours..maybe weeks...hows that for covering Long story short if Nokia had a flat out win they wouldn't negotiate...they would be crowing since yesterday..we are in good shape it just is going to take more of that good old "patience"
RTQ???? All of the sudden my Ameritrade streamer shows last trade at 18.86? Had been showing 18.50...anyone? Seems quite odd...
AMEN!!! Part of my meaning of "will there be a revolt"....how will they handle it to keep things in check and offer positive assurance..
Jimlur...I hope you are right and that something will be said, better yet I hope there is a full blown discussion on what they are going to do with all the $$$$$$$$$$$. I guess my point that I should have stressed in the beginning was that don't see it as a negative if we don't have a press release, substantial discussion, and final word on the NOK situation TOMORROW....I think most are expecting an all encompassing result at the ASM...I wouldn't be surprised if not much CAN be said yet..
my point, mr miller, is that it IS POSSIBLE nothing will be disclosed by the end of the ASM...maybe not likely, but possible..I think people should be prepared for that possibility..the leverage comment was the only thing I referring to stretching on...
Thought....What if there is no announcement this week regarding Nokia? What if the ASM is started with "at this point we are not able to disclose any information on the Nokia arbitration proceedings,results, or possible negotiations. All questions regarding such will not be answered." Would there be a revolt? I am sure IDCC, along with us shareholders, certainly thought it would be put to bed by then but what if it isn't? I am just throwing out a hypothetical for all to consider. Realize it is NOT the end of the world if this happens. I hope it won't happen but I think it could. NOK may even be using it as leverage to get a deal done to their satisfaction knowing IDCC doesn't want to walk into another ASM, in particular this one, without answers....OK I might be stretching but just a thought....my pessimism might fade when this is put to bed, too many years of dissappointment
To all....although I highly doubt we get definitive news today, if we do, please try to keep your head about you when it comes to the the stock. I hope everyone has a gameplan in place for either end of the spectrum that may happen. When the emotions are running high is not a good time to be making those decisions. Good luck to all......
nic..see your point I think we will agree to disagree on this one...I don't want MORE legal battles, believe me NOKIA will fight to pay 2G 2.5 3G.....I think you have good leverage if you have them on their back over 2--300 mill to get something done on 3G. I think that was the huge mistake that was made with ERICY..tiny settlement no 3G deal...this time we might have a big $$$ award to use as negotiation tool to set ourselves up for the next "X" years with 3G royalties...plus if NOK has had it shoved down their throat I just ahve that pessimistic feeling they find the loophole to appeal...somehow...
Songian, my personal opinion and maybe shared by others here is that a good settlement with a fair 3G deal is the best outcome possible. I think it would be much better than NOK getting the arbitration results shoved down their throat and then fighting and battling IDCC in court for years to come on 3G infringement...JMO I'd rather get 50% of what we are really owed and an airtight 3G deal that IDCC is happy with and can use as a framework for others...
BTW pochs...I agree with you I just don't think ams13 is a very happy person...either that or the glass is definitely half empty
I think what we have seen here is very indicative of the way things can get slanted or reported for ones own benefit. It doesn't take a genius or even a technically minded person to see that within a matter of minutes there are often contradictory reports on the same subject. I think people tend to believe if they read it from a reliable source that it is true. Oh contrare...Me, well I quit guessing who's right. I am a simpleton.....as in, more people will use cell phones tomorrow than today, many more areas of the world will have access to cell service 5 years from now, functions of cell phones will become more complex driving up their selling price, and in the end some companies will be paid for their IPR...and I have made my bet on two of them, QCOM and IDCC....although much more weighted to IDCC because of my belief they have more room for growth. I think the stock price could double from $18 more easily and quickly than QCOM could double from $38... Long story short...take all these reports with a grain of salt because the minute you are bummed that the sky is falling on the cell phone industry there will be another article that tells you there is 20% growth each year over the next 1000 years.....and vice versa....its a world of conflicting reports...
sorry for the terrible grammar and punctuation, shouldn't type posts driving down the road!!!!!!!!!!
Alley I got all mine from my 3 accounts early/mid last week.....
I do question why there is such a problem with this, this year I can't recall the this in the past. Howard probably forgot to take them to the post office..lol I think it is a serious issue though, you should not have to hunt them down...
not halted at all....according to my Ameritrade ticker
jjff....It certainly doesn't equate to the volume we are seeing but here is an example. I have a gentleman that I know through business that bought about 13,000 trading shares on the Howard/Rip downward bump close to $14.20. He told me he had sells spread out from 17.50 to 18.05 to liquidate those 13,000 shares. He plays strict percentage gains/losses and moves on. He has done so well trading IDCC over the last 6 years its hard for me to tell him he should be holding. I'm very content holding all I have....
DR...you have Yahoo mail...EOM
Hrbrt...sounds like my daily ritual the last month....btw I think your $$$$ amount is closer to my thoughts although I would be ecstatic if we opened our cereal box and found a $500 mill settlement inside...I STILL have that bad feeling we won't know anything by the 31st....It might be my pessimism or years of things not going quite the way they should for IDCC...heres hoping the change in mgmt changes our "luck"!!!
Hardball....mine have been trickling in yesterday and today (Trowe Price and Ameritrade)...should have one more and I expect I'l get it tomorrow....they better count fast....
dmiller...you might clarify and say Arbitration RULING has nothing to do with 3G....arbitration TALKS most certainly include 3G....IMO
quick reply quartz....
1. First quarter loss was less than expected (-.05 vs -.02) so good stuff in my book
2. Howard and Rip left because....no one knows for sure although the company line was that they did a good job of getting IDCC to where they were but that they wanted more and apparently thought Bill Merritt could get there. Speculation by many is that BM can get a deal done with NOKIA and works better with people. One analyst even said on the c.c. that Howard was a big pain in the arse to deal with...
3. Arbitration announcement still in line for 5-31-05 although a decision could be announced at any time.
4. As far as the board Corp Buyer is Michael Cohen and is leading a charge to change BOD election process/timing. It will be on your proxy.
5. Lots of bickering going on these days....hope to be happy by the end of the month and a positive outcome of NOK arb....
enough!!!!!!!!!!!!