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"I'll take any whoppers I can get"
better figure on visiting burger king then
a bigger patent?..
i maintain "the results seem to indicate that kblb couldnt go commercial without patents in place"
nothing you said refutes this...you dance around saying that nothing stopped kblb from TALKING about commercialization with anyone...well great but i wasnt refering to TALK of commercialization...
and i said nothing about the patents themselves, the time frames, delays or anythinng else..
you have no clue what the delay was nor if anything you are saying is even close to being accurate..
funny...i keep hearing the opposite...posters here say all kim has to do is let the auditors do it all and then he just signs off on it...no need for any other employees or anyone else...the one man show is all thats needed..
"Exactly how would someone who admittedly does no DD know anything of what the company did or does?"
clearly, i gave the example of the issued pr's...you do know they have been posted here and spoken of here?...?????
"And How would someone who is not a shareholder know if a shareholder is misled?"
you wanna think about that comment again?..maybe give it some real thought?
zinc...seriously...kblb investors have been mislead numerous times and are still being mislead...
soooo..more patent news...wow..they had a U.S. patent but now they are going for an international patent...pretty exciting stuff...kinda like we got the worms we need and after 6 months, now we made em bigger!...lol
manshoons view is interesting...after all this patent stuff came out, the googling has been furious..and the results seem to indicate that kblb couldnt go commercial without patents in place?...
im shocked..lol
if you had one share of kblb last dec, it was worth .09...this dec it is worth about the same...you dont buy and sell the market cap, you buy and sell the shares...if the o/s increased by a billion and the market cap increased dramatically but the pps was .09 that means the pps has not changed...despite great news...despite supposed great leaps in the science...despite supposed great progress, the pps doesnt hold its gains...that is not strength...and that is not good..
"Really depends on if you are an optimist or pessimist"
i guess everyone who is into reality just has to check that at the door when they buy kblb?...
"As a person who wants the stock to have wild swings in PPS so you can trade... the price is horribly stagnant"
the price is stagnant regardless of what you or anyone wants..
"To a share holder who is not interested in blind luck trading and wants to know what they are putting money in... the PPS would be called stable" ...
well i have no interest in blind luck trading either (whatever that is) and the pps is still called stagnant..
"To a gambler like me it is a safe bet"
a bit of a oxymoron there dont you think?..gamblers tend to look for gambles...and there are no safe bets in the pinks...kblb is a safe bet yet it attracts gamblers?..whatever
"One thing that the "Stagnant" PPS does is show a stocks strength. A chart reader would call it consolidation"
dont mistake consolidation with strength...you want to talk charts?..look at the end of last dec to mid feb....theres consolidation there around .10...but what happens next?..correct.. a drop to .06...consolidation/strength?...nope..
now look at mid aug to mid nov...consolidation around .10 again....but happens after that?..consistently below .10 with a couple drops to low .08...consolidation/strength?...nope..
the stock has had some nice pops in the last year..thats what made it a decent trading stock...but it is ending the year where it started (or perhaps lower than where it started)...this is not strength...this is stagnation...when a stock comes out with news during the year that was supposedly great, it is expected that the pps should increase and retain some of that increase...when news comes out that many were desperately hoping for and caused many to claim that the ship was now leaving the dock and ends up being a complete dud, that is not strength..
supposed great news doesnt move the stock much and it holds none of its gains...heck in the case of the recent great pr, kblb cant seem to even hold the pps that it had before the news came out...stength??...
"Our trades and volume are as stable as or price. That actually is a great thing if you are not wanting to make the PPS move up and down"
you are thinking about this stability issue way too hard....to put it simply, most investors would like the pps to rise...preferably higher than where they bought...that is the objective...
"A "normal" pink would have bled to death well over a year ago LOL"
i dont know what makes you think that but ok..actually i dont really know what you are talking about...you were talking about volume and pps then mention bleeding to death?...
"You can bitch that the stock isn't working for you and find another that does in a matter of seconds. (my watch list is full of them)"
odd that this language isnt a tos...i cant imagine why not..and if it is, i cant imagine why out of 6 mods, no one seemed willing to do anything...oh well..
yes of course there are other stocks that can be traded quite profitably..and no, it takes a little more than seconds to find one...but what was your point?..
"You cant just find a replacement for KBLB if you are an investor"
oh i dont know...im pretty sure i can find a ton of pink sheets that have gone no where in the past year..
"As you have said many times. 99% of pinks fail. Looks like we are in the 1% here"
maybe you will be eventually...but that remains to be seen...kblb has proven nothing so far...
the excitement about the cc came and left...it seemed to have lasted about 5 minutes for most here...evidently the real excitement was due to the stagnant pps itself...apparently, in case you are not aware, a stagnant share price is a wonderful thing!..some seem to think its a sign of strength and is a wonderful thing.....second only to a falling pps...a falling pps is thougt of as a gift......yowza..
uh no redskin, thats not gonna happen...just forget about it...perhaps its better to see if kblb can make a strong thread before everyone starts dreaming of curing cancer..lol
sounding more and more like a typical pink sheet dream everyday..
i believe manshoon was talking specifically about kim thompson not every ceo on the face of the earth....
"The idea that a CEO is the only determinant of the SP is not even remotely plausible, IMHO"
in this case, specifically kblb, it is not only highly plausable, it is in fact, highly accurate imo...
and im not talking in the extreme....just as making a statement about kim does not mean its all the same for every ceo on the face of the earth, saying kim is responsible for the pps does not mean that he is the "only determinant" factor....but yes as a one man show in charge of it all, the buck stops there since there is no where else for it to go...
every where you use the term early stage biotech, you can just replace it with pink sheet stock...and yea they do tend to go high and retreat...but how high they go depends on many factors...and when they retrace, they will retrace to some support level...or one can figure out where the fibonacci retracement will likely occur...or some other method...
"It is, therefore, inadvisable to buy too soon after the news while the price is still increasing"
i wasnt advising to buy after news...i was saying i buy when i see that a pop is likely to occur...but yea, i do on occasion buy after news if the move is powerful and volume is great...but then i dont hold it long either...
as for the next paragraph, yes, sometimes stocks go up and sometimes they go down...sometimes you are going to want to hold and sometimes you wont..lol
yes yes...bless those bagholders who i sell to when i dump..
"Buying during a price run up after news (or just before eagerly anticipated news) is always highly risky"
buying any pink sheet at any point is highly risky...
"The best time to buy is when a good bottom has been established"
sure...as long as it doesnt decide to make a second "good bottom"..or a third..
"You make the most money by buying when the fewest other people want to buy"
and thats also when you can lose the most money...sometimes theres a very good reason no one wants to buy that stock..
"The reason, IMHO, that we didn't see an increase after the platform worm announcement"
the reason is that the pr stank to high heaven..it was unclear and could have meant different things to different people...most reasonable investors look at a pr like that from a pink sheet as a huge red flag...they know very well that if kim wanted to say something clearly he could have easily done so...the big brain excuse is hogwash and anyone with any knowledge of the stock market would just laugh at that excuse...
Shareholder of record is not what you think it is..the shareholder of record is not necessarily the individual who purchased the stock...thus you cannot know how many investors actually own shares whether long or short term...
It's another statistic that is usually completely inaccurate...kinda like shares shorted..that can be fairly accurate or completely distorted to the upside or downside...there are many such statistics that people use and assume are accurate...and in the end none of those stats matter one bit anyway...not to longs and not to traders...
There are literally thousands of stats out there...you can try to know a little bit about all of them or a lot about a dozen of them that really matter...
I may buy and sell 3 or more times during a run..or just once if the run is not that strong...on the other hand I may go months without a trade in kblb if it just sits stagnant...i think that's clear enough about my trading patterns..and I have no desire to be any more detailed..
"Even Mojo who claims to trade on very small pops and dips says that he trades only about once in each week on the average (please correct me if I am wrong mojo)"
incorrect...never said any such thing...i will trade when i see a clear sign that theres going to be a decent move which should bring decent volume....
and i dont care about the dips...i dont buy the dips with penny stocks...that would require holding for longer than i want or selling for small profit which i am not interested in..
i care about upward movement..i dont care if kblb falls to .09 or .08 or .07...i wont buy it for that reason.....but if i see that its ready to move i will buy it...and i dont care if that is at .10, .11 .15 or wherever...
its nice to brag about owning shares at .01 or having bought more at .07 when it pops to wherever....but its all about the money for me...i assure you if i had bought shares at .01 i would have sold them long ago for a nice profit...
i understand the investors who bought and never sold...i think its insane in a penny stock, but i understand it...but those who claim to buy and sell and then claim they still hold .01 shares???...lol
and as for message boards effecting the pps...for all intents and purposes, no..they dont..will some investors be swayed to buy and sell based on whats said on a message board?...in some cases yes....but those are going to be small time investors with small time trades which really wont affect the pps much at all...
it could very well be that one or more of the million or multi million share holders are selling some or all of their stock for whatever reason they have...but i seriously doubt it is due to anything that is said by anyone on this or any message board...
"Could you take the time to list the things that you have been right about?"
nope..but feel free to start counting from now...
"And you see this as a bad thing? You do realize that .09 pps is a 900% increase in the pps"
oh yea and as we now know, almost EVERYONE bought at .001..lol...but for those few who didnt, the past means nothing...its likely to be more effective to stay in the general area of the present...
"Kblb has been able to hold and maintain this gain for over a year"
yes, thats just what an investor wants..to see the pps of a stock that he has invested in stay right where it is for over a year?....generally no...the idea behind investing is to make money..a stagnant pps is not normally viewed as a good thing...but that is how i would think kim would like everyone to look at the situation..and im sure thats how he would explain the price action as a positive...tho i cant imagine why an investor would accect such an explanation..let alone actually believe it..
"Do you know another penny stock that has been able to do this?"
im sure they exist...but what does it matter?...how does that affect kblb, the pps or your investment?...if kblb dropped like a rock, would it be comforting to know that no other stock did?...or that they all did?....of course not...other stocks dont matter..thats why kblb should be the issue here...the only issue..
"This stock will continue to stay in this channel until revenues are realized"
im sure everyone hopes that will be the case...but its certainly by no means guaranteed...
"and once realized the market will find a new value"
yes, if revenues are realized, the pps will go up...THAT is guaranteed..
"I am currently still holding a 67% gain. So, no complaints here"
thats it???
"Because you refuse to look into the science one bit"
correct...unfortunately although everyone here looks into the science, no one really understands it...the board expert seems to understand some of it but not enough to really figure out whats going on, when or how...
"You lose all credibility when you don't actually do any DD on the science of a company based solely on science"
well i dont know why...ive been more right about everything to do with this company than anyone who thinks they know the science..
"You will always see a carrot salad because you view the company from afar..
well that gives me a pretty good view and all i see is carrots because thats all there is...if there was something else the pps wouldnt be stuck at 9 cents a share for such a long time...a dozen times news has come and gone...pr's and cc's have come and gone...all were touted as fantastic news and breakthroughs...out came the cavier dreams each and everytime..and yet, 9 cents a share..
and i can be more objective and get a better sense of the company with that view..the old missing the forest for the trees thing..im not clouded by what i want to see or want to happen...i trade..if what happens, happens to move the pps, all well and good..if it doesnt, it's no big deal to me...
"At a distance they may look like carrots, but up close they're spiderworms"
nope, sorry..so far nothing but carrots...and i dont think "spiderworms" is an accurate term..
Oh my...carrots galore being handed out by kblb..they are going to talk about commercialization, strategies, updates etc...isn't that all the same stuff from the last pre pre pr announcement of a tentative cc?...oh well..what's another month?...on the other hand the first time I heard someone say that was 12 months ago..and now it's all just another month away..and counting..because you won't get a cc in jan either..maybe in feb..
I'm seeing all the posts hoping for cavier but so far it's just a carrot salad..
Just to be clear...Ben did not say the company wasn't selling shares..he
Basically said he didn't know...he didn't even say there would be a cc let alone soon
i never used the word wholesale...thats because i wasnt talking about selling silk wholesale...
the cost of leasing space, equipment and having employees would far exceed the cost of buying an existing company?...no, i dont think so..
"the production company would continue to produce and sell ordinary spider silk while the monster worm eggs that KBLB already has in its refrigerators are introduced"
if a company is producing and selling worm silk profitably then why would they sell out to a one man operation thats a 9 cent pink sheet stock?...just to get paid in 9 cent stock?..the answer is because they are undoubtedly not profitable...so why would kblb continue to run the business that is not profitable...answer- they wont..wouldnt make sense....
if i have a profitable business, i am not going to stop what i am doing and go into business with the likes of kblb...the only business likely to do that is one that has no other choice...and that would be because they are not profitable..
its nice to think of pie in the sky kind of situations but lets get back to reality...
"If KBLB sold the rights outright or supplied the new worm eggs to a large existing, probably overseas producer they would get less for it, have greater risks of counterfeiting, and not have the facilities available for future development"
as far as the counterfeiting thing, the board expert has wriiten a ton of posts about how that issue is not a concern...i dont know if hes right, but thats his opinion...as for the rest of what kblb gives up, so what...they would have something they could really use right about now...and thats cash..and the fact that what they have produced is useful to someone and has value...how useful and how valuable will depend on the price paid...or maybe thats the bad part?...
you are the first person i have ever heard make the claim that kblb has unlimited a/s....everything else ive ever seen and read says they have 10 bil a/s....so as far as im concerned, kblb has 10 bil a/s...ill not just take your word for it..
"There are unlimited A/S just as almost every other company"
this is a completely and utterly false statement..."as almost every other company"??...
to es.....why would kim giving himself 330 mil shares drop the pps by half?..you need to rethink those numbers and percentages again...they are wrong....and the reality is yes, the pps would drop, but not like they would if those shares were issued to some third party as payment for something...kims new shares would presumably be held and not immediately sold...thus would not enter the float as would be likely with the other scenario..you might want to look up "float"..it is different than o/s....
and the point was that kim can give himself shares if he so choses...doesnt have to be 330 mil shares...he can do it in smaller increments..whereas everyone else has to buy theres...perhaps thats easier for you to understand..
buy a company with stock, make it a subsidiary and do an ipo to generate money?...lol...
how about just selling or licensing the damn monstersilk to someone, get the cash and use it for pss or platforms or proteins or whatever the hell else is the next thing kblb is going to say they are doing today?...
unless they have already gone that route and no one is interested....i mean, kim hasnt been able to get kblb off the ground..so of course he should buy some other company with money he doesnt have...after all, it will just simply automatically be an asset and bring value and raise the book value as well...
lets see...what is the value of a company that gets bought out and no longer generates any money doing what it did before and kblb isnt able to do anything with it either?...
wow what an amazing asset that would be...
sell or license monstersilk...if no one wants it then that should be a really big clue for everyone...
ps....there are 10 billion a/s because that is what kim wanted...yes i know about the split...but those a/s shares did NOT have to go up ten times...they could have stayed right where they were...it would have been very simple to make that happen...no, there are 10 bil a/s because thats the way kim wanted it....why?...i have my suspicions...
pss...i dont "urge" anyone to trade and not hold...the longs may hold for as long as they wish...i dont care...i have said what i do...some have asked and i have addressed their questions...others have argued that my way is wrong and i have spoken my piece about it....but when i first got here, i was vilified for being a trader...since i have shown that trading made a lot more money than holding, suddenly everyone wants to claim that they also have been trading..lol...yea right
"If Kim buys an empty shack it is an asset. It could only be a shack worth $50 but it is a 50 dollar asset"
lol...no..it would be worth nothing..yes it would go in the asset column...but whether kblb pays 50 bucks or 500k dollars, the reality is the shack is worth nothing...but yes it would be put in the asset column..lol...
"Since you seem to be sticking me with my 1 million dollar price tag quote which was obviously used only as a reference number. I would like to have you explain or show me how an asset turns into a bird"
yea uh huh...moving on then....
"If Kim Spent more on a business then it was worth he would not be a CEO. CEOs dont survive very long by paying too much for things"
most ceo's have someone who can fire them...kim doesnt..kim can do whatever he wants and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it..kim wouldnt be ceo very long if he pays too much for a business?..he would not only still be ceo he will still be the chairman of the board and the whole board itself...he would still be the cfo, coo and president for life...lol...
"He is looking to increase his share value"
no, actually i believe he is looking to create a profitable business which would increase the share value...(yes i know you think its the same thing but it isnt)..
"(only his shares, not ours cause we know he doesn't care about us. Our gain is just collateral damage)"
if the pps dropped by half and kim so desired, he could simply issues himself 330 million more shares..just like that...thats why hes not worried about the shares...thats why none of the pinkie ceo's worry about their shares...if he wanted to he could up his salary to a million per year and get a million in back pay...he can do whatever he wants...not saying he will...but he can....so when you hear someone say the ceo is not concerened about the pps, that would be why...and its a valid point given kims position as ceo of kblb, its only employee and having no oversight whatsoever..i cant believe its actually necessary for me to explain the obvious...
"Since that is the case the company he would buy would have an income(which is an asset)"
once again, no it would not have an income...the business would presumably be a worm silk producer...kblb isnt in the business of producing worm silk...they would buy the business and stop all production of worm silk..thus ending any income that the company would have been making..(again, extremely obvious)...it wont be until kblb is able to start producing and selling some form of spider silk that any income will be realized...
"As long as the assets are greater then the liabilities). Kim is doing just fine"
well then you are in for a shock...besides which you are thinking about assets and liabilities all wrong anyway when it comes to kblb and most other pink sheet companies..
"No Mojo. You have things quite confused. Pure spidersilk is only a product. Like any other business the product just sits there. The Business plan is what makes you rich. Following a profitable business plan is the ONLY thing that can make a company rich"
well actually pure spidersilk is not a product..it doesnt even exist...and im confused?..lol....the business plan thing is fairly accurate...unfortunately that has nothing to do with what you said about google...
ok....im not even going to go into the chia pet or disposable diaper references...that is just ridiculous...stick to kblb...they dont make chia pets or disposable diapers...
"Also as a reminder the market says 2% of pinks succeed"
yea..really great odds huh?..
"they have the financing they need to continue forward without the debt of overpaid employees and CEOs"
why would employees have to be overpaid?..why couldnt they just be appropriately paid?..is that so hard to do?..lol
yes of course...the companies that make it obviously had some things going for them...but the most important thing is NOT vision or reputable people or institutions...it is having a product that you can mass produce and sell profitably...in kblb's case, wholesale...meaning of course that someone wants to buy it and they feel that they can in turn sell it profitably to retail customers...
people harp on the credibility of others supposedly backing kblb...so far that has meant about 9 cents a share...and if kblb doesnt produce something to sell, it will be worthless..
yes it just might be your "edge"...or the edge of a cliff..lol
the pr was put out in a purposefully vague and unclear manner...it seems to indicate different things to different people...and that is exactly as intended...
and thats not a good thing
"If Kim buys a million dollar business with shares That is not toxic"
it is most certainly dilutive..and the whole point was the dilution..
"You see the business is called an asset"
yes im sure thats just what it will be called..but that doesnt meant it will be worth it..many things could go wrong (starting with paying too much) that could turn that "asset" into an albatross...
"Since I would assume any business he buys would have an income That would lead to earnings and those earnings are also assets"
well thats a mighty big assumption there...especially if you are going to talk about buying the business for a measly million bucks....just what kind of income producing company do you think you'd end up with for a million dollars??..and no doubt there would be some kind of new equipment needed, refurbishing, employees to be paid, utilities etc etc...it will be some time before there is any money rolling in..
in other words, the idea that a million dollars is going to cover all the costs of buying a business is pure nonsense...i know i know, it was just an example...well why not use an example thats a little closer to reality?..
personally i would never have even gone to the numbers part of the equation..just suffice it to say that there would be a whole heck of a lot of dilution..but you wanted to minimize the dilution issue by throwing out a number like 1 million dollars...no one even knows if we are talking about korea or the usa..
as for the business having an income that would lead to earnings...how do you figure that to be the case?...
i believe you are talking about a buying a business that is involved in worm silk production...but kblb isnt interested in worn silk production...they would be buying the business to turn it into spidersilk production..any income will have to come from whatever kblb does to generate it..and that wont happen for a while..so the idea that buying a company that is producing income would be an asset is simply not true...
now if kblb were to sell shares and buy a mcdonalds franchise, then that would be different...then kblb would be buying an income producing business that could be considered an asset...lol
"In case you have not researched what an asset is they would increase our market cap and therefore it would increase the value of our "diluted" shares in excess of the cost of diluting those shares"
as is usually the case on this board, there has been way too much googling here with little understanding of what they googled really means.....first, the asset would actually have to be an asset..not a pretend asset or maybe an asset or could be an asset...just because you spend money to buy something doesnt mean it will add great value to your company..
but if it is truly an asset, if all other things work out as hoped, then yes, in a perfect world, the rest could be true..but that is asking a heck of a lot...
"That is how google made their INVESTORS rich. That is how Kim will make his investors rich"
uh, no..that is not how google made their investors rich.....and i thought pure spider silk was how kblb was going to make its investors rich?...did kblb take a left turn some where along the way?..
as for the percentages and the constant references to google, i have no idea how that matters to anyone...the issue is what will kblb have to pay in shares and how much will the damage be...no matter how many times you switch the conversation to google, the bottom line is kblb will greatly dilute the shares when it buys a company...and imo the pps will take a hit...google or no google, thats the bottom line..
"The answer is obviously NO it wont hurt the PPS"
lol...unbelievable
"It has been implied in the past that our CEO only cares about his own wallet, and since he is also the majority share holder. I would say Yes, Kim cares about his shareholders"
i would say no, kim really couldnt care less about his shareholders...
"DD can be very valuable
Lacking it can be costly
Please do your own"
not understanding your dd can be very costly as well....everyone puts such an emphasis on dd as if spending a lot of time looking for details all over the net is what is going to make your investment grow....
all anyone needs to do is the basics...do a little fundamental analysis..a little t/a..check the history of the company..compare it to others..read some pr's, 10q's and 10k's...
other than that, learn how the market works..i mean how it really works...if anyone wants to spend a lot of time learning about something, forget kblb and spend your time on the market...invest in kblb, buy all that you can if you want too...just dont waste so much time doing "dd" on it...thats time better spent on the market...
and as a reminder, the market says 98% of pink sheets fail...they fail because they are scams...because they were not properly financed..because they had a dream the just couldnt fulfill...because the ceo didnt know what he was doing...because things just didnt work out for one reason or another...but the fact is they almost all fail.......and every single pink sheet company had investors who said they knew this but believed their company was the exception...and had points to bring up that made them believe so....
Personally I think the post That tries to compare kblb to google is the funniest I've seen in a long time...really??..lol
A ten cent stock compared to a 570 dollar stock?..you gotta be kidding me..a stock with a product vs one with no product..sales vs no sales..a company with a ceo who has a history of "getting er done" as opposed to a ceo who has a history of getting nothing done..etc etc...if google wants wants to dilute 10 million shares, no one would care..they know what they are doing and have made their investors rich...
And no one is talking about past dilution in kblb..it is about the coming dilution..Kim has informed everyone that he intends to buy a company using stock..at ten cents a share, that is going to be a lot of stock..you can pretend he didn't say it and just keep looking backwards at previous dilution but that is not what is being talked about when dilution is discussed...and it is not pertinent either..
Think that kind if dilution will hurt the pps?..given the importance that the CEO gives to his shareholders, think he'll care?...
Yea, let's compare kblb and google..you gotta be kidding me..
You say you are a fool..then you say one thing about being a fool is you can ignore them..lol..
Your numbers make a little more sense with the extra explanations about your trading but then it raises other questions..some things just don't make sense..but that's alright..I'll let it go..it's not that important...
And yes I'm well aware that the analogies had to do with reproduction..but it was still equating worm reproduction with human reproduction..and that is just a completely ridiculous thing to do...like I said, the analogies being used here are getting more and more ridiculous..especially given that there is little need to use them anyway...someone was talking about kblb timelines and then an analogy was used about being late for a a date..lol..really?..is that analogy really necessary?..
It's kind of like talking about your trading history giving brief statement and a couple of numbers to cover a whole years worth of trading..it really would take more details to properly justify the end result claimed..that's why most just generalize and leave out the particular numbers..
What I have said in the past is I buy and then I sell them all.. I hold zero..I have made about 7 times the amount I started with..I could give you the numbers but you wouldn't believe it anyway..and I only trade the runs..I don't trade for a .004 gain..no real money there and not enough volume to make any..and for the record, I never bought into this last run..if it can be called a run ( which it really can't)...didn't think there would be much to it and there wasn't..had the money elsewhere anyway..
Well you said you hold 1/2 your shares and don't flip them and they were bought under .02..you also said you trade $3,500.00 at a time...then you said you just bought and increased your shares by 12%..I don't know how that's was possible using 3500 bucks but ok.. But then again you said you flipped almost all your shares at the sial announcement...yet you still hold 1/2 you shares at under .02? ...And wait, you were trading between .093 and .097?..haha
Good grief..don't worry..I'll let it go if you will..
It appears we are again equating worms with human pregnancy..lol.. Here's a thought..try this..tell your wife that worm reproduction reminds you of when she was giving birth to the kids..see what she says...perhaps then some will finally get some understanding of the ridiculousness of any such comparison..
And yes, everyone on this board was sure Monstersilk sales was the next pr coming out when the big worm pr came out...most seemed a bit stunned..I thought it was hilarious because I was one of the very few who expected nothing of ms at that time...despite all the ramping up talk.. Yes I said ramping up..and no I won't research it..I never do..
Lol..hold on there..you increase your holdings by 1000 to 3000 shares a trade and have managed to accumulate 900 thousand shares in a year?..is that what you are saying?...I'm a little pessimistic about that..and where were you when I came on board saying I traded kblb and everyone attacked me for doing so?..you were doing so fabulously yet you kept it quite a secret for quite a while..why boast now?..
As for some equating silk worms to women having babies, I suspect most ( if not all) mothers would have a very different view and would say so in a very clear and probably unprintable way...
Really, the analogies that people attempt to use to denounce a point of view are getting truly ridiculous..
As for Monstersilk, it was stated that they were ramping up for commercialization...months later the news came out that they managed to make the worms bigger..that was quite a surprise to everyone..I imagine plenty of jaws dropped when they read that instead of who kblb had made a deal with..
But hey, the good news is, this time we are really ramping up and they still need a lot more time before they get out of the ramping stage..Monstersilk was created over a year ago but really you should only start counting from June of this year lol...
According to the board expert, all nd is doing now is routine lab work that can be done anywhere by anyone thanks to the ZF process...so why are we still there?..why are we giving them shares and percentages?..why didnt we create new Monstersilk minus the piggyback method and cut nd out of the picture entirely?...
Speaking of Monstersilk, I keep hearing that it's when you invest in biotech, it's a slow process blah blah... When it comes to Monstersilk, that shouldn't apply..we've had it for a year..it's all about producing it and selling it or licensing it..that's business not biotech..
I keep hearing that if we buy a company or production facility or warehouse that that will mean a lab as well...others say we don't need a lab because we have nd..Beats me..all I know is kblb mentioned a long time ago that they wanted a lab..and everyone insisted that could be done cheaply by simply leasing everything which would get around Kim's statement that he has no intentions of BUYING any equipment..
So why not get a lab and get it done yourself and cut out nd atogether..the credibility hasn't done a thing for kblb and everyone is against using it to benefit kblb..
Nd and kblb are collaborating together to produce a product..any significant progress is good..and by all accounts the platform IS significant..the expert here originally said it was a huge accomplishment, that all the hard work was now done and it was all downhill from here...now it sounds like he is trivializing it simply to make a point...
Nd uses tools and applications from others all day long everyday..think that's going to stop them from taking credit when they produce something?...uh no..so that's really not an issue..think they won't want credit if pss is ever achieved?..just because they used the ZF process?..of course they will..
Is the platform worm a significant achievement or isn't it?...if it is, it certainly deserved something better than an unclear pr that even people familiar with kblb couldn't figure out what was said...
And it makes perfect sense to get the pps as high as possible since it appears that Kim wants to sell shares to buy a company..of course he mentions cash..but where's the cash going to come from?..calm seas?..that means shares also..
If the pps goes up does that meant it must come back down because that's what it usually does..yes, no, maybe..so does that mean kblb shouldnt bother to try?...definate no...
Some seem to think a pc with nd could make kblb look like a desperate penny pumping itself..what the?...are you kidding me?..with nd involved?..with significant achievements to discuss?...
If Kim didn't talk about wanting to buy a business that is currently operating as a going concern, there would be less of an urgency about the pps...But I dont know how long he plans to wait..I don't know how long he can wait..I don't know how long he will wait..
I see nothing wrong with a pc and there is no legitimate reason they couldn't pursue one...unless the claims made in the pr were not as positive as they were interpreted to be..
It's no bother but I can only reply here..you are correct in what you are saying and its very obvious most here have little knowledge of the stock market and how it operates and what forces can and do move it..they look for reasons to support the ceo no matter how far fetched instead of looking at things in an unbiased manner..
You'll noticed the pr came out and everyone lavished praise on the ceo, company and scientists for the HUGE success that will surely lead to monumental results shortly..the ship had sailed etc...the pps was going to a new high, .50 maybe and beyond..
Of course that turned into no one agreeing with anyone else's interpretation of what the pr was actually saying..
And now it is to the point that kblb is appropriately priced at .10 with no hope that clarification or even a joint conference involving the beloved notre dame can help..lol
.12 is heavy resistance but someone posted that kblb would slowly rise and surpass .12 and hold it..even while volume was falling off a cliff...unbelievable
I would be careful about listening to all the babble about the science..most are learning from others here who don't know much about it either..the vast majority are just googling most of their info and really have no understanding of the science at all..although they think they do...and the one expert they all turn too is right about as often as a coin flip..if that
Great.. Now we know the percentages involved when selling tennis balls in a newspaper advertisement..unfortunately that has absolutely nothing to do with what fatcat was talking about..anymore than an undetonated bomb not being able to hurt you or making ice or any other crazy analogies..
actually no..it was complete nonsense...fatcat has it right..
well the boat still hasnt left the dock and there was yet another booooya wasted for about the 14th time..i told you yesterday that the pr that was put out was really incredible bad..there is no consensus on what it is kim said..or meant...and once again i will say that is no accident...a 12 yr old could take the necessary information and put out a clearer pr..why cant kim?..the answer is he can...he doesnt want to..if kblb has in fact achieved some kind of genetic masterpiece why wouldnt kim want to make sure that information was put out in a manner that was easily understood...why would he not want to bask in the glory...only one reason i can think of...he really hasnt gotten to that point yet...even tho the expert on the board assures everyone that that is the case and the usual suspects are patting each other on the backs and congratulating everyone, it appears to me that nothing has been proven...
the same people who were rejoicing at last years pr and then telling everyone it was their own fault they misinterpreted it could quite likley be doing the same thing 6 months from now with this pr..
im guessing there is still more news to come...i dont think kim has come out with his newest carrot yet...if he has, hes losing his touch or just not trying...
blockbuster news and fair amount of volume and kblb goes up .003?...in early october the volume went higher and so did the pps on zero news, lol...
why does nothing ever make sense with this company?..
answer- it actually does make sense...but hey, im not a shareholder..im just the neighborhood basher
kim was throwing around the idea that the new worms were transgenic but fraser didnt...in fact fraser seemed to indicate that transgenic was in the future..so which is it?..
the word platform was also tossed around but there was really no mention of a platform worm...
i still dont know why they are now talking about cleaving and saying that was what zf was supposed to do all along...if that was what zf was supposed to be doing this whole time then why is that word just now being used?..and what about the "knockout of the heavy chain gene"....i thought the worm silk gene was supposed to get removed and then replaced with a spider silk gene...doesnt sound like that is what they are doing...
why is all the verbiage changing?..is it just semantics or has there in fact been a change in the process?...a change in the manner in which they intend to get the silkworm to spin spidersilk?..
mfefree..."Well, they now have different fibers for different markets that need those specific fiber qualities"
as far as i can tell, the worms they have now aint spininng worm silk nor spider silk so i dont know where you get the idea that kblb is capable of creating any fiber let alone multiple different fibers...
as usual, no one really has any idea what kim is saying in the pr...there are different opinions on just about every sentence he wrote..
at any rate its obvious they aint there yet..they think all this new stuff will get them there faster...how fast is fast?...beats me but according to the expert on the board, 5 years in biotech is light speed, lol...fans better hope kim is not talking in biospeak...
well based on the pr that is as clear as mud to anyone who isnt intimately aware of the science involved, i cant see how there will be much of a bump without some clarification...
and im not sure if that clarification is going to come since kblb still has nothing to really trumpet...supposedly they have achieved something terrific but its not spider silk...they have managed to achieve NO silk?..and thats the great news?..im assuming that scientifically thats like really fabulous news but i cant see investors flocking over to fill their pockets with shares over that...
kblb would have to explain things a little more clearly and put themselves on record as clearly stating what they have and what they can do with it and maybe put out some kind of general timeline as to when they hope to achieve something along the lines of a product..something with which to make money..i mean whats the point in putting out a pr that no one understands?..is it just for current shareholders or do you want to attract other investors too?..if not, save your money and just put it on the web page..
of course some daytraders have shown up and there have been newsletters paid to pump the stock so i guess we will have to see what kind of push they can manage to get out of the "news"...
so, exactly what the heck is kim saying in this pr?..and why is he using a whole bunch of new words and phrasing in regards to the whole process?...
"succeeded in creating seven or more strains of transgenically modified silkworms"
ok..i know im not really into the science but i thought kblb already had transgenically modified silkworms...if so, why is this news?..and is it 7 or is it more?..and why dont they know?..
"The zinc finger nuclease were designed to cleave the silkworm’s native heavy chain gene"
really??..i thought the zf process was supposed to zap out the worm silk gene and zap in the spidersilk gene?....now apparently zf is going to "cleave"?..
"therefore knockout of the native heavy chain gene in embryos, from 7 of the first 13 mating pairs, analyzed"
what is the "native heavy chain gene"?..are they saying they took out the worm silk gene?..if so, why dont they just say so?..
oh ok, here we go..“The laboratory reports that seven new strains of transgenics have been confirmed so far.”
thats a little clearer...but what does the new strains mean?..i assume its means they are closer to pss...but how closer?..a lot, a little bit?..what?..
much of the rest of the pr simply says they think they have done great up to now and think they will continue to do wonderfully due to all the great gene manipulation stuff...but im still not clear exactly what the progress is from the last update?..
not knowing a lot about the science, i would just like to know if kblb has succeeded in in removing the worm silk gene and replacing it with a spidersilk gene?...i thought that was the goal and i cant tell from this pr what exactly they "knocked out" and what they put in...nor am i clear on what they actually did accomplish if anything?....and im curious about the "cleaving" thing...it almost sounds like they have changed gears on how they are trying to get to pss?..
as for the ramping up of monstersilk, thats something they have said for the last 4 quarters so no big deal there...
"2 tons @ $60k per ton = $120 000 every 3 months or $500k per year before expenses (Considering striping the silk could be 50% of the wieght this could be as little as half this number"
$60k per ton??..you have got to be kidding me!...is that the estimate for monstersilk??...are you telling me that monstersilk is worth $60k a ton??....THATS IT??
i keep hearing kblb is going to be worth billions?...how?..lol
longandsteady..."I know a lot of people here thought we had product ready to go market in Nov. 2010. It was our own ignorance that brought us to that conclusion"
yes that and the fact that kblb wanted you think that and lead you to believe that...what else are they wanting you to think and leading you to believe?..
saintcalvius..."To me all the pointers we've had including a possible lapse of the trademarks point to a buyout/licensing deal"
with all the info that is known, that is about as much a possibility as failure..a buyout means nd gets screwed out of their 2%..no one is going to pay them when they can easily cut them out..you better pray its not a buyout..
so amsilk recently got $6.8 mil in funding?..nice..seems to be a well run, well funded company with actual employees..and not yet public as it should be...but supposedly they are way behind kblb with little chance to catch up?...
forget everything you think you know about kblb...just compare the 2 companies as if you knew nothing about either one..and forget about the science of either one...no one knows anything for sure about the science of either one..niether one has a finished product as yet...and that is the only true validation of whether or not the science works..(yes i know monstersilk..im sure fraser is quite happy about that but it has meant nothing to shareholders so far)..
look at the management...look at employees...look at the funding...look at the website..look at the pr's...look at whatever else you want..
how do they compare?..
well since i just trade i guess i dont get a vote...but i will say i still feel exactly the same way about this company as i always have...very skeptical...
i see lots of possibilities, some potential, lots of claims about having this and that, but nothing solid at all...i know thats contrary to what most here beileve...there is belief that monster silk exists..im not convinced...and even if it does, many seem to think that being able to mass produce it and market it profitabily is a given....i dont know why but i keep hearing that kblb can do it all and cheaper...where does that idea even come from?..
there are assumptions being made at ever single point in the whole spider silk processs and frankly that is ismply preposterous...
take the whole mulberry food thing...why would anyone simply assume that the silk worms can be mutated to produce spider silk and do it with the same food?..you would like to think food wouldnt be an issue...but it certainly could..and there are hundreds of other issues that can come up like that along the way that could throw a monkey wrench into the whole process...and you may not know where the problem lies...it could take a long time to figure out where the problem is let alone how to fix it..and zincfingers aint the answer to all of those problems...
im sure someone can explain in great scientific detail why food would not be an issue...but if it turned out it was, im sure the same person will explain in great detail how that could be so and how it had been impoosible to foresee...
of course there is monstersilk already right?..that should prove that food or anything else isnt an issue...well it would to a certain extent...if we knew monstersilk could be mass produced profitably with all the traits we hope it has...but that really remains to be seen..no one really knows if monstersilk can be massed produced profitably..or at all...
hey if these guys can mass produce monstersilk profitably and do the same with pss then wonderful..i would happily invest long term...but i have no need to buy at .10 hoping and praying that an arrogant one man operation whose motto is "if im not saying anything then it must mean good news is coming" comes through with all that he claims he can do..
i prefer to look at this as it actually is..its a pink sheet penny stock run by a one man show funded by bottom feeders...they hope to capitalize on research they are funding at notre dame (and by the way that is the relationship they have with notre dame and thats all it is)...the scientists there are trying to get silk worms to spin pss via genetic mutation...they have had some success but kblb, in the year since that success, has thus far failed to capitalize on it...
thats it...thats the situation..some think kblb will "get er done"...i have serious doubts so will make my money trading it until i see some reason to believe kblb will in fact "get er done"...