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ditto
The Bird of Prey
Glad I could please.
I have always kind of liked January myself and not just because of the 13th! Weather here is usually nice, Wife is planning a BBQ for Sunday. We have the playoffs and usually the Super bowl falls in January. Basketball season starts getting serious. And if the day *is* too cold, dreary and wet...trashy novels are good, sometimes even a history book will suffice!
I hear some of my friends and associates have "special" plans for Sunday. I will be turning 42 and have too many Douglas Adams fans among that group to let this birthday go by "unencumbered"!
I intend to simply sit back and soak up all the attention!
The Bird of Prey
Been suggested, And even acted on. Trouble was nobody went to it so she continued harrassing on the usual boards anyway. The only side benefit was that it became a good place for all of her opponents to gather and return the favor. Led to much strife and conflict. Matt had to suspend her (I think a couple of others as well), remove her from thread admin and take over the thread himself. Don't remember what it was called or if it's still available.
The Bird of Prey
This piqued my interest
100+ to 1, and the one was always an "angel" that never stepped out of line. Chances of that are pretty slim indeed. Even the hardiest of egos with lash out when face with that kind of onslaught. Look at some of the minority responses when faced with a just a few opponents here at IHUB. Granted the original "offense" may have been "lying about the company" but I am sure I am not alone in disbelieving the innocence of the naysayers as regards TOU.
However, in your second paragraph you reveal the real reason for the departure of the multitude. You committed the unforgivable sin for an administrator. You decided who was "right" and who was "wrong". Your decisions on suspensions therefore became tainted by the rightness or wrongness of the users opinion and you allowed those you deemed "correct" to slide on violations of the TOU while holding those deemed "wrong" to a very strict standard.
An Admin *must* remain neutral on the issue of right and wrong except as defined by the TOU. then regardless of a users position on an issue the TOU will be fairly and justly enforced.
On another note...
I am somewhat peeved by this notion that megalomaniacal moderators are a "widespread problem" here at IHUB. It is simply not true and is a slap in the face not only to the many hardworking honest moderators here but to Matt as well (Matt is also hardworking and honest).
I think this illusion of IHUB being "Touter's Heaven" because it uses moderators for individual boards is ludicrous. What I find even more troubling though is although those who oppose a "promoter" moderating a board, they seem to fully support the idea of a basher having a moderators position. That is a double standard.
Are there "promoters" here at IHUB? Sure, and they are at all of the other message sites too. So are bashers.
You were responding to this question:
>>What's the easiest thing to do? Get rid of the one person, doesn't matter who's right or wrong.
A proper admin would be correct in removing the "one" if the "one" violated the TOU, regardless of whether the "one" was right or wrong. The minute the Admin begins deciding enforcement issues based on who is right or wrong, or who is an asset or potential asset to the community, he ceases to be a admin and becomes a very powerful user, a dictator, deciding what is right or wrong for everyone.
The folks that started IHUB wanted to get away from that. It is an easy trap to fall into, Let's all hope Matt can avoid it. In fact let's all do our best to help that trap from springing.
Matt has stated he is embarking on a new, stricter, more consistent enforcement policy. Let's see if that makes a difference in how IHUB is perceived before we go overhauling it's structure.
The Bird of Prey
Old habit of mine.
Change one word of a famous phrase. In this case "minds full of mush" Mush is replaced with muss as in to muss one's hair, rendering it unruly.
The Bird of Prey
There is nothing like exposing young minds full of muss to the joy of reading. Perhaps as yours get more mature they will explore the Redwall series on their own.
Terrible things, books. That's where ideas come from! - Anonymous villian
The Bird of Prey
Matt...
On what planet do three days equal one week?
I am appalled.
At least joe showed some remorse before you released him.
The Bird of Prey
Marcos,
You know what? You're right. I've been way to hard on Mary. She doesn't deserve it. She really is a nice person and deserves preferential treatment. In fact all SI posse members should get special treatment!
Some folks might read my comment about the F2F the way you chose to do. Others might read it that she said some things so offensive that my friends wished to step forward to defend my honor. I suppose it all comes down to perspective and people just seeing what they want to see.
Good luck to you all and good day.
BTW, read this.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=240858
feel better now?
The Bird of Prey
Frank,
For some relief I suggest you try this thread. I think you might find more than a couple of kindred spirits there.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=924
Tell everyone I said have a great night (i'm too young to post there) I'll check in with them tomorrow.
Tonight's menu...
Sloppy Jose's (mexican style sloppy joe's)
The Bird of Prey
>>The originator of a thread on ihub can remove a message from the readable list, and where Matt finalizes whether it is removed for good or not, many times it will be the equivalent of a tree falling in the woods. The conversation will have already moved beyond that point so the message will not be heard.
While this can happen on some fast moving boards it is not always the case. However, how about this for a solution. When Matt restores a post it is reinserted at the top of the queue as if it was just made? This would remove the possibility of the all important piece of information never being heard.
The Bird of Prey
I think that's between you and Matt. From this perspective that looks to be about the right distance.
The Bird of Prey
>>This would require the research reports to be listed by alphabetical order
By title or by author?
I suggest author, Matt's not likely to accept AAAjoemoney or AAAAMMMARY or AAAAABird of Prey as usernames!
The Bird of Prey
Now that's a sharp idea!
(must be why you're the admin)
Only need one question answered. How do you keep someone from spamming the reports section in a effort to dominate? regardless of positive or negative? Also, the only constant in the universe is change, so there would have to be a means of updating a report to reflect the current situation.
My solution would be one report per user per ticker. Unlimted editing capability(time frame) but editing would not move report to the top of the list.
The Bird of Prey
Brings to mind the old saying about "birds of a feather"!
The Bird of Prey
I agree
Properly managed (Matt's job) it might encourage more to post.
I suggest a limit of 4 or 5 to a ticker, since all boards are moderated, try this arrangement:
XXX plus side
XXX down side
XXX off topic
XXX Filings, News and PR's
XXX whatever area I didn't cover that someone wants a thread for.
It might even make it easier to spot an unruly user. Posts not specific to the board's theme would be subject to deletion. If the Mods are strict in their enforcement the F,N&PR threads won't likely end up on the hot list and it might make the IHUB 10Kwiz setup easier (read less expensive) to code in the end.
The Bird of Prey
As I understand it that is widely regarded as the corniest pun of all time. Believe me though after a suitable recovery period I'll be submitting some of it's rivals.
Near where I grew up a local city was famous for it's sweet corn. At harvest they would hold a great festival. My high school band would spend two days and nights shucking corn to raise money for the band. In order to stay awake all night, the band started a tradition called the "corny joke festival".
Never was a group more glad to see a senior graduate than the poor band members that endured three years of some of the most horrendously funny puns imaginable. Now it's your turn.
;>)
The Bird of Prey
I'm baffled too!
But if you got in at the bottom you might be smiling right now.
;>)
The Bird of Prey
Those were great Chas!
As a lover of good(bad?) puns I offer the following:
A group of archaeologists decided they would become famous by locating the burial place of Ludwig Von Beethoven. After much research they narrowed their search and set out into the field to confirm their findings. Finally on the last day of their exploration they entered a dark cave. As they pressed forward they noticed a light at the far end of the cave. Procceeding onward they were soon able to determine that the light was a candle on a desk at which a man was busily erasing sheets of music. They rushed up to the man and promptly asked him, "Who are you and what are you doing here?"
He rose and replied,
"I am Ludwig Von Beethoven...and I am decomposing."
The Bird of Prey
As I recall you were hammering everything in sight. I sent the following to "tweak" you a bit. As usual you opened with some of that sparkling reparte' of yours.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=158330
I guess that could qualify as "starting it". At least in your mind. And is the only thing that is important here isn't it.
Have a nice evening.
I'm makin' waffles!
The Bird of Prey
Glad to know you are an expert in the perceptive abilities of sane people. Of course you are covered in that anyone that disagrees with you is automatically insane.
I started this?
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=240185
Many sane people would say this reeeks of someone sticking his nose into other peoples business eh?
The Bird of Prey
Sara, I do believe we have just been accused of securities fraud. That's pretty defamatory in most everyone's book. I guess we'll have to ask for some evidence to back that statement up or a retraction.
But who am I kidding, this is standard MMMARY and SI posse tactics.
BTW, I am seriously changing the Posse's name to something slightly more accuarate... are you familar with the joke about the cowboy who, when captured by Indians sends his horse to get help?
The Bird of Prey
If it was so easy, then by all means present them. The way you put it there must be hundreds of such posts, so I'll be satisfied with just the first couple dozen. Again I remind you that the name I posted is part of an alias used on another board. At the time it was considered fair game, a deletion request was denied. I am sure that my most recent use was also requested to be deleted and denied as well. Last time I checked you weren't admin here. If you were I would no doubt have to abide by a different set of rules or post elswhere.
You've been pretty free with defamatory statements yourself. Can dish it out but don't like taking it? It's a 2d flame war! What did you expect? flowers? candy? a loaf of bread and a jug of wine?
Everyone of your "friends" says you are such a smart and sensitive man. I have read you at SI and IHUB, yet see little evidence of anything beyond a street brawler looking for another fight. You came to me, got punched in the mouth and now you want to whine about it. Tough.
You're the one walking around with a chip on your shoulder. Don't cry foul when someone knocks it off for you.
Oh and BTW,
thank you for playing
The Bird of Prey
Excuse me?
Where have I ever said that I thought distributing personal information was OK? Other than releasing one's own information as one sees fit, there is no reason acceptable for releasing personal information.
As I recall I have never released anyone's personal information anywhere at anytime. If you wish to call the use of an alias used by the individual on another message board as sacrosanct and under the protection of "private information", I'll have to plead guilty. but I believe that could cause admin a number of problem when he has to suspend anyone that calls anyone (even themsleves) by an alias used elswhere.
As for your real sore point, My "bringing up family" in an attack. I certainly did reference a parental failure to properly discipline you as a child as explanation for your petulant presentation of your position. I suppose that qualifies as violating your attempt at limiting how someone expresses themselves.
Besides, I didn't say you couldn't use profanity. Go right ahead! Spew all of the filth you want. It does demonstrate with great accuracy the limits of your vocabulary as well as your emotional stability.
OLT,
A man's got to know his limitations. - "Dirty" Harry Callahan
The Bird of Prey
I find it difficult
to disagree on this comment. Given the no holds barred nature of the parking lot it is far too easy for someone unprepared for real warfare to come away with hurt feelings and want to seek revenge at any cost. Stalking other users about, looking for an opening to "get even" can become an obssession for some folks. It could even lead to a response that is somewhat "over the top" in an attempt to "win" instead of merely getting even. For example post 10 or 12 peoples names, addresses and financial information all over the internet just because someone used a name from one of your aliases that you now claim is your real last name.
Anytime it becomes this obsessive it's time to change things drastically.
So, after a few PM's it comes down to this who is leaving IHUB? you? or a whole bunch of other people?
The Bird of Prey
Very interesting...
so if...in the mind of the recipient, a comment is sufficiently vile, then any response no matter how vile to the original sender is appropriate?
Nothing was left out and a link was included to reference the entire message. No attempt to decieve.
Further, the only "information" I have posted concerning her has been contained in one of her many aliases. I have no idea if it is her real name beyond the obvious reaction one gets when using it. I have never posted her address, telephone number or financial information. A claim she is unable to make regarding a number of people.
Additionally, Her comment could be read as anyone posting her information will result in a number of individuals information being spread across the web.
I have done the search you requested, however you ignore the fact that MANY IHUB users arrived with "baggage" from RB, Yahoo and SI. It is my understanding that nearly everything that has been posted by someone here has been revealed by mary herself several times on several boards.
As you may be aware, Mary has a taste for flaming people. I am the guy that gets asked to deal with folks too fond of flaming. As you have experienced, I look for a sore spot or pet peeve if you will and exploit it to give the flamer a taste of their own medicine. Most don't respond very well, but it does give admin an idea about the flamers real personality. Allows them to make a better decision about the flamers continued contribution to the communtiy.
Hopefully you already know that my sore spot is profanity. Luckily for me using profanity gets folks in trouble with most admins.
Mary's sore spot is equally clear and eminently more exploitable, as is yours.
But it is nice to know where you stand on the issue of publicly releasing information across the internet.
The Bird of Prey
Just one question...
Do you guys have a problem with real, bona fide threats?
I have a feeling that all the personal information of those individuals will end up all over the internet, just not on ihub.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=242011
Or just the depends on your perspective allegedly veiled kind?
The Bird of Prey
Ah well, Tis a lonely life, never really fit in to most attempts to pigeonhole me anyway. Rest assured I will lurk your thread, should it ever exist , never know what this young whippersnapper might learn from the senior circuit.
The Bird of Prey
Well, that lets me out! I was but a wee lad during the Nixon/Kennedy election. But I might have something to add to the Old Timers club anyway.
If you remember when Rich DeVos was just a soap salesman, you might be an old timer.
The Bird of Prey
My reading preferences are kind of like my music preferences...all over the map. But I tend to like things that aren't depressing views of anything.
BTW, it is not exceptionally weird for a man in his sixties to father a child. Not on my list of things to do though. Raising two kids was enough for me!
The Bird of Prey
Yeah, I just picked up "Desecration" the latest in the Left Behind series. Haven't read Franzen before either, maybe he's not worth my time?
I think you're gonna be just fine after finishing Solomon.
As for sleeping better...
I am reminded of the Al Pacino line from the third Godfather movie.
"Just when you think you're out...they pull you back in!"
But I really am going to make a go of it this time.
The Bird of Prey
My weekend was quiet. just like I like it. Finished Robert Ludlum's "The Sigma Protocol" and got a few things fixed around the house.
I'll probably catch Vanilla Sky on DVD. Rumor has it that I get an encore of LOTR on my birthday Sunday.
On another note...read your post on Jailhouse. I agree, I've said my piece. What ever happens, happens.
The Bird of Prey
Yeah, you're probably right. Besides if you get too tough on her the SI posse will come riding in to rescue her.
The Bird of Prey
Actually I took you to task for style more than substance. a reread of our exchange on ASTN reveals that we agreed that the toxic funding was detrimental. The way I put though, was to present the information staight without "extra" commentary. As a result the other board members read what I had to say and acted as they saw fit. I have no idea if the held, sold or bought more. And I don't need to know what they did. Doesn't matter, it's not my money it's theirs.
Your approach was agressive and confrontational from the start. Anyone that didn't jump on the negative bandwagon immediately was either stupid or "in" on the scam. As can be expected this tends to rile folks up and arguments ensue. Your response was childish. You sent Matt a TOS report for everything anyone posted to the board. The only rational response to such behavior is to ignore it completely. You then followed with more childish behavior by attacking everyone for "any silly thing I could think of". Very mature and intellegent response!
Matt had to suspend you at that point. And you immediately cried foul because no one else was suspended for doing (in your opinion) the same thing.
Even now you call for Matt to suspend all of your opponents. Even me. Though we may not have violated the rule that Matt used to lock you up.
Try reading what you post from our point of view. How would you respond?
Again, Matt believes you can change and be an asset to this community. CAN you? Or are you still hell bent for leather that this community must change to fit YOU?
You are not being asked to promnote companies you feel are inapprpriate investments. You ARE being asked to RESPECT the community you have choose to interact with. If you can you will eventually earn a place of respect here. It will take a while because so many have been touched by your unacceptable behavior for so long. But if you are sincere and do make the effort to respect ALL of your opponents you can and will earn a place in this community. It may not be as prominent as you would like, and then again it might be. But if you continue to refuse to work with us, Matt will have no choice but to exile you from the community.
It is a monumantal task before you. I know you have the ego to tackle it. do you have the intestinal fortitude?
The Bird of Prey
So which catagory do you put me in...
pump and dump or pump and dump.
BTW, I've read most everything you've written that hasn't been deleted. Not once could I describe your tone as "extremely polite". There have been a couple that were "almost polite" but that is being generous at best.
I am beginning to think that the root of your problem with Sara is Jealousy though. You wish you could get people to respond to you the way they do to her. In your eyes, we should respect you because you're beautiful and smart (your opinion, not mine). Too bad you never learned that to get respect you have to give it. Sure there will be those that "dis" you anyway, but in the end those that truly matter will respect you.
Matt thinks you still can right your ship and turn things around and eventually earn the respect you crave.
I think that if it is possible, you won't be willing to do the work it will require to achieve that goal.
Do you accept the challenge? Or would you rather continue to wallow in your self created pigsty until even Matt throws in the towel?
Hey Matt,
Do you extend sentences for continuing to personal attack while in the jailhouse?
The Bird of Prey
Ignorant, stupid and with a total lack of integrity really isn't something to be proud of and certainly not something for which you should continue to aspire.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=158638
BTW, you couldn't be more wrong...I LOVE WOMEN! I have no idea where we would be without them! If it weren't for women we'd all be homosexuals. :>)
The Bird of Prey
Marcos, JXM and CH,
You know what? You're right. I've been way to hard on Mary. She doesn't deserve it. She really is a nice person and deserves preferential treatment. In fact all SI posse members should get special treatment!
Some folks might read my comment about the F2F the way you chose to do. Others might read it that she said some things so offensive that my friends wished to step forward to defend my honor. I suppose it all comes down to perspective and people just seeing what they want to see.
Good luck to you all and good day.
BTW, read this.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=240858
The Bird of Prey
Been done before, the last time a few misguided soles (pun intended) tried to overturn the moderated board scenario.
For reference see EGADS.
The Bird of Prey
Bob, you are.
Each instruction executed is an electrical signal transmitted accross a distance. Just like an extension cord will get warm if you try and push to much through it, the pathways on a chip heat up as more clockcycles get used.
Intel and AMD both include built in thermometers with the chips. there are several shareware and freeware programs that can access this (and the one on the MB too). Get one and you can see for yourself.
Also, the P4 hasn't been released in a multi cpu version yet. Intell doesn't want to cut into the 2.2 gig sales by allowing you to buy and setup dual 1.9's just yet!
The Bird of Prey
NW, Muell, xxray,
I can't think of a better way to "pick on" MMMARY than to praise Sara. Your posts should be good for at least a 10 point increase in her blood pressure.
Sara, I know you need some uplifting right now. Just don't let all this praise go to your head! ;>)
The Bird of Prey
Nothing like jumping in with both feet. I've been following Intel for a number of years now mostly because my first rule of investing is to buy what you know. I have always used Intel in my machines and probably always will.
The commments here concerning AMD vs Intel though are what leads me to weigh in on the subject. Though not a majority of users are experimenting with overclocking (making the CPU operate faster that it's rated speed), there is a vast amount of debate over which chipmaker is better for abusing this way.
Issue number one. AMD is easier to overclock because (until recently) they did not lock the multiplier on the chip. Intel PII's were dificult to OC because the cache was separated from the CPU and the heat generated could not easily be dispersed. Since the PIII the multipler has been locked. Even since AMD started locking the multiplier it's been easy to defeat and ramp up the performance, however this brings us to issue number two.
Issue number 2. Heat. Even at rated speed the CPU generates a lot of heat. AMD chips run significantly hotter than Intel's at rated speed. This limits what you can do in the way of overclocking without getting into some very expensive cooling solutions. One manufacturer actually builds a case for OC'd AMD with an Air Conditioner cooling the chip well below ambient room temperature.
Personally I like Intel chip because I can OC them reasonably without additional expense.
Contrary to popular belief, you can notice a difference with a 20% increase in CPU speed. Granted it's not a big difference, but it is detectable.
As for cost savings, what is the cost of a dual cpu board for PIII vs a new P4 top of the line setup? about half. OC to just past a gig each and you have very nearly P4 performance.
I don't recommend this for everyone, And certainly not with a mission critical machine. But I've been running a PIII/700 OC to 840 for almost six months now...and it actually runs more stable than it did at 700!!!
Anyway, it is good to have competition...keeps you on your toes.
The Bird of Prey