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Chabojilo

10/05/13 11:23 AM

#15613 RE: go seek #15594

go seek, the question doubters pose is "Why approve something that has yet to show efficacy in patient outcomes?"

That is not entirely true as we have the JELIS trial as an example where benefit has been documented. One may argue whether or not those benefits are important or significant, but in the end, EPA and statin did show synergy over statin alone.

Another point people miss is about the reduction in cardio-risk markers. They say 'Well, Niaspan reduces markers and it didn't show clear outcome benefit.'

Not only does EPA show marker reduction, in the literature, it shows that it gets into our cardiovascular tissues and improves their stability and lowers their inflammation. Niacin doesn't do this, it is not an integral part of our inflammation pathway as is EPA. EPA gets into plaques almost immediately.

In Type II Diabetes Mellitus patients, EPA reduces Carotid Intima-Media thickness

It induces rapid regression of atherosclerosis

It reverses the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis

It went head to head against another marker lowering drug, Zetia, and outperformed it in MACE and vessel improvement

So many studies show that EPA benefits atherosclerosis, it would be the height of foolishness to delay approval based on all the science that is out there that leads one to believe that it will show great therapeutic benefit for patients. It would do more harm to delay approval than to approve.


Sudan IV staining to show the build up of fatty lesions in mice fed a western type diet of high fat/cholesterol vs one with a western diet AND EPA.
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linhdtu

10/05/13 1:52 PM

#15624 RE: go seek #15594

Bruce, you are too much of a worry wart :)

First I separate ADcom from approval decision.

When the briefing doc comes out 2 days before the Adcom event, we'll have an idea of the FDA thinking.
Until then, I'll go with the common understanding that Adcoms are for safety and efficacy. Is V safe ? Does V reduce trig levels between 200 and 500 ?
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DD:A lot of cardiologists no longer believe that surrogate endpoints (such as triglycerides, HDL, etc.) predict risk of CV events. Waiting for results of REDUCE-IT seems like a kneejerk kind of response to the question. All told, I expect the panel to be positive, but not unanimous.
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It is a very good point. However, let's compare CV and diabetes. I have been very lucky with diabetes and made serious $ with amy and mnkd.
The current marker for DM is HbAc1. If your drug shows it can reduce Ac1 then you get approved even with some safety issues, whether real or not.
However I can apply the same argument against the Ac1 marker. It looks like more and more that keeping Ac1 below certain levels is not enough. People are still going blind, get kidney failures etc.. Those complications could be caused by lack of compliance as injections many times a day are a pain or as the evidence is accumulating over the years that the real damage is from the postprandial glucose spike and that most of the current medication available does very little to correct the situation.
Hence the incentive for the Ultra Fast Insulin generation of DM drugs which mimics better the action of a normal pancreas.

The only reason I can think of the FDA not following a positive Adcom recommendation is that it believes that reducing trig levels between 200-500 is completely useless medically and thus a waste of money and effort. I don't see that happening .

BTW, I value DD opinions too. But not about everything :). He has missed out on quite few that went parabolic. But I never argue with him when it comes to HIV stuff.

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jessellivermore

10/06/13 6:55 AM

#15654 RE: go seek #15594

Hi Bruce..

You, Dew and I have a lot of history. I have the upmost respect for Dew and think he is one of the most knowledgeable, and wise people I know in biotechs..That said, none of us get it right all the time..

DD... "The real question is what the FDA will do. They don't have to follow the panel."...

JL..This is an absolute fact..This could play out either positively or negatively..IMO More likely to help AMRN than to impede them..

DD..."A lot of cardiologists no longer believe that surrogate endpoints (such as triglycerides, HDL, etc.) predict risk of CV events."

JL..The concern as Dew mentions is that the FDA may want to hold out for the CarFax (REDUCE-IT results)...The realities here is that talk is cheap..These cardiologist talk about "Keeping it Real" with outcomes, but in the clinic is a different story...It's all about the lab values...How else could we have the enormous statin trade...Malpractice lawyers call the shots in clinical medicine, and they focus on lab values..so if you are over 50 and go in for an annual bet your money the doctor will be running a lipid profile. That seems to be the FDA attitude also..

So no big argument with Dew...just think considering the SPA, and the once modification (REDUCE-IT) combined with V's safety profile, most likely the FDA grants the sNDA in Dec...

":>) JL
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BioChica

10/06/13 8:03 AM

#15659 RE: go seek #15594

How many Cardiologists will be voting on this committee?

DD:A lot of cardiologists no longer believe that surrogate endpoints (such as triglycerides, HDL, etc.) predict risk of CV events. Waiting for results of REDUCE-IT seems like a kneejerk kind of response to the question. All told, I expect the panel to be positive, but not unanimous.

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alternatepatel

10/06/13 9:08 AM

#15660 RE: go seek #15594

who is DD? please enlighten.

TIA
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wmjenkins3938

10/06/13 12:29 PM

#15671 RE: go seek #15594

He can't be that smart if he doesn't even consider SPA and puts so much emphasis on cardiologists that weren't even invited