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[gonzaga man]

So you are saying that Fitzgerald knows all but is refusing to bring indictments? Why?

If Novak knows the identity of the "top administration official", why hasn't he been subpoenaed to reveal this person?

If after two years, Fitzgerald has only been able to bring indictments against one person and those indictments only involve statements made to the grand jury, what does Fitzgerald hope to uncover in the next two years?

Go back and look at the trials of people accused of the crimes that Libby is charged with. How successful were the prosecutors in those trials? Of the convicted, how long were the sentences and how long did the people spend in jail?

Am I defending Libby's actions or just pointing out some facts that make this investigation seem a bit weak?


Do you really want to go into the Bosnia thing? True, we didn't lose troops there but then, that wasn't the point I was making, was it?

My point was that using B-52's in high altitude bombing raids did absolutely nothing and were the sign of a president who wanted to be seen as getting tough without actually risking anything. That was typical of the Clinton administration and that was the point. When things got tough, Clinton was a wuss.

The Senate held hearings on the Intelligence community before the war. Did you read it?

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OT: ...part of a remarkably effective peacekeeping mission in [Kosovo] a previously explosive part of the world.

Is that supposed to be a joke?

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OT: ...we removed Milosevic and ended horrific ethnic bloodshed and regional instability...

That is complete and utter bullsh*t.

What "we" did was bomb the piss out of millions of civilians by intentionally targeting them, the buildings they lived in, the roads they drove on. What "we" accomplished wasn't removing Milosevic, it was empowering him to stay in office longer than he otherwise would have. What "we" did was engage in an act of aggression the United Nations refused to sanction.

For all its faults and tendency towards lies, at least the Bush administration had the balls to go to the UN; the Clinton adminstration chickened out and did an end-run, violating not only the UN charter, but the NATO charter as well. And the end result was not stability, it was institutionalized instability.

I had a family member die because one of the smart bombs was intentionally sent into the top floor of an apartment building because the rules of engagement under General Clark and his boss President Clinton said that any building with a basestation was a "command and control" facility - by which definition half the buildings in New York qualify as legitimate military targets.

So before you start talking about "their" politics I think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and remove your own idealogical blinders. And before you start praising what was an illegal war, I think you need to spend some time with a few family members of mine at a graveyard or two.

The attitude in what I quoted above is as much a part of the problem as the attitude in 'zaga's posts, mate. Neither of you have shown any respect for innocent lives.