Reading through the BS to find the truth
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Looks like very little attorney costs in Q4 2019. OUt of money which is why they hired incompetent and stuttering Hudnell. No wonder we lost the first appeal. They are probably paying him in cracker jacks :)
If Hudnell had a surprise up his sleeve, he would have used it during arguments a couple weeks ago. There is no confidence in this bumbling buffoon.
come on, really? be realistic. no way the 2nd appeal is gonna work if the first one didn't. This is dead in the U.S. unless VPLM tries to appeal to supreme court, and I seriously doubt supreme court will hear this case. Just not gonna happen.
there's been little to no traction in other countries. The fact this was ruled abstract in U.S. courts won't bode well for litigation in other countries. I don't see it happening, or VPLM would have pursued with much greater effort. This is common sense. Sources aren't needed to make a common sense statement.
this is the end. The appeal with apple will go the same way.
No, this is just manipulation until we hear from the court. No one else believes this is going anywhere
Thoughts and Prayers aren't going to bring this turd up.
Hudnell sounds like a child. His voice is shaky and he can't even form full sentences without saying "uh" several hundred times. This guy is a joke, I can't believe he is really an attorney. As soon as Twitter attorney gets up there, you know who's the boss. Voip-Pal never asked for a claims construction hearing as the judges mention multiple times. The claim LANGUAGE is abstract and that's why this isn't going anywhere. How the heck did this get past even 1 IPR challenge is beyond belief.
It makes perfect sense. Anything else, and Apple would be admitting guilt to infringement. Of course they will pay. Trillion dollar company. Millions is pocket change.
Apple is not going to change their strategy because it works in MOST cases. A few losses here and there are already factored in to their strategy, not to mention, millions are pocket change for this trillion dollar company.
I bet the PR comes out tonight...before Friday trading opens. Voip-pal likes to release them on Thursdays from what I've seen.
When the appeal is ruled on....Unlikely to be overturned!
Highly unlikely Koh's ruling is overturned. When she rules on the appeal, GAME OVER!
Here's the KEY QUOTE from Emil's mouth to our ears -
"The Silicon Valley infringers are using the broken and biased patent system to keep us in court for years to come."
YEARS TO COME! Hope you all have lots of patience
Never know who's friends with who these days, and not if he was paid off in the form of $$ or GIFTED SHARES to go along with it!
None of the officers are worth millions in pay for producing ZERO revenue! I can see a modest salary of 100-500k annual, but these million dollar bonuses are nothing more than stealing shareholder money!!! One big reason I sold my position. It's not logical to pay yourselves that much money over simply working with lawyers who are doing all the work! If EMIL and company truly cared about this company and it's shareholders, they would NOT be taking million dollar bonuses, plain and simple.
If this is a real victory, why isn't the market responding? Price is still below 2 cents. Maybe they know something we don't? Maybe there is no interest here for a reason...
DD will show you that Judge Kohs rulings rarely get overturned.
No new lows under Emil, only new highs! Below 2 cents is just a great bargain! Blue light special! buy buy buy!
Treble, triple treble damages. Heck the damages have fallen off a cliff! Apple, AT&T, Amazon owe us BILLIONS and TRILLIONS for stealing our patents! EU is the key! The judges there will rule in our favor! But it's going to cost millions of dollars to fight so keep buying VPLM so we can fund our litigation!...I mean fund our 10% stock bonus and millions of dollars in salary compensation, because we gots the goodies!
Emil now CEO AND President of Voip-Pal! Makes no difference! Why no new lows? Keep hearing this and that, but nothing of substance! VPLM in best position ever! Alice ruling will be overturned! We got the goodies in Europe! Damage meter spinning faster than dilution meter! Below 2 cents is just a great buying opportunity! Get in now while you can! It's ok that Emil gifts his shares away, so what! PTAB 8-0! We're winning! Judge Koh is corrupt and the government will wipe out Alice 101! We are in the best position ever! Oh, did I say that already? I'm a buyer not a seller. Been here for a decade but I will keep holding because we got the goodies!!!
Always an end of day paint to keep this from dropping below 2 cents. This clearly wants to move below 2 cents, but insiders and outsiders with those gifted shares, keep it going. Below 2 cents, and all hope is lost for VOIP-PAL.
especially now with the Alice 101 ruling.
Insiders will keep pumping to keep it above .02 - that's why Emil gifted away all those shares for fake pumps. There are no real buyers and sellers of this. Wallstreet/no-one is interested.
Say VPLM wins the rehearing with a new panel, whatever. Defendants will then appeal to the courts under Alice 101 and get killed again? The courts decision over rules PTAB does it not? This is going nowhere soon. Another 2-5 years for any movement while shit is locked up in the court system. And then, you have to sue for damages and win. And then wait for defendant appeal. Then wait for a decision on that appeal. Then try and collect! YEARS AND YEARS AWAY - IF VPLM is successful. This shit will be dead before all that.
Exactly why the fake PR was released - I'm sure Emil and the Dr. made a little back door deal so the Dr. wouldn't deny the fake PR.
It's not making new lows because the insiders are pumping and dumping to keep it where it's at. It's a farse. Real investors aren't buying this.
Where's those Kipping shares you said would be returned weeks ago!
As PATENTPLAYS stated, no ruling by Koh has EVER been overturned or successfully appealed. VPLM won't be the first.
If the patent system in the EU is that much more favorable to companies than the U.S., and we have a greater chance of winning there, why didn't Voip-Pal pursue enforcement of their patents there FIRST instead of the U.S. where it is so much harder? Why not spend the time and money where chances of a favorable outcome are much greater? You can't tell me the Voip-Pal attorneys don't know how the system works in the U.S. and the 101 process.
The actions of the CEO point to greed. Taking a multi-million dollar salary when a company like this has zero revenue, is a huge red flag and just morally the wrong thing to do if you really cared about share holders. Gifting shares to friends and family to enrich his family, is also a huge red flag.
The recent buyout offer for Emil's shares, and only now releasing that information, is an attempt to pump the stock. (nothing more) Maybe just long enough so that Emil's friends and family can cash out their gifted shares at a higher profit?
People need to think logically about this whole thing and stop letting their own greed for getting rich, get in the way of logic and sound reasoning.
Next mini pump will be when the PTAB makes another favorable ruling. But that will mean very little unless the 101 ruling is overturned. Good f'ing luck with that.
It's hard for people to let go of a huge pipe dream. Dreams of being rich, paying off homes, etc. My guess is there will be investors that hold on until Malik comes clean and announces the company is giving up on his monetization efforts
Does the PTAB consider Alice 101 when validating/issuing patents? I'm guessing not, or Alice 101 wouldn't exist within the judicial system for cases like this...curious. PTAB would have a certain criteria to follow. The courts have another...Alice 101.
BINGO BANGO! I read this the other day and found it very enlightening. Voip-pal would need to go back and modify the details of their "invention" and submit for new patents, if they even can. Once this is reviewed by the panels, lawyers, etc. in Europe, this will get squashed there too. These patents are too general. I'm surprised they even got a patent and won IPR challenges. Seems the PTAB didn't examine the details good enough. I don't see how any investor who reads this court document, could possibly hold their position or want to buy more of this worthless stock.
Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe lots of investors are on vacation for spring break, and they will finish dumping next week
All this litigation and appeals = more money = more dilution = more patience = ruling against voip-pal. I'm sorry, but you'd be fool to stay invested in this unless you have literally nothing to lose with your investment. Most people do, though. I wouldn't be surprised to hear from the company in a few weeks that ends this whole thing. Apple will fight this just a vigorously in the EU. The invention is not really an invention if you do your DD. Emil (DB) you got some money from me, but not nearly as much as from other investors. F'ing thief.
This was a great read and summary by Judge Koh. Makes sense to me and all investors should be able to see why the patents were dismissed via Alice 101. No chance in hell this is getting overturned, and my opinion is I highly doubt vplm will see monitization in Europe because the underlying patent/invention is not really a new invention. It can all be done by person, which is what the old switchboard operators used to do. I never see anyone on this board discuss the actual patents and details. This document says it all. I sold all my shares yesterday and have zero plans to buy back. buh-by vplm.
THERE IS A BUY AND SELL PATTERN. Not hard to figure out what's going on.
Here are those 5's several people predicted. Dilution meter running faster than the damages meter IMO. Damages meter is a fantasy number.
Hopefully high enough that I can get my money back and maybe a few bucks for the wasted time investing in a zero revenue company where the CEO takes millions for himself.
I've hearing about good news on the horizon for over a year now. Some of us "trolls" are just getting tired of the same BS and decide to speak up on these boards. Increased activity doesn't mean there is any good news coming. History of this stock and boards has shown that.