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Cassandra

04/09/03 4:46 PM

#22367 RE: Mattu #22365

Thanks for clarifying. If they want to have something like an "EDIG lovers" board, so be it. I hope that it would be clear that it is a censored board. I would not want to be part of that kind of board anyway.

However, I can virtually assure you that if they had to pay a buck or two a month for the privilege of a board they could censor at will, you'd get few if any takers. Most of the EDIGers are freebie grandfathered status. At least one criticises me on RB because I was "desperate" enough to pay for a membership.

If you do it without charging for it, I hope the ad revenue will support the cost.
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Churak

04/09/03 5:19 PM

#22368 RE: Mattu #22365

Well said...eom
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chwdrhed

04/09/03 5:33 PM

#22369 RE: Mattu #22365

I think the issue centers around the difference between public and private.

If I invite a number of friends to the park to talk about something or other and an uninvited person wanders over into our group I'm going to have a hard time finding someone to remove them from the park. On the other hand, if I invite my friends to my house I certainly have the right to remove those I don't want.

In my mind these boards are like public parks. Everyone has a right to be there within certain boundaries. The creation of private boards would be allow private groups.

If you did create them I think they should in fact be private. Only those with permission for the group should have access to the posts. That way nobody gets up in arms over stuff they don't agree with.
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0nceinalifetime

04/09/03 5:54 PM

#22370 RE: Mattu #22365

Matt, Cassandra raised some very good points and some of your responses to her points seem less than productive. I think your view that we all have a reason to post here is particularly limiting and inaccurate (if I understand you correctly). You seem to think that all participants are posting to cause the stock to go up or down, at least that's what you said in the following excerpt:

"We all have reasons to post here. If I'm posting about a stock, I want it to go up. If you go to a board talking trash, you want it to go down. Simple as that. We all have motives or we wouldn't waste our time."

My personal experience tells me that your generalization does not hold true in all cases. I can speak honestly from my perspective, some of the reasons I participate on the IDCC board. I have a variety of interests, I can't just follow one pursuit all day or all year and following IDCC is one of those interests. It's a very interesting company, I am always interested in seeing how people take money from others. This happens on many levels with IDCC, royalties from manufacturers, stock options to management, share price manipulation to maximize those options, etc.

And although I do not have an engineering degree, I am an engineer at heart and you know how engineers are when it comes to accuracy, etc. I think I have a natural desire for order and for all the pieces of the puzzle to fit. The IDCC story as told by most of the bulls doesn't fit into that mold. I am always trying to fix it, I find it interesting and challenging.

When I find a stock that has a story that doesn't make sense I have a natural desire to find out why. If I find out that the truth isn't being represented I am more than willing to share my discoveries with those who it matters most to. On RB I spent a number of months challenging people who were pumping a scam company called Safe Transportation Systems Inc. (SFTS)

I exposed a number of the lies about their technology and the "longs" hated my presence there but I'm sure I must have made a few new investors think twice before they bought the story hook line and sinker. Good thing too, that stock lost over 99% of its value in the following 15 months. Had there been a "private club" board I'm sure the promoters would have set up shop there to avoid those who were bringing reason to the equation.

I never owned SFTS (long or short) and never intended to. So even you would have to admit my participation there was entirely non monetary. It surprises me that some people cannot comprehend that others actually take pleasure in setting the record straight, no financial gain contemplated. Not everyone is driven by the money motive and why would anyone want to exclude reasonable, intelligent participants who simply realize satisfaction in setting the record straight and helping others to look past the often one-sided story told by the "knowledgeable longs"?

There was an IDCC "Club Board" on RB and it was always difficult to challenge some of the misinformation that was posted there as fact when I wasn't authorized to post there. Of course the person who ran the board pretended to be even handed and I think most of the participants actually believed the only people that were excluded were the loonies and so they were blissfully unaware that much of what was being posted was less than truthful (although it made everyone feel more comfortable about their sometimes sizeable investments in IDCC).

Moving on, I think you are over-reaching the boundaries of decency when you accuse Cassandra of being "the *exact* opposite of a pumper" and go on to ask, "Who's worse?". Cassandra doesn't manipulate the facts to make her case, the facts are her friend. It's the people motivated by money who routinely provide distorted facts and observations that don't match reality, not Cassandra. To try to consider her participation in the same mold as a pumper is ignoring all the work she puts into her participation.

Finally, look at who is causing the REAL problem. It's all the cry babies who are too lame to go to the next post and too cheap to support the service with real money. How long can Ihubs business model be viable if it's dependent upon these whiners for revenue? Believe me, they won't shut up when you give them club boards, they will have a new gripe, who should be in the club, who should be in charge of the club, etc. It will never end.

Good luck trying to please everyone!

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BullNBear52

04/09/03 8:24 PM

#22381 RE: Mattu #22365

Matt, Would the board be private, ie. I couldn't read it without signing up or enrolling?

Suppose you did get 5 pumpers pumping the stock and it was a scam. How does that prevent the naive investor if there are no bashers?


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BondGekko

04/10/03 12:01 AM

#22430 RE: Mattu #22365

matt, all very good points by you, however, here is where it might not work

same thing was done at raging bull, a clubboard was formed for idcc, what happened was, everybody stopped using the main board, so that the main board became irrelevant, and nobody could challenge anyone on the clubboard or ask tough questions, because they would be banned, i understand everybody hates once at the idcc board, but to me it makes it more interesting to have all different points of view, as long as it does not get personal

believe me, if there was an idcc clubboard again, i doubt i would be able to post, and as u have seen i rarely get personal, i just am a skeptic to some of these posts

anyway i understand your frustration at all the time wasted, however like you said a lot of time could be saved by people just ignoring the posters they don't like

if u decide on what you are doing, could you send me a message explaining the new rules, if not i am sure i will hear about on the grapevine, thanks