Reading through the BS to find the truth
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I think the patents combined with the IPR wins ARE ENOUGH to warrant a licensing deal or buyout, but I don't see a licensing deal happening because the alleged infringers are "innocent until proven guilty" and will continue to fight in court until a judge rules against them. Why buy something you don't need unless a judge says you need it because you broke patent law? We don't put people in jail unless they are proven guilty in a court of law, or admit guilt. Same concept applies here, IMO.
And, I think a buyout COULD be possible but only AFTER the PTAB has rejected apples request for rehearing. I think DB had a valid point that it's possible some potential buyer has been combing the books to make sure everything is legit...and there could be an offer but only after the PTAB rules in our favor. I think that's all very plausible. Of course, there is no one that can provide proof that there might be a deal pending. Just speculation at this point.
I think there was a time (not so long ago) the PTAB could be persuaded to make a decision based on the money trail (as we saw most of the judges were former google and apple attorneys, according the Sawyer letters..from what I understood).
But now, I don't think that's the case with all the negative publicity they've been receiving, and with the bill recently introduced that would relieve them of their duty (jobs). I think that might be why they are taking so long to make their decision. If it was the same panel as a couple years ago, this easily would have gone in favor of Apple. IMO
I don't necessarily believe that the technical merits of the patents aren't enough by themselves to generate a buyout or licensing deal. But I do think that the alleged infringing companies aren't going to license or buy, until proven to be 100% upheld by a court of law. The PTAB is not really a court of law. It's like being innocent until proven guilty. Even if they know they are guilty, they are going to make VPLM prove it before they pay up. This coincides with my previous post and theory about litigation/case protocol.
I'm with you on reading the patents and case filings. Too much to decipher. I think that since the PTAB has upheld the merits thus far, this is good for VPLM and investors (of course). And gives credence and foundation to the patents. I'm not a patent attorney or have any experience with patents, so that's as far as my knowledge and opinion can go.
So in summary, I think the patents have a solid foundation because of the IPR wins, but I don't think there will be a licensing deal because of the old saying "innocent until proven guilty." Which means this drags out for a few more years unless, say, an apple competitor decides to take on the risk and costs to continue the fight and buys us out. That's a BIG IF, and likely only on the table once the PTAB has made their ruling...and that ruling is in VPLM's favor. Based on all the recent historical data being posted about similar situations, the PTAB has rarely, if ever, allowed a rehearing. But, it's still a risk in this case, and I wonder what the market will do if the ruling is not in our favor. As an "on the fence" investor, I'm betting they will rule in our favor and I'll hold until a decision is made.
Resistance seems to be at 8. Last time we went below 8 was just a few weeks ago, but before that, it was November of last year. Tomorrow and Monday will be very telling. Seems most of the PR's are released on either a Tuesday or Thursday. I seriously doubt there will be any PR's or news until the PTAB rules, and who knows when that will be. Could be days, weeks, or months, since they are not time bound.
I see everyone holding on for that ruling to happen because we all believe it will be in VPLM's favor. If it is, we should see a nice big spike again, maybe to .50 and then watch it drop like a hot rock because people will jump ship knowing that even with the PTAB win, there are years more to go if this goes to trial. I don't think we're far enough in to the trial process/discovery, etc. for this stock to slowly rise over time, because the odds are stacked against us. The only real win will be if someone buys us out. I don't see any licensing deals happening on technical merit of the patents, or those licensing deals would have happened already. The big companies have deep enough pockets to bet against VPLM and I firmly believe that will be their MO until a judge rules against them.
I'm hoping we don't see 5 cents and 2 cents again, but I think it's a real possibility if the PTAB doesn't rule in our favor, real soon. And I think you're right, that they are holding their ruling back because of the Sawyer letters and now because of all the negative publicity they're getting. I can't imagine what happens if that bill goes through and the PTAB is disbanded without making a ruling on this.
This of course, is all just my opinion.
oops..PROBABLY going lower this week without a PR. Just my opinion.
PROBABLY
GO VPLM! PTAB RULING? PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!
I can do NewMoney too :)
**Sevens?....Sixes?.....fives?**
Oh, and CEO :)
the impending RS would do wonders for this stock!
Oh, and NEWS IS COMING! PTAB RULING? TALKS? POTENTIAL DEAL IF PTAB RULES IN OUR FAVOR? BUYERS AND SELLERS TAKING A BREAK!
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!
How was that?
You predicted 5's and 6's for July. Hasn't happened yet, why? These predictions have proven to be wrong and thus your opinion about VPLM is wrong without any factual basis. Why VPLM is still hanging around a dime with very little trading or real news, is however, odd.
Duh. From that point of view, if the CEO is lying, you think it doesn't matter? Give me a break.
Fact is, no one except those closest to Emil know the truth. And everything we state here to the contrary, is simply speculation.
Who care's if the CEO is lying? Seriously? If he's lying about anything, no one should have any faith in this company or stock.
Facts indeed. And I'm one of the few NOT trying to talk the stock down. I've never said this was a scam like a few others keep doing day in and day out.
I'm simply stating my OPINION and logic, based on the PUBLIC information available. I would LOVE to see this go to the moon. I've heard plenty of rumors about a buyout from an apple competitor. Talks here, talks there. Nothing ever happens. Yeah yeah, patience is a virtue. That's been floated here for years. Patience in a penny stock is not really a wise investment approach. Once in a blue moon, people get lucky I suppose.
Good luck to all!
To your private message about me trying to get cheaper stock, no! I'm not a rich investor who has tons of $$ to keep throwing at this to try and improve my position. I'm trying to recoup my initial investment because I allowed myself to get sucked in to this, what seems like, a pipe dream. Now that I've done my own DD, there just doesn't seem an end in sight to this unless there is a buyout or licensing deal....which in reality should have occurred by now with the all mighty 8 IPR WINS!!! Apple will never settle before going to court, no chance in hell IMO.
There have been posts about "talks" for years and nothing has come about...yet (hopefully).
I think many investors are running low on PATIENCE are looking for the next big opportunity to get out! Good luck to those willing to hang on for another 3-5 years while millions of your $$ are spent in the courtroom. Sorry, I don't have that kind of patience unless maybe I was in at sub penny.
Of course there is no deadline, but buyout or licensing talks don't drag on for a year+. If these companies were interested in a "deal" it would have happened by now, knowing that the VPLM lawsuits against them are moving forward anyway. No reason to delay making a deal...just like there is no reason apple wouldn't go to court right away, as you've suggested many times. The only reason is if they have nothing to worry about.
Which is exactly my point. There is NO STAY on the other "infringers" and the cases are moving forward. They should be shaking in their boots with the IPR's won. Why isn't there a licensing deal or buyout offer already from one of them? They are big enough to have the money. Maybe because they aren't using any of the old VOIP technology and have nothing to worry about. The fact that there is no "deal" with any of them, says a lot IMO. It also says that there won't be any deals and these companies are going to go to court to battle it out which could take years. Everyone is stuck on the PTAB ruling for Apple. All that's going to do is maybe give us another spike, but no buyout or licensing deal.
What am I missing?
So you just confirmed there is no stay for the OTHER COMPANIES. VPLM is choosing to wait on the PTAB to rule on Apple, so the lawsuits can be combined. Why wait? Why not move forward with the other lawsuits. Why aren't any of the other companies shaking in their boots and buying out VPLM? If there were any serious "talks" they would have been fruitful by now. It's been months!
Didn't think they could move in to discovery with the stay in place.
Voip-Pal’s Lawsuits vs. Verizon, AT&T, Twitter. The patent infringement lawsuits against Twitter, Verizon, and AT&T, asserting U.S. Patent Nos. 8,542,815 and 9,179,005, continue to move into the discovery phase, with scheduling orders having been entered in each of those cases
The stay was lifted with the other companies. Just waiting for PTAB to rule on Apple. The question remains, why hasn't anyone else stepped up to buy VPLM? They don't need to wait for the PTAB ruling on Apple.
Technology doesn't stay the same. Hardware changes, protocols, and methods of routing data change. To me, it's unlikely any of these "infringers" are still using VPLM's patented technology. Which is why they probably don't care. I'm hoping for one more spike to hit .50+ then I'm out.
The overall picture here just doesn't look that great, even with the IPR wins. Seriously doubt anyone is going become a millionaire investing in this stock. But boy, it would be great to be wrong!
I'm specifically referring to appl. They operate off a different mindset. Yes, delay delay delay is the protocol. Anything to keep from admitting defeat and ponying up. Steve Jobs biography will reveal how he thinks.
I hope VPLM is not manipulating, but OTC traded companies do it all the time, and I'm sure VPLM is guilty of it at some point. Hopefully I'm wrong. Can't be proven, so I have no solid grounds other than what the "norm" is.
As far as having control over the articles released today, I'm sure the journalists can be persuaded by some means. Happens all the time. But again, not something that can be proven. No, I'm not suggesting anything other than what is simply a possibility.
As far as being up 25% the past few weeks, we're barely regaining lost ground from the past few months. Thankfully.
And yes, VPLM has to wait for things out of their control, the PTAB. They are doing what any company in this position should do. The PR's are important, tell a story, and help keep interest. But the recent PR's are not providing any NEW information. Simply telling the story that has been for many months.
No, not suggesting that. I'm saying that these big companies have "lawsuit protocol" that is designed to delay an outcome at all costs. Sometimes money isn't the only driving factor. In the case of aapl, they would delay on principal because that is their MO. A mentality set by Steve Jobs and carried on by Tim Cook. They will try and protect their intellectual property and delay having to reveal source code until the 11th hour, and not because of money. No, I don't have proof, just sound logic and bits of information I've gleaned here and there.
For the record, I'm in favor of VPLM, but there are always two sides. And both sides almost always tell their own lies to try and gain the advantage.
In my opinion, if this wasn't a staged pump this week, then volume would have continued to be way up today around 1m. Today's news was probably the last we'll hear until the PTAB ruling, and because no one can predict when that will be, the price had to be kept from falling lower. Also possible that if there are "talks" going on, it would be in VPLM's favor to show double digit stock price to firm up their position in these talks. I doubt there will be any sale or licensing deals until the PTAB rules. Too risky. Just speculation, but seems logical to me. Trust me, I hope I'm wrong, and I hope something 'real' finally happens soon. I think investors' patience has run out and if something doesn't happen soon, we may likely see .02, especially if PTAB ruling is not favorable to VPLM.
Protocol. They have a legal protocol for all cases like this that they follow, designed to protect their interests.
I’m hopeful but cautious. The publicity is good as long as there is resolution in sight. If we’re still taking about this in 3 years, then that strengthens the opposing views, imo.
Pulling out all the stops releasing a news article about a news article, about no news at all. Haha.
The Charts seem to indicate wash trading as this stock has never risen without a PR. And there has been no new news to push it higher. IMO. I’ll hold where I am though and see what happens. Maybe someone knows the PTAB ruling is not looking favorable for VPLM, and want to pump the stock to get out before sub penny hits. I hope not but it seems like it could be a possibility, no?
Here's an old article discussing the patents and how these lawsuits came about. Patent numbers included.
http://media.wix.com/ugd/768c4e_0f002715ae4544b6a3e6e1c4b0f92be1.pdf
I also found this article when the stock surged last November.
https://oracledispatch.com/2017/12/17/unstoppable-ascent-voip-pal-com-insh-otcmktsvplm/
Emil Malak, CEO of Voip-Pal, stated, “This is long-awaited news that holds great promise for our Company and our shareholders. European allowance of our main patent, the RBR, will allow us to have representation in all 28 countries in the EU. Expansion into Europe will add significant value to our already valuable US patent portfolio. The team of engineers and I began designing and developing this technology back in 2004. Patience is a virtue.”
Interesting tag line "Patience is a virtue" coined by none other than Mr. Malak himself...in the context of this company.
Hopefully these patents contain algorithms that will hold up in court. As I've read, even though VPLM has won these IPR's, there will still be other challenges based on Alice 101 and 112. Anyone care to explain this further?
https://www.cdfslaw.com/publications/alice-%C2%A7-101-%C2%A7-112-patent-application-drafting-tips-avoid-rejections-survive-post-grant-proceedings/
Should see a big jump next PR .75+?
VPLM = 8 IPR wins!
AAPL = 0
Short term, this will likely dip further because of dilution, until the next PR. Next PR will be huge and cause a spike which will allow everyone to take some profits before slowly coming back down for the LONG haul. But it won’t drop below double digits after that. If PTAB lifts the stay on Apple case and we move to discovery, (very likely) there’s a high chance VPLM is bought out by an Apple competitor who has the cash to see this through. Us LONGS will likely not have to wait 3-5 years with a buyout deal in the next 6 months. Patents are legit or they wouldn’t have passed 8 IPR’s!! VPLM just needs to capitalize on them before validity runs out and they have to be challenged again. 9 years before that happens. Sure, owning any penny stock for the long haul violates investment rules, but in some cases (like this one) the risk/reward is certifiable when one does their Homework.
$1.50 within 2 weeks. I hope :)