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Yeah, it's like an uncharacteristic spasm of honesty occurred. It's unlikely that a Cyclone engine has ever produced supercritical steam, but if one did, it would have been just before a catastrophic hardware failure.
Given the other typos in that Cyclone nonsense, however, it's more likely another mistake by Frankie, who just doesn't have a clue about the technology of the small company she's been President of for 14 years or so. Remember the video she narrated? She seemed very proud of their "dyno-meter".
As you've said before, how can people claiming to be professionals be so immune to proofreading the stuff they put out?
"Oh, but Tesla got $500 million to hire proofreaders!", she'll be shrieking as she reads this.
It's also interesting that their "investor" was displaying an old artistic impression drawing of the original Mark 5 engine. Not the Mark 10 they were supposed to be funding, or even the later version of the Mark 5 with all the Harry Schoell inventions removed. No pictures of any real, physical Cyclone hardware at all.
It makes you wonder if that whole venture was done by email and if the guy in Utah even visited Cyclone and asked for a demonstration.
It's safe to say the 1500 hp Mark 10 exists only as a cocktail napkin sketch and a figment of Harry Schoell's imagination. Cyclone could always publish photos and videos of these engines to prove me wrong, but they won't. There's nothing real to photograph.
I wonder if they'll continue the Cyclone scam as a solar energy venture, or whether they'll use some other con to swindle new investors.
Uh-oh. The Secret Investor has folded.
The PR of Aug 15, 2017 mentions "Cyclone welcomes Altris Thermal of Utah as a solar/thermal OEM."
The first hit from Google for Altris Thermal is the Utah Division of Corporations page that says their corporate status is expired as of July 26, 2018.
Altris Power of Utah also shows up at the same address, and their status is expired as of November 29, 2018.
Their trademark also expired last August.
Altris Power has a website http://www.altrispower.com/ Scroll down to the Clean Engine section and see if anything looks familiar. It gets even better on another page http://www.altrispower.com/clean-engines/
Altris Power's corporate address turns out to be a small business incubator non-profit in Salt Lake City that currently does not list them as a member.
There's no evidence they have done anything other than set up a website and file some corporate papers.
But, that didn't stop Frankie and Harry from annoucing this "investor" was going to buy 20% of Cyclone for $5 million:
About Investors:
They will, at their request, be identified as soon as the due diligence period is complete or they have reached their filing requirements by SEC of ownership.
They have over 20 years combined experience specialize in marketing, innovation, strategy, scaling technologies, building affiliate networks for mass distributions, and financing green technologies to address pressing needs for a wide variety of industries, including water purification, solar heating, and clean electrical generation. All of their affiliates are each a game changer in their field. They are bringing the right products, at the right time, as the U.S. and global markets have increased awareness and requirements for clean energy.
Cyclone Power Technologies is making great strides in its normal course of operations and its goals of bringing a working engine into mass production in the very near future. We are continuing to work closely with our new investors/partners and receiving monthly payments based upon draw schedules and milestones of finishing the engines. We have fully priced out the completed engines with our manufacturers and are getting ready to take deposits from customers for the first production engines.
“We have added new staff and electrical engineers with extensive experience and knowledge to help us complete the arduous task of bringing an industry disruptor to the market.” commented Harry Schoell. We are finally making great progress now that we have the equipment and manpower necessary to complete the tasks at hand.
More sleeze from Frankie Fruge. On their Facebook Reviews page
Frankie Fruge Patrick Price Please by all means show ME one penny we have gotten from Cyclone or any investor and actually used that penny to put in our own bank account. If Mr Chuk had to go thru an SEC audit like we do you would find many skeletons in that closet but since his lawyers insisted the settlement had to be secret I guess you will never know. Where do you think someone on military disability got the wherewithal to do that? You guys just crack me up with your twisted scenarios totally avoiding the documented truths as written and explained by SEC outside auditors which we pay for and we don't have too. But I might as well talk to a wall than to people who like fiction rather than documented proof.
Frankie's just building the suspense for the big reveal on Monday (the end of the year).
Maybe they'll have Geraldo Rivera find a working Mark 10 engine in Al Capone's vault.
Can't wait.
10 days to year end.
Still no news since August 2nd, not even financial filings.
Things must be really bad if even the master manipulator Frankie Fruge can't come up with some way to positively spin it.
Maybe those Mark 10s are busy powering their Christmas lights?
We know that the 25hp Mark 3 could only power three bulbs, so it wouldn't take a very big string of lights to tie up three 1500hp Mark 10s:
Yep, it's always been part of the story. Tout "binding" LOIs and MOUs and all the "partners" and contracts and million dollar purchase orders in PRs to sell stock. And none of these big deals have amounted to anything.
They also early on set up that "Board of Advisors" with every reputable technical person in the field as members. This board had exactly one meeting, ever, and that was just to wine and dine the members. No advice was ever solicited from the advisors, nor was any accepted. It was just a stunt to sell stock based on the reputations of these individuals.
One of these advisors, a fellow by the name of Jim Crank, had gotten wise to the scheme and started calling Cyclone "Delusions-R-Us" and claiming that they have faked their test data.
Cyclone's website still lists most of the management "team" as people who have long since left Cyclone. But, hey, Frankie Fruge with her full time CFO and four business consultants works seven days a week, we are told, and how could she possibly have time to correct the misleading information on the website? Why, it might take several minutes to delete the bios of all these people who no longer work there.
President Frankie keeps mentioning her "new business model" coming to "fruition" where companies who actually know how to make things would build Cyclone engines. Cyclone would just collect fees. Only trouble has been, and tell me if you've heard this before, the "new" Mark 1, Mark 3, Mark 7 and Mark 10 engines don't work. Just like the "old" Mark 2, Mark 4, Mark 5, Mark 6, S-1, S-2, WHE and Genie engines.
And don't forget that new, 10 year $11 million contract to supply electricity at below market rates. Yes, it's like getting a contract to sell $20 bills for $10 each. Not all that hard to do. But Frankie is using that stunt to sell stock to the unsuspecting based on promises that Cyclone, who has never demonstrated an engine that can run for 10 hours without breaking down or having made any electricity from solar heat, will suddenly fix all their technical problems and deliver a complete, 3 megawatt solar power plant with three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines that will run continuously at full output for the next 10 years. All starting next quarter.
You're right Bobby, the list of Cyclone misrepresentations is very long, indeed. Each of the hundreds of PRs they've put out has made promises. The list of promises that have actually come true is much, much shorter.
For example, I once dug out 10 separate PRs they put out over a two year period about the waste heat generator they sold to Bent Glass Designs in Pennsylvania. The last claimed the system was started and generating electricity. Then the story went silent. Years later, buried in a financial filing they admitted the system was removed within a week and never replaced.
Another example, Topline, who Frankie called a "global automotive manufacturer" because they had one old, small, run-down factory in Michigan and a small alternator rebuilding shop in Argentina, was to redesign the WHE engine for mass production and deliver 10 prototypes to Cyclone. Big News, according to Frankie. Buried in financial filings years later they admitted Topline did supply the parts for 10 WHE engines, but Cyclone never provided any information about how those engines worked. I don't believe they ever released a photo of those engines. Given that they now state their inventory as near zero, those 10 wonderful engines must have been silently scrapped years ago.
There are a few videos out there of Harry talking about the engines. In every one he points to features on the fake mock-up engines and claims great performance of these "engines". He never gives any hint that all his claims are things he just made up and that nothing he says has been backed up by any testing of real engines.
In a 2008 video he tells the camera you will be able to buy Cyclone lawn mowers in 12 to 18 months. Other than the fake mower on display, Cyclone had never even tried to build a working lawn mower engine, let alone had a proven, working prototype. Yet he confidently tells the camera the Cyclone mower cuts grass silently.
The only Cyclone engine that we know has been run outside of Cyclone is the one at IBES Energy in Dubai. Their plan was to have household furnaces that burn wood and make steam to run a Cyclone Mark 3 engine turning a generator. Here's a video of it:
Making a super critical steam engine work is only a small part of their problem. The low pressure, low temperature WHE waste heat engine has been a continual failure since they sold the first one to Bent Glass Designs in Pennsylvania in November of 2008. They still haven't shown any engine that can run for 10 hours without self destructing.
Yet in those ten years they have continually promised that engines will be going into production within six months, and have signed a variety of contracts either to supply working engines themselves or to supply the designs of working engines for others to make.
At the Shareholder Open House of December 2011 (presentation on file at the SEC) Harry Schoell told shareholders that all the technological problems with the engines had been overcome:
Here was the schedule they provided then:
The first box, Phoenix Delivery of a WHE engine still hasn't occurred, now seven years later.
Since you work so closely with them, could you tell us why they haven't been publicly demonstrating any working engines given they they claim to have solved all their technical problems?
Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge haven't provided any explanations. All they've done is continue to claim engines will be going into production soon, and sign contracts promising delivery of working engines to customers.
They are working hard for investors? Really? Frankie Fruge, whose bio says she is a former auditor at Ernst & Ernst, and has a full time CFO and at least four business consultants being paid hundreds of millions of shares each has not only not filed the last 10Q, but did not even file the notice Cyclone would be late with the 10Q. How much work is that? For a company with perhaps a few employees and possible revenue only from one investor, how much work would it be to copy the last 10Q and update a few numbers?
The last 10Q wasn't audited, so the excuse that they're not filing because they can't afford audit fees dosen't fly.
As for Harry Schoell, what is he doing seven days a week? Exactly the same uneducated tinkering he has done for the last 14 years or so with no success? In 2013 Cyclone hired the automotive research lab at Ohio State University to fix the problems with the WHE engine. First they eliminated Schoell's "spider bearing" and saw a big improvement in engine reliability, but then discovered that no known bearing can survive in a water-lubricated Cyclone engine for long. They proposed building a bearing test machine to develop new bearings that would survive. Cyclone then stopped funding the work.
That was five years ago now. Harry Schoell is still trying to make his "spider bearing" and water lubrication work, with zero success. The contract to supply WHE engines to Phoenix Power required them to run for 200 hours without failure. The engines for FSDS of Denmark only required engines to run for 10 hours, and Cyclone still hasn't managed that.
They still tell people, e.g., recently on Facebook, that they have water lubrication working just fine. Someone popped up on this board recently claiming that water lubrication works in Cyclone engines with hybrid ceramic-steel ball bearings. When bearing manufacturers' data was used to show that couldn't possibly be true, the Cyclone advocate disappeared.
Could it be that Harry Schoell likes to tinker and pretend to be an "ingenious inventor", and Cyclone investors have funding his paid vacation for all these years? He certainly isn't interested in building working steam engines. Lots of people were doing that, successfully, for the last 200 years. It's not that hard.
There's also no explanation of what happened to all those tens of millions of dollars of investors' money that disappeared into Cyclone. Here's a shot from the last video they put on Facebook:
That's all there is to show for at least $25,000,000 in cash spent by Cyclone. And that little engine still doesn't produce any power. Where did all that money go? Certainly not to making working steam engines they promised to customers and investors.
The current round of promises are that three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines will be completed and running by the end of this month, and will be installed and working in a solar power system at the end of the next quarter. Any bets they'll make good on those promises?
So, after telling investors in 2011 that all the technical problems with the engines have been overcome, can you tell us why they have still never demonstrated a working engine?
By the way, the Pulse Drive business is still for sale. They were trying to hawk it on Facebook a while ago. It was sold once, but the buyer ended up suing them and they ended up with the business back. Funny, though, for such a great product they haven't been trying to sell any for all these years...
Lessee, the 100 hp Mark 5 was going to take the car to 200 mph and the 330 hp Mark 6 was going to increase that to 400 mph*, so 3.3x the hp gives 2x the speed.
The Mark 10 is 1500/330 = 4.5x the power of the Mark 6. It will go 4.5/3.3 x 2 = 2.75x the speed of the Mark 6.
2.75 x 400 mph = 1100 mph. Not bad. That'll show all those dumb people who were only able to take the world absolute speed record to a paltry 763 mph.
* According to the math of Harry Schoell. He's a genuine "in-genius", so it must be true.
No insider information, just a lot of history.
The Mark 5 (2007) engine had customers waiting and was going into production but has never been seen running in public. They've never explained why, and haven't talked about it for years.
Same with the Mark 6 (2007), the Lawnmower (2007), the Waste Heat Engine (WHE) (2008), the Genie (2009), the Solar-1 (2009), the S-2 (2011), the Mark 3 (2014), the Mark 1 (2014), and the Mark 7 (2016).
They've promised three 1500 hp Mark 10s will be running by the end of this year and would be installed in running solar power plants next quarter.
This from an outfit that hasn't been able to make a go-kart run around a parking lot powered by a steam engine after spending tens of millions of dollars of other people's money.
The Mark 10 engine will be just as much a failure as every other Cyclone engine, only a much bigger and heavier one.
It's not surprising that Frankie has clammed up and is not filing financial reports. She's got nothing that she can spin into any kind of positive news. That says a lot considering her skills at manipulating the truth.
Like when Topline Automotive was a global automotive manufacturer because they bought a bankrupt factory in Michigan with 20 employees and had an alternator rebuilding company in Argentina, also with 20 employees.
Or that outfit in California who was the market leader in portable generating and lighting equipment but turned out to be running out of a rented mailbox in the Bakersfield CA UPS Store.
Or Revgine who was going to corner the market on lawn mower and weed eater engines, and was also just a rented mailbox in a 7-11 in a small town in New York.
Or their major construction partner who was going to be building megawatt solar power plants and turned out to be a guy operating out of an empty storefront.
Heaven forbid that Frankie Fruge would be forced to tell investors the truth about what's going on inside Cyclone, like she is legally obligated to do. She'd have to explain they've never been able to make an engine that could produce any power without immediately self destructing. Then explain that all those claims and predictions about engines and production starting were just pure fiction to separate investors from their money.
She had recently been lying to people about Cyclone being able to make water lubrication work by using hybrid ceramic-steel ball bearings in the engines. A quick look at the catalogs of bearing manufacturers showed that can't possibly be true, let alone the fact Cyclone has never publicly demonstrated a running engine. But she still tells these falsehoods to the unsuspecting.
Just four weeks now to finish those three 1500 hp engines they promised. Can't wait.
Welcome to December. Won't be long now. Four weeks until the big reveal of those three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines. Made by elves in the North Pole workshop and delivered by Santa and his reindeer, no doubt.
No announcements since the beginning of August, no financial filings, no photos or videos of engine progress.
I wonder how long it will be before they announce the next brand new engine model, along with waiting customers, "binding" letters of intent and predictions of production starting in six months, while quietly burying the Mark 10?
I'll bet we never do find out who that Secret Investor for the Mark 10 is.
I don't know if it means much. Each time they did previously file the form NT 10Q they went much longer than the five days that gave them before finally filing the reports. At one point it seems to me they were about two years behind in filing. The SEC did nothing and as I understand it the SEC has even fewer enforcement resources now.
Trading volume has tapered off the last couple months. Probably they got rid of those four business consultants who had been getting hundreds of millions of newly issued shares. There's still some room for more dilution so I expect Cyclone is still going.
I can't wait to see a video of those three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines they promised would be running by the end of the year. That's five weeks from today.
When they do wrap up the scam and sail off into the sunset with all those millions diverted into Schoell Marine, Harry and Frankie will make a lot of noise about how they are the real victims here and that they deserve even more than they took.
The PR called it "an affiliated entity called Earth Property Holdings LLC", so yeah, it's the same insiders with a different shell. This one being private with no reporting.
I expect, though, that the deal was set up this way because the "institutional investor" who put up the cash demanded a majority stake of 80% of ownership. The remaining 20% now held by QPWR would be the finder's fee.
Giving the money to QPWR would just be pouring it down the rat hole.
QPWR did sell more convertible notes, so they can keep paying the insiders so handsomely. $672,712 in expenses for the quarter, for a company with $354 in hard assets.
The notes will convert to stock at a 50% discount. That hasn't started yet, but when it does there is going to be an awful lot of new shares dumped on the market awfully quickly. Maybe the fishy trading has been to keep the price up so they could sell more of these notes.
Same MO as CYPW, which is now at $0.0001.
Yesterday was the deadline for filing the 10Q. And, naturally, Cyclone did not file.
Obviously they have nothing positive to report, so like always they simply don't file as they are legally obliged to do.
But then, when have Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge ever let legal (or ethical) requirements stand in their way?
Six weeks till the end of the year and those three running Mark 10 engines.
Although it is interesting to watch the contortions and convolutions Cyclone goes through in explaining their actions. Very creative, I have to admit, even though consistency and plausibility are very much lacking.
Just the gall of their "business plan" of selling licenses for their patented "technology" without even having attempted to build one working engine shows that selling snake oil was always part of the game.
They put together that Board of Advisors with every reputable person in the field and promoted that heavily. There was only one meeting of the Board, ever, and that was just a wine-and-dine deal to make the advisors feel good. They never asked for or accepted any advice from the Board. One of the advisors they promoted most heavily, a fellow named Jim Crank, has taken to calling them "Delusions-R-Us" and stating that they fake test results.
In 2012, after promising Chuk Williams an engine for his land speed record car and failing to deliver anything, they paid a lot of shareholder money to have that new car built and promised to set astounding new records before the end of the year.
Harry Schoell still found some respect on the steam car board back then and kept coming up with excuses for delays. A big one was they had to "fine tune" the engine settings. He promised dyno test results, then welshed.
Of course, in 2011 he had told shareholders that all the technological problems had been "overcome".
Two years ago Frankie promised on Facebook that the FSDS generator set was going to be tested by FSDS engineers and the full test results published. They even rented an electrical load bank, obviously for the first time, to take real measurements of engine output. There's no question the testing was done. Or at least whatever testing could be done before the engine self-destructed. But no results reported. You just know it must have been really embarrassing for them to welsh on this one too.
Frankie put in the annual reports for three years that Mark 1 engines have been undergoing field testing by customers. (Probably at the bottom of Biscayne Bay at the end of anchor ropes.)
And Cyclone has still never had an engine run under load for 10 hours without self-destructing.
But fear not, all Cyclone's problems are due only to posters on this board.
Yes, in spite of the Cabal and various other moneyed interests determined to suppress their wonderful technology, Cyclone is fighting the David and Goliath battle on behalf of the little people.
With actual cash spent between $25 and 30 million, plus another $35 or so million in derivative losses borne by investors, Cyclone has made fantastic progress in a mere 14 years.
To hear Frankie tell it, anyway.
Of course, she is also the one telling their Facebook friends that Ford and GM require $250 million to make a "small change" on a 100 year old internal combustion engine design. I.e., Cyclone's President says don't expect any successful product out of Cyclone unless they get at least another $200 million in new investment.
Well, that's sort-of honest. Yes, Cyclone certainly will not come up with a marketable engine if they get less than $200 million in new investment. Of course, they certainly will not come up with a marketable engine if they get over $200 million either. Harry Schoell will make certain of that.
So, by Frankie's reasoning Cyclone will not come up with a working engine. And three 1500 hp working engines will be ready for delivery to a customer by the end of next month.
Sure, why not?
But Frankie is still working the scam. She has obviously been lying to people about the success of water lubrication and how hybrid ceramic-steel ball bearings will solve all the bearing failure problems. We even had one of her victims here recently repeating the blather and being totally unable to point to any objective evidence that these hybrid bearings have any chance inside a Cyclone engine.
If the Q3 report comes out it will say how much new money they've gotten of that $5 million from the Secret Investor for meeting milestones. Between the end of Q2 (June 30) and the issue of the Q2 report (August 31) they earned $10,000 in progress payments. If that rate continues, they'll get the whole $5 million by about March 1 of the year 2102. Maybe they'll have a working engine by then.
Happy Birtday to the Mark 1 engine. Four years old today.
POMPANO BEACH, FL--(Marketwired - Nov 7, 2014) - Cyclone Power Technologies (PINKSHEETS: CYPW), developer of the all-fuel, clean-tech Cyclone Engine, announced today that HyPex Inc. is manufacturing a pre-production of 10 Mark I engines to test performance and quality control before going into engine production on a larger scale.
These Mark I engines have a max 5HP rating. They will be installed by our customers and potential licensees in their systems such as:
Solar powered systems
Marine generators
Household generators fueled by natural gas, diesel & gasoline
Household systems integrating combined heat and power
Power from waste heat specifically in automotive and trucks
Golf cart engines fueled by natural gas, diesel & gasoline
"This will allow our engines to be fully integrated and tested in our licensees' systems," stated Frankie Fruge, President of Cyclone. "This is a very exciting step to see how our products can impact the future direction of engine technology. It is also the first phase of getting our engines out of development and into the marketplace."
"This allows us the opportunity to see our engines actually working in various applications and to serve as an example to the worldwide end-users of our engines," added Harry Schoell, CTO of Cyclone.
"We are looking forward to the pre-production run of this engine and establishing our quality control and production systems," commented James Hasson, President of HyPex Inc.
And failed to run on coal dust. And algae oil. And oil from recycled plastics.
But Cyclone has now marketed shares based on all the "green" fuels, so they're having to recycle solar. Back about 2007 they promised to have dozens of solar generators placed with customers for testing. We're still waiting to see a Cyclone engine generating any power from solar heat.
Less than two months to go for those three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines to be built and running. Funny that there's been no updates on how that's going, isn't it?
The unfortunate part is that someone spent all the cash they could spare to buy those 1981 shares, and now it cost them even more to dispose of them.
Meanwhile, Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge are still living the life, still taking people's money based on promises they know can never come true.
Hmm, no definitive news yet on July's definitive purchase agreement.
Back in July they announced an agreement to purchase the George B. Wittmer Associates, Inc. waste processing company of Florida. The sale was supposed to be completed by the end of Q3.
Of course, the stumbling block is the minor detail that they have to deliver $4 million in cash to complete the sale.
At June 30th they had $179,639 in cash, and were averaging $100K per month cash burn in Q2. In Subsequent Events of the Q2 report it said they did raise another $250K in July, then promptly raised the salaries of the CEO and the President. That cash should all be spent right about now on insider salaries and consulting fees.
In a couple weeks the Q3 report will give an idea of how much more dilution there's been.
Announce you're buying some great profitable company, sell stock, pay out the cash to the insiders, fail to raise the money for the purchase, say no more about it, then repeat. Fools and their money.
Harry Schoell is the side show freak of the marine industry. That's why he got press coverage. For the entertainment value.
For instance, you take this sail on a powerboat. How many were built? How many were sold? Where is that boat now? Why have no manufacturers adopted it? Why has no one else on Earth copied it?
He built one and got his picture in a magazine. He probably believes it made him look like a genius rather than the industry clown.
As for Schoell's other "accomplishments", here's some information I posted a year ago:
Hey Bobby, I did find one Schoell design that was successful. Here's the details from a previous post:
His only successful product that I could find was the 8-outboard drug runner boat. http://www.snopes.com/photos/boats/drugrunner.asp Crompton Marine of the UK commissioned the designs from Schoell Marine, who was only too happy to design bigger and bigger drug runner boats: http://www.schoellmarine.com/new.htm
Imagine getting a design commission requiring:
- Capable of carrying three tons of cargo
- Speed to outrun any Coast Guard or DEA vessel
- No quarters or facilities for crew or passengers
- Able to run at full speed in open ocean between Africa and England
- Minimal radar profile
and probably being paid with duffle bags of cash. A job a little too dodgy for Harry Schoell? Of course not.
This gig ended when the client ended up in prison.
Of all the other Harry Schoell inventions, well,
- Pulse-Drive Systems International eventually failed after "Many years of trial and error"
- The patented "Delta-Conic" hull turned out to offer a little more speed in calm water but gave boats poor handling in waves. Trojan boats dropped the design after a short production run.
- His biggest "innovations" (http://www.schoellmarine.com/innovations.htm) all went nowhere.
- His previous attempt at engine design, the "Schoell Rolling Radial" engine was never reported to have been seen running.
- His "revolutionary" SR-84 design for setting a speed record (sound familiar?) is now a lawn ornament at Disney. http://www.schoellmarine.com/sr84_files/sr84.htm
- And this one has to be the stupidest of all: http://www.schoellmarine.com/bio_files/bio.htm Putting a sail on the front of a power boat. You can see from the boat's wake that it is hardly moving under sail power. There is zero rudder effectiveness as it drifts down wind. The sail on the bow will keep the stern pointed into the wind like a weathervane so the driver's visibility will be 100% obscured of what he is going to run into. Why would anyone have spent a penny to build something just so plain dumb? I guess the answer is that Harry Schoell got a magazine article written about his "genius"...
Cyclone seems to be Harry's final attempt to prove his critics wrong. That's what's keeping it going.
Over on the steam car board Harry once described the bearing failure he was seeing. It was a textbook lack of lubrication failure but instead of letting the data show him the water lubrication wasn't working, Harry came up with his own theory that bearings are really tiny generators and the electricity they generate was destroying the bearings.
The Ohio State University engineers put in no uncertain terms that there is no known way to make water lubrication work in the Cyclone engine. Harry, having stripped the Mark 5 of all his other inventions beyond the spider bearing, kept water lubrication. The latest Mark 1 and Mark 3 designs also rely on water lubrication working.
He's quite determined to prove the rest of the world wrong, no matter how much investor and customer money he has to waste.
Cyclone's business plan has nothing to do with building working steam engines.
In this mission he and Frankie have no problem deceiving investors and customers about engine performance and function. All those engines that completed alpha and beta testing have never had their actual performance released. Beta testing at Cyclone must mean the engine turns under its own power for a few minutes once the mechanic gives it a push.
Even if some benefactor dropped in millions and a full staff of skilled people equipped with top notch facilities Cyclone would still make no progress. Harry Schoell would see to that by demanding his theories be vindicated above all else.
Cyclone spent about $7 million total in R&D and $14 million in General and Administrative. The only place the bulk of the latter could have ended up is Schoell Marine. I expect Harry and Frankie are quite comfortable and can easily afford to indulge Harry's hobby for as long as he wants.
I expect it would be worth the hit to put CYPW behind you.
They used to state there were more than 5000 shareholders but that's now down to about 4000. Obviously those 1000 plus weren't cashing out their gains.
Hopefully those people weren't swindled out of enough money to impact their lives too much.
But Tom, these engines run on sunshine. And rainbows. And the twinkle, twinkle of little stars. Cyclone doesn't need to buy fuel to test their engines.
This whole megawatt solar generator is the most delusional thing Cyclone has ever announced. They've never shown an engine producing its rated power for a minute, even when it was only a 5 hp engine. And suddenly their new series of 1500 hp engines will fulfill that 10 year contract to supply power to a retirement home.
The land speed car only has to run for what, three minutes tops? Originally Harry claimed it would use the stock Mark 5 to prove the engine was capable of its claimed performance, then that changed into an engine without condensing (wonder why?...). He promised to post dyno results then reneged with a series of excuses. That was in 2012 - six years ago now - and the Mark 5 has still not advanced any further.
Perhaps Harry's thinking is that the Mark 5 design didn't work in the 100 hp size, hasn't worked in any smaller output sizes, so why not scale it up to 1500 hp because that's bound to work, right?
That wouldn't be any dumber than any of his other stupid ideas. Speaking of stupid Harry Schoell ideas, here's my favorite from Schoell Marine:
Yes, put a big sail at the front of a powerboat so all it does is slowly drift down wind with the operator's vision completely obscured. Flying blind, as it were. Kind of a recurrent theme in his inventions.
Notice the model has a propeller behind the sail. No doubt that was to make the boat go faster. He must have gotten his inspiration while watching scientific documentaries:
Well, Patrick certainly has his facts straight.
Frankie apparently has now moved on from Ford and GM needing $250 million to make a "small change" on a gasoline engine to Elon Musk needing $500 million to create a new car company and mass produce cars you can buy and see on the streets every day. (Hmmm, wasn't someone on this board making the same claim about Tesla a while ago?... )
Now we hear that Harry received no rent from Cyclone. Which is a complete contradiction of all the filings Cyclone has made to the SEC. More Frankie Fruge dissembling, of course. Patrick pointed out the rent went to Schoell Marine, owned, of course, by Harry Schoell. Good for him.
And, again, Frankie's only "proof" that Cyclone has working engines is those old videos on Youtube.
Funny, for a company that promised to have 1500 hp engines running by the end of this quarter she isn't able to point to any more recent successful tests.
Two months to go.
I expect the Q3 results will be filed late, or maybe not at all. First Frankie will tell the SEC they can't file on time due to delays with the auditing, then Cyclone will eventually file unaudited results. Meaning the delay wasn't due to the auditing.
In the Q2 report, Subsequent Events:
Pursuant to the binding letter of intent by an investor to provide $5 million to the company for additional development of the Cyclone Engines the Company has met all its milestones and has received $10,000 in the third quarter of 2018.
Tom, you're using common sense again. Shame on you!
Back when Harry was posting on the steam car board, when the majority there still believed him, he once claimed having tried 20 different piston designs. No doubt he was telling the truth there, and most likely was significantly underestimating the total.
But he didn't try 20 pistons, it was 20 x 6 = 120 pistons ending up in the scrap box.
Same with valves and cylinders and connecting rods and boiler tubes and pumps and on and on.
Of course you can argue there's a benefit to testing multiple parts in parallel as failures show up more rapidly. That's fine if the engines lasted thousands of running hours, but hardly needed when they fail after a few minutes at low loads.
Remember when Cyclone was claiming on their balance sheet hundreds of thousands in assets in inventory? After changing auditors a couple times they wrote that down to zero. No doubt they still have all those same failed engine parts, it's just the new auditors won't sign off on claiming they have any value.
Maybe with Harry's unbridled ego he figured his worshipers would pay top dollar for any of that scrap metal as souvenirs of his "in-genius".
In the end, though, Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge have no intention of making working steam engines. Cyclone is a means for them to indulge their whims and gratify their egos at others' expense. 14 years of paid vacation, and counting.
Hey Chuck, yes, the coming 1500 hp Cyclone engines will be a sight to behold.
The model numbers are actually Mark 5: 100 hp with two videos over the years of a minute of an engine spinning without load. The Mark 6 was proposed as 330 hp and other than the fake version in the truck chassis that Harry claimed had wonderful performance, they never actually tried to build one. The Mark 10 is the new 1500 hp version that they promise to have three of, running, before the end of this year.
The Mark 10 is just the Mark 5 with each dimension multiplied by four, e.g., 8" bore and stroke vs. 2". Displacement goes up by 4 x 4 x 4 = 64 times, but rated speed is only 900 rpm vs. 3600 rpm for the Mark 5, so the power would be 64/4 = 16 times, or 1600 hp. That's as deep as Harry Schoell's engineering acumen goes.
Using his thinking, a 400 hp truck engine is just a 25 hp lawn mower engine with each dimension multiplied by 4. The fact that each has evolved into far different construction over the last hundred years because of realities of the way the details scale has totally eluded Harry. Just like the Laws of Physics in general.
And you are certainly right about parts like bearings. Even the 100 hp Mark 5 struggles to find off the shelf parts that will work. A 1500 hp Mark 10 will need everything custom designed and manufactured. I image bearing companies would give quotes for custom hybrid ball bearings of the size needed to survive in the Mark 10, but the price may be in the ballpark of that of a new car.
There are going to be some other challenges that Harry and Frankie have obviously not told their Secret Investor about. A while ago I estimated the size of the condenser required for the exhaust steam from the Mark 10 based on their other engines. It came out to larger than the front of their building, with a fan to match.
A boiler big enough will also take up a lot of space, and will probably attract the attention of State boiler inspectors. There's not much chance of Harry Schoell's hillbilly engineering passing inspection, and there's no chance of anyone giving the pair the cash to buy a boiler built by a real boiler company.
The Mark 5 was designed around steam at 3200 psi and 1200 degrees F. With the way Harry scaled the Mark 10, it also needs steam at this pressure and temperature. This is really an extreme condition, and a manufactured boiler would need to be custom engineered, so be very, very expensive.
The trough solar collectors being proposed have zero chance of producing steam at this temperature. Cyclone has been touting running engines off solar heat since the very beginning. They've never demonstrated making any steam from a solar collector, let alone steam at 1200 F. Of course, thermal losses along the piping will be huge, so to get 1200 F at the engine the collectors must operate at much higher temperature. The amount of heat radiated from hot objects increases with the fourth power of temperature. The collection pipe at the center of the trough collector, even if in a glass vacuum tube, will radiate away so much heat that it will never be able to reach the temperatures Harry and Frankie tell investors they will achieve.
Like the whole story of Cyclone: dumb, ignorant, unteachable "old people in a small garage" confidently telling investors how well their imaginary products work and promising they will all be in production in six months. And funneling millions into the black hole called "General and Administrative" all the while.
Hybrid Bearing Challenge: another hint.
The story so far. Someone whose forte is engineering would like to educate us on how hybrid steel-ceramic ball bearings are good stuff and will make it possible to lubricate a Cyclone engine with water. They pointed to SKF bearing company and their MRC division who make such hybrid bearings.
The peak connecting rod loads in the Mark 5 engine are 10,053 pounds. The rod has a bearing at each end. We're told Cyclone is capable of fitting ball bearings on the rods.
The challenge was to pick a suitable bearing from the MRC catalog, but apparently that was still too difficult. So here's another hint:
I said earlier we would be generous and just look at the static load rating. None of these bearings is rated for the 10,053 pounds, but two of the 210S bearings side by side would give 5220 x 2 = 10,440 pounds static load capacity, assuming alignment is good.
Now for the second part of the challenge, showing they would fit in the Mark 5 engine. Outside diameter is 3.54 inches and width is 0.787 x 2 = 1.57 inches. And these would have to be fit inside a piston 2 inches in diameter. Figure that one out.
And that's just for static loading. As long as the engine didn't turn, these bearings could survive. Once the engine starts running, however, there's a whole new set of challenges.
The oscillating motion of the rod bearings, the impacts of the rods on the "spider bearing" and the lack of a lubricant are all severe duty and require substantial derating. Tom pointed out one bearing manufacturer derates life by 97% if the bearings are run in water.
As the Ohio State University engineers stated in their report:
•Little or no data exists outside Cyclone’s own experience for the use of water lubrication for either ball bearings or roller bearings in our environment and under our loadings. Calculated life using just the bearing load and the scaling factors for the viscosity of the lubricant indicate that very high ratio of load capacity to applied load is required.
Reminder: Don't out posters.
Part of the Terms of Service is that you can't reveal the identity of people posting to the board.
That said, I"m confident DinoFett is NOT Harry Schoell. Schoell is nearly illiterate and some of his posts on the steam car board looked like he typed them with his toes. Or was stoned right out of his mind.
Also, Schoell isn't subtle about his BS. He simply tells big lies. The various videos of him all show him pointing to the fake engines and claiming how great their performance is as if they were real engines.
Oh it just keeps getting better, doesn't it?
Cyclone's financial statements are now approved by the FCC -- Federal Communications Commission.
"Is there a conspiracy here?" -- Yes, Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge conspiring to defraud investors through false claims of having working engines.
"Notice how the comic book engineer had to look up the bearings." -- Yeah, don't you just hate it when engineers work with real data rather than just making things up? Harry Schoell thinks bearings are really tiny generators. He didn't look it up, so it must be true, right?
And Cyclone has still never publicly demonstrated a working engine.
December's coming. Can't wait to see those three promised Mark 10 1500 hp engines running.
Looks like the engineering challenge was too difficult. Here, let me make it easier.
So we are told that experts in engineering believe hybrid ceramic-steel ball bearings are wonderful, and will solve the water lubrication problems with the Cyclone engine. We hear that Cyclone is talking with the SKF bearing company, and their MRC division which makes hybrid bearings.
We also know that steam pressure on each piston of the Mark 5 engine produces a peak force of 10,053 pounds. So the first question is, which hybrid bearing has a static load rating of at least this much?
The MRC Engineering Handbook can be found at http://www.skf.com/binary/30-279709/M190-730_MRC_Engineering_Handbook_2015.pdf
In case looking through the catalog is still too much of a challenge, here's the relevant page:
Then the second question is to sketch the piston, connecting rod and "spider bearing" incorporating the selected hybrid bearings to scale and post the sketch showing us all how it can be done.
Let me know if this is still too difficult and I'll try to simplify the engineering challenge even more.
PS: Given the number of mentions of this board on Cyclone's Facebook page, there obviously is no shortage of readers.
Well said Tom. As a demonstration of the correctness of your conclusion, consider the WHE-DR engine that the engineers of Ohio State University designed.
Cyclone put out a PR (naturally) touting the improvements of an engine with the "spider bearing" removed:
The WHE-DR boasts several important advancements over the previous engine model, meant to decrease manufacturing costs and increase operational durability without loss of performance. For instance, the new engine replaces six cylinders with three slightly larger bore cylinders, and utilizes more robust and less complicated admittance and exhaust valving systems, and simplified rod bearing connections. Overall, the WHE-DR has approximately 60% fewer parts than the earlier version. Initial testing has demonstrated significantly smoother and quieter operation, which is expected to result in the successful completion of durability tests over the next two months.
“We are very proud of our improved engine. This is a technological and business milestone that must not be understated, as we are fast approaching our transition into phase one manufacturing with our team that we have been preparing in Ohio. For small-scale waste-to-power applications, we believe this product has enormous market potential,” stated Harry Schoell, Chairman and CTO of Cyclone.
Frankie Fruge lubrication is water and if you dint think water is a lubricant take the rubber mat out of you ceramic tub. unlike oil lubricants we don't sheer the metal and get mental in our lubricant that is one reduction in wear. maintenance will be water filter changes We have no metal to metal contact another wear factor eliminated. We have bearings that have a life cycle from SKF depending on the dury cycle those will have to be changed. electric motors again with duty cycles belts. Rotary valve a 15 minute job piston rings a 45 minute job depending on dury cycle. The engine itself only has 7 moving parts All the rest are sub systems water pumps fuel pumps ekectric motors electronic controls just the usual stuff.
Oh man, the How It's Made video as proof. For those who haven't seen it, have a look:
Man, you're good Chuck.
Looks like the rats are trying to keep the sinking ship afloat. It must mean they haven't found new suckers for their compost scheme and it's time to print stock.
Chris Nelson rode CYPW down from $0.35 to $0.0010 before he rebooted with QPWR, so he's still got a lot of dilution to go before he's done here.
If those two had actually wanted to be in the compost business, years ago they would have leased some land and started charging tipping fees for taking sewer sludge. They could have been profitable within six months and have had a significant business by now.
But, of course, that would have involved honest work. Much easier to peddle stock in a company that will never exist other than on paper.
Cyclone has something, alright, a proven formula for swindling investors and staying out of jail.
As for technology, not so much.
Here are a couple slides from the 2011 Shareholder Open House from the presentation on file at the SEC
Yep, it's almost seven years ago now that Harry Schoell looked investors in the eyes and told them all the technological problems had been overcome.
And of all the "critical" tasks on this chart, the only ones ever completed were a delivery of a prototype to the Army (and never disclosing what the actual performance of the unit was) and delivery of two "MR-36" prototypes to Raytheon (stripped-down, derated versions of the Mark 5). Neither of these customers came back for more, nor is there any indication they ever ran their Cyclone engines after receiving them.
The first task they confidently predicted in December 2011 was delivery of engines to Phoenix Power. Phoenix is still waiting. The last video of the Mark 5 showed a pathetic thing that couldn't even spin at constant speed with no load on it.
How could Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge have been so completely wrong in what they told investors? How could they have made a continuous stream of claims since then that engine production would start in six months and with each claim proven wrong, make a new claim that engine production would start in the next six months? How is it that here we are seven years later with not only no engines in production, nor any engines publicly demonstrated as working, yet a new promise that 1500 hp Mark 10 engines are going to be completed by the end of this year? And how is it that Harry Schoell and Frankie Fruge have not provided a single reason why they have failed to meet all those promises to shareholders?
The short answer is that they've been lying. They know the engines don't work and that they haven't a clue as to how to make them work. In fact, Harry Schoell isn't even trying to make engines that work. The engineers at Ohio State University demonstrated how the "spider bearing" was causing rapid engine failure and they designed it out. That failure mode stopped, but then water lubrication became the show stopper that they couldn't solve. Schoell is still trying to make his "spider bearing" and water lubrication work even though in 14 years and tens of millions of investors' money squandered, he still hasn't been able to make a steam engine run for 10 hours without self destructing.
Apparently the two are now telling people the Cyclone engine is wonderful because it doesn't use bushings (aka plain bearings), even though their own patents show the engines use lots of plain bearings.
The last 10Q showed that recent money they've received from the Secret Investor has preferentially been spent on paying related-party debts while all other debts are in default. The related parties? Why Harry and Frankie, of course.
Hey Chuck, I'm actually quite curious about Cyclone "technology". The "spider bearing" patent calls item number 36, the bushings in the end of each connecting rod, a "bearing ring". Yet we're told to read the patent, and that Cyclone engines are superior because they don't use bushings like car engines do.
Notwithstanding the fact that it's unusual for car engines to require bearing replacement in under 200,000 miles.
And here it is October 1st already. Those three 1500 hp Mark 10 engines are to be completed before the end of this year, we are told. I wonder what the excuses will be when that doesn't happen.
No bushings in a Cyclone engine? Have a look at the "spider bearing" patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7900454
Each connecting rod has two:
In the descripton:
Additionally, a shoe bearing 37 is placed between the outer surface 38 of link 32 and the piston 14 to provide a double-backed bearing at the linkage of the connecting rod 30 to the piston 14. As shown in FIG. 2, each connecting rod 30 connects to the spider bearing 40. More specifically, the inner circular surface 34 of the connecting rod link 32 is fitted with a bearing ring 36 for engagement about wrist pin 42 attached to the spider bearing 40 within a round cavity 41. In a preferred embodiment, the spider bearing 40 is formed of a bearing material which surrounds the outer surface 38 of the connecting rod link 32, thereby providing a double-backed bearing to carry the piston load.
Yep, 400 mph, here's the link: https://archive.org/details/Racecar_Engineering_2013_02/page/n19
Team Steam driver Nelson Hoyos hopes that he will be the man to take the steam driven land speed record from the British, who claimed it in 2009, back to the USA with a 200mph run, and intends to extend that to 400mph by the end of 2013.
The car will be pushed to 60mph before the engine will kick in and drive the car up to 200mph in the first quarter of 2013, if all goes according to plan.
Following that, the team intends to go faster, and has a target of first 300mph, and then 400, although they realise that significant car modifications would be necessary to hit this target-
The team has another engine in the workshop, an increase in capacity to to 3-litres, produces 2650ft/lbs of torque and can take the car beyond 400mph.
The plan is to hit 200mph, before prepping the car for a 250mph run at Bonneville salt flats in the summer, The new engine will then be fitted with a target of 400mph, nearly three times the current speed. The goal is to be above 300mph with it and if we can go 400, that would be super but that will be a challenge,' says Hoyos, 'Once you go a little faster, everything becomes exponentially harder.
'Although we have the power to go 400, it would take more time.
3-1/2 year update.
From the PR of Feb. 24, 2015:
The Combilift Engines for our customer in Ireland is on its final testing on the dyno and will be ready for shipping when the testing is completed
Cyclone has just received the pre-production parts for 10 Mark 1 Engines and they are in the process of being assembled. Once the components are assembled they will go through a stringent testing process. Thereafter they will be shipped to licensees and OEMs to be integrated into various systems.
As Cyclone enters the final stages of testing of its products we believe that the timing is appropriate to introduce this expertise to take the company into the next growth phase.
The LSR car is still an ongoing project for Cyclone
As a final note, Cyclone is pleased to see that the business model of WHE Generation which is now called Q2Power Corp. and our licensee Phoenix Power Group is progressing as planned with the testing in Ohio.
Funny, real engineers know the importance of precision in communicating data. A single incorrect character is not trivial.
Lower viscosity lubricant allows for higher rated bearing speeds. Yes. But let's look at what's happening in a Cyclone engine.
The last video of the Mark 3 engine spinning for a minute with no load showed the tachometer was ranging from about 1500 to 2000 rpm. (Apparently with little control; Harry was swinging the valve lever left and right and the engine wasn't responding in proportion. The video is at https://www.facebook.com/CyclonePowerTechnologies/videos/vb.212306672134739/1854997644532292/?type=2&theater)
Let's suppose the crankshaft bearings ride on MRC 206S hybrid bearings. Rated speed is 12000 rpm with grease and 15600 rpm with oil lubrication. If water had the lubricating properties of oil at a much lower viscosity, the rated speed would be even higher.
But,
1) Water doesn't have the lubricating properties of oil.
2) Even if it did, the extra speed capability would never be used so this is no benefit.
3) If water lubricated hybrid bearings could be made to work in a Cyclone engine, Cyclone would have demonstrated that in the last decade. Not to mention the fact that the engineers at Ohio State University would not have recommended a bearing research program as the next step in making the engines work if they believed water lubricated hybrid bearings would give acceptable life.
And then we have this classic from Frankie on Facebook:
Frankie Fruge lubrication is water and if you dint think water is a lubricant take the rubber mat out of you ceramic tub. unlike oil lubricants we don't sheer the metal and get mental in our lubricant that is one reduction in wear. maintenance will be water filter changes We have no metal to metal contact another wear factor eliminated. We have bearings that have a life cycle from SKF depending on the dury cycle those will have to be changed. electric motors again with duty cycles belts. Rotary valve a 15 minute job piston rings a 45 minute job depending on dury cycle. The engine itself only has 7 moving parts All the rest are sub systems water pumps fuel pumps ekectric motors electronic controls just the usual stuff.
Here's a quote from Harry Schoell on the steam car board from 2008:
https://steamautomobile.com:8443/ForuM/read.php?1,11677,12195#msg-12195
HI Guys
We make our own bearings the roller type are ceramic. and just a note water is a better lube than oil as it doesnot break down. The problem is that oil is an electrical insulater where water is a conducter. What happens in metal bearings is they act as a small generator and cause a metal to metal atomic attraction hence gualing. Composits and ceramics do not have this problem and they roll so sweetly. Of course any contaminates do not work well with anything. A total closed loop system with out contaminates is by far the best. The ceramic bearings can live 7 to 10 times longer than a steal bearing.
Harry
On water lubrication of Cyclone engines...
If Cyclone has made water lubrication work, then why have they not publicly demonstrated any of their engines working with water lubrication?
Why haven't we seen that expensive custom speedboat in the water being pushed around by a water-lubricated Cyclone engine?
Here's the link to the OSU presentation so everyone can read it for themselves: https://web.archive.org/web/20150923212126/http://www.cyclonepower.com/2014/IAASP_Presentation_OSU-CAR_Cyclone_March-8-2014.pdf
Page 19:
Quote:EXAMPLE OF CRITICAL PATH ISSUE: BEARING ANALYSIS
•WHE engine uses a closed loop steam system and the exhaust steam is ported through the crankcase.
•Consequently the bearings cannot be lubricated using normal pressurized oil lubrication.
•Modelica and Solidworks have been utilized to define the range of pressure loads and dynamic loads on the bearings
•A combination of testing and additional analysis will be used to develop a robust bearing and lubrication scheme for the Gen 1 Production Engine
Page 30:
Quote:BEARING ANALYSIS
•Little or no data exists outside Cyclone’s own experience for the use of water lubrication for either ball bearings or roller bearings in our environment and under our loadings. Calculated life using just the bearing load and the scaling factors for the viscosity of the lubricant indicate that very high ratio of load capacity to applied load is required.
•Minimal data exists for the use of water lubricated polymer journal bearings in our environment and under our loadings. Factors of a 4:1 increase in life have been shown with submerged operation, but little long term wear data is available with pressurized water lubrication.
•For long term durability, we will need to test bearings and bushings under different lubrication schemes and determine to what extent the lubrication can extend the life of the bearing. Test data will be used to complement bearing analysis and will be used to determine accelerated testing factors.
Page 32:
Quote:TEST PROCEDURE: BEARINGS
•Initial checks
–Check all safeties work
–Check all sensors read properly
•Shakedown
–Run startup procedure
–Check basic operation and functionality
–Run shutdown procedure
•Core testing (250 hrs)
–Run extended period at expected engine loads and environment
–Repair/replace failures up to 250 hrs
–Make improvements or design changes if no bearing survives 250 hrs
•Stage 2 testing (2500 hrs)
–Assess wear and expected life (make improvements if required)
–Run extended testing to validate expected life
•Stage 3 testing (beyond 2500 hrs)
–Validate expanded operating ranges (load, speed, etc.)
–Validate any design improvements
Cyclone stopped paying the bills about then and the bearing test machine was never built.
So, what did OSU say?
1) Bearings were the "critical path", meaning they were preventing the engine from meeting its run time requirements.
2) Cyclone data showed no bearing combinations they ever tried were able to give acceptable life.
3) OSU engineers determined that the next necessary steps were to build a bearing test machine and develop new bearing designs.
4) They only got as far as planning bearing experiments and one of their steps was "–Make improvements or design changes if no bearing survives 250 hrs".
They knew of no water lubricated bearings that would survive for 250 hours (and we know from the FSDS contract that Cyclone can't make water lubricated bearings survive for 10 hours, unless, of course, its a different fatal design flaw in the Cyclone engine causing its rapid failures).
So, yes, OSU engineers concluded there were no known water lubricated bearings that would work.
Please do your homework. SKF, NRC, and a few others make these. I could go into detail but...
Please tell us "how far they have come on so little"?
Other than destroying $65 million in investor wealth, what have they actually accomplished?
Could you post links to videos of Cyclone engines powering something, you know, which is the whole purpose of an engine?
How about third-party testing results on Cyclone engines?
Cyclone has been promoting their engines for producing solar electricity for more than a decade now. Could you give us a link to a video of a Cyclone engine producing electricity from solar heat?
Here's a page from their 2011 Shareholder Open House on file at the SEC https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1442711/000139843211000968/exh99_1.htm
As Harry Schoell had told investors they had overcome all those "technological hurdles" in 2011, can you explain why in the seven years since that they haven't been able to make an engine run under load for just 10 hours?
How about a video of a Cyclone engine running under its full advertised power, with independent witnesses and a calibrated dynamometer, for several hours? Youtube allows videos of several hours, so that's not the reason Cyclone won't post more than a minute of an engine spinning with no load.
So please share with us, just what is the "something" that Cyclone has?