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I don't need to read anything again.
You were attempting to misdirect between the Battery and the Fuel cell with inaccurate claims of a "Solid State battery" my only assertion is that the NEAH battery shown being put together in the Sidlo video was not a "Solid State" battery since D'Couto, the narrator was explaining that they were using a standard electrolyte.
As for the Tekion patent if they solved all the problems as you assert why did they never put it into production ? Why did Motorola and Tekion abandon it ?
Why was there no uptake from Techtonica ?
Why was there no uptake from Silent Falcon ?
Why was there no uptake from Black-I Robotics ?
Do not attempt to attribute success by TEAM FAST in any way shape and form as having anything to do with NEAH.
JMHO
Bill
NEAH did not figure it out, that is a Tekion patent, which now belongs to NEAH but was not worked on by NEAH.
The Platinum and Palladium catalyst would only be used on a DFAFC, due to the need to keep temperatures low.
I do not think the bus is using a Direct Formic Acid Fuel Cell.
JMHO
Bill
Another thing that never happened.
Tekion was developing Micro-fuel cells but went bust before going commercial.
After they acquired the IP from Tekion. Neah never produced and sold any Direct Formic Acid Fuel Cells.
What happened with Silent Falcon and Techtonica and Black-I Robotics, they were supposed to be the Formic acid Fuel cell customers and none of these teaming agreements went anywhere.
JMHO
Bill
You really need to figure out the difference between a Fuel Cell and a Battery. This patent as listed below is for a fuel cell.
"Field of the Invention The invention relates to materials used in the catalytic production of hydrogen via hydrocarbon reforming."
The hydrogen that is reformed would be the fuel for the fuel cell which would enable the generation of DC electric power.
In the other posts you were claiming a "Solid State" battery. The idea behind a "Solid State" battery is to have a solid electrolyte that will not allow dendrites to form across said electrolyte to short circuit the battery. This is an inherent problem in Lithium Metal Batteries and the reason no one has been able to successfully produce them commercially.
This Hydrogel has nothing whatsoever to do with the battery.
JMHO
Bill
Yeah that 2009 Article mentions a lot of uses for Fuel Cells that were never made commercial.
Due to the very expensive nature of Fuel Cells.
There are no fuel cell companies that make a profit.
Neah couldn't sell any due to this. And they won't in the future.
Both Platinum and Palladium are too expensive so no DFAFC. And PEM membranes are too expensive so no PowerChip Fuel cells.
Telecom sites ? The only company that bought fuel cells for Telecom Sites was Sprint and they did so with Government Grants which were there to help spur uptake. Unfortunately Diesel was too cheap and VZW and AT&T use diesel generators.
NEAH's only chance for survival is the Battery and they are not going to go from not being able to make any to cranking up a Terra Factory. There will be a lot of in between as they get someone else to make their first runs so that they can prove the batteries out then maybe get more money.
The Terra Factory dream is at least 5 years to a decade away and only if they can get traction from their DOE grant.
The stock price says it all.
JMHO
Bill
Well that would be great news if it has started. At the very least it shows D'Couto is moving forward, it may also indicate he obtained funding.
Unsure why the DOE would not update their website, especially if the point of contact at Oak Ridge National Labs is aware that it is active. Oh well, they started late and have 12 months.
Since we do not specifically know what their methodology is, all we can assume is that NEAH prepped different samples with different metalization schemes, thicknesses and or alloys and are compiling the results to arrive at the optimum recipe.
This is all supposition on my part, since we have no information. I do not even know if Argonne will go beyond the characterization of material and actually analyze a fully built battery and run it through its paces.
The time frame is a bit off for when the buying started so not sure if its related to this. The heavy buying started on July 5th, although we do not know when the initial email from Argonne went to NEAH. Their phone call is stated to have happened on July 10th. Pretty close time lines. Maybe someone got some good news.
This is encouraging to say the least.
JMHO
Bill
Your making a great argument for Apple and one of NEAH's competitors.
Jmho
Bill
Wow SHort on you are all over the place.
1: DOE Grant went nowhere. Still at 12 months. Never went active. In March D'Couto claimed to be in the process of sending a sample related to the battery still the status never changed.
As for employees who worked for Motorola ...take a look at how big they were. A ton of people worked for Motorola back in the day means nothing.
The fact that Sakti and others are developing solid state batteries has nothing to do with Neah.
Jmho
Bill
In the past post you stated "Neah Power Solid State Battery Tech" in the post I am responding to, you confirm that NEAH power was using a liquid electrolyte in the Sidlo video.
That was the point I was making...its not "solid state" if you are using a liquid electrolyte.
JMHO
Bill
Thats funny, the "Battery Patent" you are referring to is the Buzzbar not the Powerchip battery.
The patent refers to the methods of charging and not the makeup of the battery. No powerchip winner here.
As Per the "Terra Factory " you are aware that a Chip Foundry produces Semi-conductor wafers which theoretically are a part of the powerchip battery, however those chip foundries do not have the manufacturing capability for the rest of the battery.
For that you have to go to a Battery Manufacturing plant.
The wafers can be sourced from many places, many different fabs.
You are missing a critical piece with your dot connecting...where does this battery get put together ? where does it get tested ?
JMHO
Bill
Interesting that you are jumping on the "solid state" bandwagon.
You specifically commented to the use of a liquid electrolyte from BASF that Neah used in the battery being put together in the video from Sidlo on the Neah/Polaris testing.
What was solid state about that ?
Bill
My Main issue with it is that after all that hype, before , during and into the Grant award, there was no follow through.
Currently the company is heading back up to where it was when D'Couto knocked the market cap down for some unknown reason.
It does not feel like a pump n dump because we do not have the influx of unknown posters in a frenzy here.
At the very least, its keeping everything interesting.
JMHO
Bill
Yes all those good things happen after an impartial committee makes a first cut. Not before.
These guys are really into "fairness"
"Conflict of interest/fairness of opportunity — The DOE and the SBV Pilot Labs will broadly circulate the DOE Notice of Opportunity to the small business community in order to ensure fairness of opportunity."
They would not willingly collude with an applicant to guarantee a certain result in the selection process and violate the fairness of opportunity.
Bill
Once again..
You really don't get it.
What I SAID is that D'Couto was LYING about the National Lab making an agreement to assist him in getting the GRANT.
Because that would constitute a "conflict of interest" for the Lab.
All the things you are saying happen after the DOE makes the first cut with no labs involved.
From the SBV:
"Anticipated Review and Selection Schedule: The SBV team will employ a 3-phase review process.
Phase 1: An external (non-lab) merit review committee will review each RFA and make the first down-selection."
In D'Couto's PR he states that the lab was working with him months before he even applied, much less made the first Cut.
Get your timelines on when the Labs become involved straight.
Bill
You don't understand the SBV process and the entities involved do you ?
Do you understand that the DOE and the Labs are not the same thing ?
The Department of Energy oversees the Labs but the Labs are individual organizations.
The review of the NEAH battery and Fuel Cell for the SBV grant would have happened after the application for the grant, ie after the deadline which was march 2016. The initial reviews Non-NDA would be the DOE not Argonne or individual labs.
There is no review prior to grant application. The DOE does not have a permission to apply phase.
LMAO
Bill
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Maybe Short on is on to something.
PlugVolt Battery Seminar happening.
http://plugvolt.com/seminars/
I did not see NEAH involved but maybe something has been said.
or it could be a well timed pump n dump. With this company either could be possible.
JMHO
Bill
Read the first sentence and the last sentence and I basically said D'Couto lied.
Now if I thought D'Couto told the truth that the lab was assisting him and creating a conflict of interest , I would not have said D'Couto lied.
There is no backtracking. A simple choice, if D'Couto told the truth it would have been a conflict of interest on the part of the lab.
1st time I said it:
"Interestingly enough, I found a PATENT ( pun intended ) untruth in NEAH's hype about the DOE submission and Grant. "
2nd time alluded to it:
"From Argonne:
“It’s a scientific discipline, but how you make it can be an art form,” Bloom said. “Once you figure out how to produce it, it’s very re-produceable.”
He said he’s unfamiliar with Neah’s PowerChip, but looks forward to working on it.
Extensive review/Unfamiliar which is it ?
3rd time:
Hmmm NEAH claims support before the submission, DOE says that is a conflict of interest....
fishy fishy D'Couto, no wonder he went dark, every time he opens his mouth...an untruth escapes.
There is no backtracking.
Learn to read.
JMHO
Bill
That statement below:
"The national laboratory, after extensive review of the technology under non-disclosure agreement with the Company, has agreed to pursue DOE funding with the Company. "
Denotes much more involvement than a letter of support.
I would speculate that the Lab never had anything to do with NEAH before the Grant was awarded, heck they didn't, even after the grant was awarded.
Most likely D'Couto was bending the truth so he could hype the grant process and he did. I guess you did not read my post closely because I said at the beginning.
"Interestingly enough, I found a PATENT ( pun intended ) untruth in NEAH's hype about the DOE submission and Grant. "
The untruth being:
"The National Laboratory, after extensive review of the technology under non-disclosure agreement with the Company, has agreed to pursue DOE funding with the Company. "
The comments about a conflict of interest were to show that yes there would be one, and Argonne would not participate in such a violation of the process.
Do I think a National Lab would break the rules for a company like NEAH ? No. Do I think someone like D'Couto would lie to create hype ? Yes.
Talk about a lack of comprehension.
JMHO
Bill
Simply put for those with comprehension blinders by NEAH.
The National Labs that administer the SBV pilots cannot help the applicants obtain the grants, because then that applicant company would have an unfair advantage over the other applicants. Hence creating that "conflict of interest".
D'Couto claimed in a PR that he was being assisted by the National Lab to obtain the DOE funding.
JMHO
Bill
I included what the PR said in my last post.
1. Before the application was ever submitted D'Couto claimed that the National Lab had completed an extensive review of the NEAH battery under an NDA. In that same PR he claims that they are working with NEAH and the DOE to pursue DOE funding with the company , see below from the PR.
"Separately, the Company noted that it was submitting for U.S. Department of Energy funding with an internationally reputed national laboratory in the USA. The national laboratory, after extensive review of the technology under non-disclosure agreement with the Company, has agreed to pursue DOE funding with the Company. The grant submissions are due in mid-February 2016."
This is not me saying it or misconstruing it, this is a NEAH PR.
The rules for the SBV are clear I already posted them once.
The labs DO NOT work with anyone to help them get the grants.
NO comprehension failure, just a management and PR failure as always.
Besides, if the National Lab was so hot to get the NEAH battery going as D'Couto claimed, what happened in the 2nd half of 2016 and the first half of 2017 ?
JMHO
Bill
Interestingly enough, I found a PATENT ( pun intended ) untruth in NEAH's hype about the DOE submission and Grant.
It was in the same article about them Filing a patent ( the mysterious one that does not exist )
"Separately, the Company noted that it was submitting for U.S. Department of Energy funding with an internationally reputed national laboratory in the USA. The national laboratory, after extensive review of the technology under non-disclosure agreement with the Company, has agreed to pursue DOE funding with the Company. The grant submissions are due in mid-February 2016."
From Argonne:
“It’s a scientific discipline, but how you make it can be an art form,” Bloom said. “Once you figure out how to produce it, it’s very re-produceable.”
He said he’s unfamiliar with Neah’s PowerChip, but looks forward to working on it.
Extensive review/Unfamiliar which is it ?
Lets looks at the SBV rules...
Q.3 Can an interested small business work with a lab to develop a Request for Assistance (RFA) submission?
A.3 No. Small businesses cannot work directly with a National Lab to develop their RFA submission. However, small businesses can talk with the Labs about how the labs can meet their needs. Find out more about each technology area and contact a technology area point of contact to explore options for partnering with a lab that will help meet your needs.
Q.4 Can an interested small business request a Letter of Support from a laboratory?
A.4 No. Since labs are engaged in the implementation of the pilot, and will be performing the work downstream, a letter of support could result in the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Q.5 Do I need to put a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) in place when negotiating the scope of work for my voucher?
A.5 Labs prefer to scope to project without any proprietary information, alleviating the need for an NDA. The standard SBV agreements include protection of the information that is supplied to the lab during the scope of work negotiation. After an agreement is executed, labs will consider putting a non-disclosure agreement in place if necessary. Please also note that trade secrets, confidential or proprietary information should not be included in the Request for Assistance or in supporting information (including resumes). The U.S. government is not liable for the disclosure or use of any information contained in the Request for Assistance or in supporting documentation (including resumes).
Hmmm NEAH claims support before the submission, DOE says that is a conflict of interest....
fishy fishy D'Couto, no wonder he went dark, every time he opens his mouth...an untruth escapes.
JMHO
Bill
It is no mystery what these patents are for, its explained in the LinkdIn article you yourself posted.
"Two additional patents US 9,184,463 (Ohlsen et al) and US 9,112,215 (Cross et al) have been awarded to Neah Power Systems, Inc. by USPTO. It’s a proud moment for the company which is a budding leader in the field of fuel cell-based power solutions and rechargeable lithium battery storage solutions for various arenas of defense, commercial, and consumer applications. In general, the granted patents relate to the one and only, non-air, methanol PowerChip® Fuel cell technology that has many customers including the DRDO, Government of India. The granted patents are related to the insitu regeneration of the oxidant employed in the fuel cell which increases the energy density of the system, thus enabling design and working of a smaller, more compact, and lighter fuel cell."
This is a Fuel Cell which is a Power Generator not a battery which is DC power storage. This would apply to the PowerChip Fuel cell or at least the methanol version of it and would not have anything to do with the Formic Acid Fuel cell which Utilizes their "FORMIRA" fuel.
Not close to anything for the Lithium Metal battery yet.
According to NEAH's PR they applied for a patent for the PowerChip battery in early 2016 not granted.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/neah-power-systems-files-patent-for-powerchip-battery-568146901.html
JMHO
Bill
It seems that trading today was completed in the span of less than 2 minutes.
Bill
So did you follow along as you suggested ?
Interesting, they spoke a bit about Q3 and some future plans but not too much and there was nothing about body cameras mentioned at all.
Another NEAH prospective opportunity bites the dust.
Jmho
Bill
The stock price says it all. Almost done getting back to where it started.
I think someone was trying to prime the pump.
A whole lotta nothing here.
Maybe VOXX has something to say...I will bet they don't.
Jmho
Bill
The Co-president of NEAH tweets about anything and everything, it has nothing whatsoever to do with NEAH at all.
He also tweeted about robot milking machines, electric cars, NVIDIA.
Nothing he tweets has anything to do with NEAH at all.
JMHO
Bill
Unfortunately he is not tweeting about the S4W drone, or the S4W BodyCam.
Tomorrow is Voxx 1Q Conference call, well see of they actually say anything about a bodycam or a bodycam commercialization in Q3 2017.
Bill
Honestly because they don't answer and they don't callback.
Maybe the questions asked are too pointed. It does not matter, as success will happen or it won't.
If they really go commercial in 3rd quarter then we will see what battery is used and the questions will be answered.
Good Luck to all.
Bill
Thats True and the CEO does not want to fess up.
I'm done arguing against this thing.
Hopefully they have some concrete happenings.
Bill
"Someone spends 20,000.00 to create an impression of interest"
Okay, use that "Spends 20,000.00" in a sentence, or just have enough comprehension ability to see if I was talking about "Dollars" or "shares"
I spent 20,000.00 dollars.
I spent 20,000.00 shares.
Okay which one sounds better in context ? Which one has decimals in the number ? Do shares get traded in decimal numbers ? as in i bought .25 shares.
That would have been 20,000.00 as in dollars, surely you have a better comprehension level than to believe I was saying shares vs dollars especially when on an earlier post yesterday I was referencing over 40 million shares traded...
BILL
Seriously ?
You asked why that information did not come from the CEO as if it was true and pertinent information.
I responded that most likely because it was conjecture and rumor, not that it was perpetrated by the CEO.
But if you have not figured out by now that there are certain stakeholders who are less than honest than you have not been reading the 8Ks and 10Ks.
JMHO
Bill
Yeah right.
Someone spends 20,000.00 to create an impression of interest and all the pumpers show up with rumors.
You ask why this does not come from the CEO, well that is because it's all conjecture and rumor designed to con the gullible into buying a worthless stock.
DOE characterization - never happened or even got started.
S4W never published performance test with the battery or fuel cell.
All we have from them is a comment on a sell sheet.
NEAH has never verified a continued relationship with S4W ,just look at their updates for 2016/2017.
JMHO
Bill
So where is the anything about a 3rd quarter camera release date ? VOXX and S4W have never formally come out and set a release date. beyond the available in late spring...which came and went with no release.
Neah never acknowledged a continuing relationship with S4W since the teaming PR in 2015.
Is S4W even live ? Don't answer phone or email. No activity or news since original agreements in 2015.
Jmho
Bill
Good volume, however we have been here before where we think something is happening and it's not.
If we see a few days over 75 million maybe then I will believe something is happening.
Even then, unless I see a video of a battery powering something for a customer or someone actually admitting to lending them 5 million or more then in my opinion it's just another pump n dump.
Jmho
Bill
38 million in buys so far according to I-hub.
Somebody wants some of this, actually a lot of this very badly.
No reason for us that we can see though, if its valid it should surface eventually as to why.
JMHO
Bill
Comparing NEAH Power Stock to toilet paper.
At Walmart 20/1000 sheet rolls for $12.98. So 1 roll for .649 and divide that by 1000 we get .000649/sheet , 1 share of NEAH is .0004, so 1 sheet of toilet paper is worth more than a share of NEAH stock.
Thanks D'Couto ! Glad you can run lean !
Ha Ha you think dilution only happening with a reverse split, once again with the less than accurate suggestions.
2.5 Billion O/S...say it again 2.5 billion shares. 5 Billion A/S. The dilution has been happening since the last 1 sh for 200 sh reverse split in 2009. And there is another 2.5 billion slices left to cut that 700,000 dollar pie into.
D'Couto shifted the rest of the A/S to the O/S for a few days, however, maybe something in the SEC rules did not let him get away with it, kind of obvious to clear out the Authorized and then go dark in the same week.
There is no million dollars to build a run of batteries,heck there may not even be a battery as far as we know. The DOE validation of this tech never happened. Thanks again D'Couto !
NEAH made some big moves in May 2017, it killed the small amount of Market Cap they had left, now some want to spin that as a positive.
JMHO
Bill
Well, it appears D'Couto may not be smart enough or focused enough to follow this process through.
Did he designate someone else to file this then ended their jobs and doesn't understand he has a communication problem with the US Trademark lawyers ?
Here is the full set of actions on the PowerChip Battery, he has failed to respond more than once and had this has been abandoned more than once because of it. See the highlights in red, he was almost at a third abandonment.
It only took a few times for these "wunderkinds" to figure out their abandoned office was no longer a valid mailing address, it will probably take a few more before they realize the email contact is no longer valid.
Date Description Proceeding Number
Jun. 13, 2017 TEAS CHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED
May 31, 2017 UNDELIVERABLE MAIL - CORRESP. REMAILED 48420
May 17, 2017 UNDELIVERABLE MAIL - COURTESY COPY MAILED 99888
May 15, 2017 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
May 15, 2017 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
May 15, 2017 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN 83172
Apr. 21, 2017 NOTICE OF REVIVAL - E-MAILED
Apr. 21, 2017 PETITION TO REVIVE-GRANTED 88889
Apr. 21, 2017 TEAS PETITION TO REVIVE RECEIVED
Feb. 21, 2017 ABANDONMENT NOTICE MAILED - FAILURE TO RESPOND
Feb. 21, 2017 ABANDONMENT - FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE
Jul. 02, 2016 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
Jul. 02, 2016 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
Jul. 02, 2016 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN 83172
Jun. 15, 2016 NOTICE OF REVIVAL - E-MAILED
Jun. 14, 2016 PETITION TO REVIVE-GRANTED 88889
Jun. 14, 2016 TEAS PETITION TO REVIVE RECEIVED
May 02, 2016 ABANDONMENT NOTICE MAILED - FAILURE TO RESPOND
Apr. 30, 2016 ABANDONMENT - FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE
Sep. 11, 2015 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
Sep. 11, 2015 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
Sep. 11, 2015 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN 83172
Sep. 09, 2015 ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER 83172
Jun. 05, 2015 NOTICE OF PSEUDO MARK E-MAILED
Jun. 04, 2015 NEW APPLICATION OFFICE SUPPLIED DATA ENTERED IN TRAM
Man, these guys take the cake...I guess updating an address could be construed as progress by the most optimistic.
JMHO
Bill
The correspondent email for the PowerChip Battery trademark app is different, the fuel cell is D'Couto and May.
The PowerChip Battery is someone with the last name Breum @neahpower.com
Wonder whats up with that ?
Bill
If I was NEAH Power Systems I would not be claiming victory.
Here is the chain of events bottom to top.
Jun. 13, 2017 TEAS CHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED
May 31, 2017 UNDELIVERABLE MAIL - CORRESP. REMAILED 48420
May 17, 2017 UNDELIVERABLE MAIL - COURTESY COPY MAILED 99888
May 15, 2017 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
May 15, 2017 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED 6325
May 15, 2017 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN 83172
Apr. 21, 2017 NOTICE OF REVIVAL - E-MAILED
Apr. 21, 2017 PETITION TO REVIVE-GRANTED 88889
Apr. 21, 2017 TEAS PETITION TO REVIVE RECEIVED
Feb. 21, 2017 ABANDONMENT NOTICE MAILED - FAILURE TO RESPOND
So Somehow the IDIOTS manages to dork up their mailing address and the June 13 update is them somehow once again pulling their head out of their collective you know whats...and fixing the mailing address, went to PO Boxes, makes for a small office.
Current Owner(s) Information
Owner Name: NEAH POWER SYSTEMS INC
As for the status..
This page was generated by TSDR on 2017-06-20 23:58:24 EDT
Mark: POWERCHIP FUEL CELL
Trademark image
US Serial Number: 86644627 Application Filing Date: May 28, 2015
Filed as TEAS Plus: Yes Currently TEAS Plus: Yes
Register: Principal
Mark Type: Trademark
TM5 Common Status Descriptor: TM5 Common Status image
LIVE/APPLICATION/Under Examination
The trademark application has been accepted by the Office (has met the minimum filing requirements) and that this application has been assigned to an examiner.
Status: A non-final Office action has been sent (issued) to the applicant. This is a letter from the examining attorney requiring additional information and/or making an initial refusal. The applicant must respond to this Office action. To view all documents in this file, click on the Trademark Document Retrieval link at the top of this page.
Status Date: May 15, 2017
In the past , this was when it got sticky for NEAH. They get the letter requiring additional information and don't respond.
Nothing special happening, this is just the ongoing process with the NEAH wonders, messing it up in between, making it take longer.
I guess we could take heart in the fact that they are not totally giving up , so they may not be planning to shut down...but then they weren't planning to shut down all these other years they failed, were they ?
JMHO
Bill
Quoting the author of the article for NEAH's last pump n dump is not entirely kosher.
The data is old. Neah has a much lower market cap. Much higher OS. Going dark. Even DCouto has decided it's too difficult to pump this pig.
Jmho
Bill