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DesertDrifter

07/30/13 7:10 PM

#207063 RE: migo #207062

by the definition you listed, i don't see how snowden can be classified as a whistleblower. since the nsa has had hearings about their activities with congress on a regular basis and congress constructs the laws, the only law-breaker was snowden, IMHO.

exposing sanctioned classified activities is not whistle blowing, it is treason.
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StephanieVanbryce

07/30/13 7:47 PM

#207068 RE: migo #207062

I don't put the Ellsberg leak in with any of these crooks, although I know he does, He NOW puts himself in everywhere as Assange does .. .. .totally different imo. For instance.. .Julian Assange would be NOTHING without Bradley Manning. He's USED Bradley and NOW Bradley's going to jail for a long long time... and Assange is living in the Ecuadorean Embassy ,,, free of all charges . .INCLUDING the possible rape charges that he runs from also ,,, yes, I know he says they're all set up .. REALLY? ,.. .someday it would be nice to make our own decisions about him rather than what 'he' tells us .. ,,,, about the WAR CRIME.. I assume you are talking about the Helicopter where we shot a bunch of people down including journalists .. who after all are just like any human beings with children and families too .. I make no distinctions .. well, my problem is I've seen this war crime over and over again .. actually ever since I know of that we've gone to war. .DRONES ? ... why are they different than any bomber who drops a bomb? .. Some even drop nuclear bombs ... . I always though it was war.. .

Now, that bring us up to Snowden. I'm sorry, He revealed NOTHING I didn't already KNOW about and suspect. I was told in 2006 that we had something called WARRANTLESS wiretapping going on here ... and the AUMF 2001, and the Patriot ACT ? .. 2001 also ? .. and something I just learned through this snowden deal ... something in 1970 something ... so nothing new here ... Now as far as PRISM goes .. .. so what? .. Did you ever buy a house? (of course Migo, I don't mean 'you' personally) .. take a loan out for repairs ? .. open a bank account? ... get a drivers license .. Have a social security card? .. What on earth could they find out that they already don't know that we have given to them? .. I just don't know... AND one more thing

EVERYONE! criticizes everything Obama does! .. of course he changed those 'warrantless' wiretaps .. so now there's a court .. BUT DON'T YOU KNOW????? ... The DAMN COURT is no GOOD ! .. PLUS!!! .. it's even BAD because Scotus Roberts .. PICKS them!!!!!! omg!!! .. the whole thing is rigged .. just LIKE everything Obama does .. .haven't you heard? read .. listened to the news? .. Whatever he does or doesn't do .. First OFF .. It's NOT RIGHT or GOOD ... second of all ... It's ACTUALLY EVIL, It's Never RIGHT, It's always for a SNEAKY reason, NEVER for the reason that is stated! ... and it always SUCKS because it's just NOT good enough! .. .. hell, He enjoys killing KIDS! .... I mean I've heard all that stuff .. .since 2009 ... over and over again .. so much so .... that my attitude towards all of it is just ...STUFF IT! ...

DO I think it's great to have a conversation about this ? ... SURE.......we did last week and the congress re-authorized the NSA bill and I'm quite sure .. that there will be more bills coming .. Personally I don't think Rand Paul has all that much power over the senate ... maybe so .... well IF so .. .fine ... We'll live his way then ... No NSA wire tapping .. and oh yeah .. what else did we learn from this .... whoa !!!!!!! . .SECRET FLASH ... from 'snowden'?!?!??? .. .Ah yes! ... England Germany some latin American countries (few) .. And China Russia and other GERMANY and France and OTHERS .. participate WITH US in our NSA info.........so I don't know what he's revealed ? .... as far as I'm concerned .. ..... If it didn't bother him working for NSA under BUSH! ... then this is just pure BS! ... I hope he stays in Russia drinking rotgut and Julian gets his wannabee Pole Dancer over there .. and then ..........SHE LEAVES him ... ;) .............for a RICHER MAN! with lots more character ... . ;) .. I need to write this story up .... ;)
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PegnVA

07/30/13 7:57 PM

#207069 RE: migo #207062

Manning also disclosed US military plans...I wonder how many of his fellow soldiers would give him a pass for putting their lives in jeopardy.
Tonight on PBS' NewsHour an attorney (Mr. Smith) who previously worked in the CIA said after 911 the gov't realized there was a need to share information between agencies and since Manning and Snowden abused their sworn duty to keep information confidential, the gov't is reverting back to not sharing information - which makes ALL of us less safe. The other attorney in this discussion, (forgot his name), represented Wikileaks - he feels Manning was mistreated and he has a right, no duty, to reveal gov't secrets when it comes to military action he disagrees with.