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Jar

02/26/03 2:48 PM

#7134 RE: Zeev Hed #6921

>>I am a strict constructionist in this respect following the dicti of Gen 2:7, until it has taken an independent breath, it is not alive, it is not a human being it is not a person.

Zeev,

I see how you could interpret Gen 2:7 that way. However, as you probably know there are other scriptures that claim God is already relating to the fetus/baby before birth. Gen 2:7 could mean God quickened the first human directly with His breath. Offspring from the first would then already have that divine touch.

Coupling the following text from Isaiah with scientific and physical response data leads me to conclude that the entity is a living human before birth. If not, I think one could simply but a plastic bag over the child's head during delivery to prevent breathing (or deliver in a vacuum chamber). Then fully deliver the breathless child, cut the umbilical cord, and kill it in broad daylight. Then toss her aside like a decayed tooth or inflamed tonsil. If this was proper in God's sight, there would be no remorse - even joy as is the case for someone who just had a gall bladder removed.

Surely this is a horrific image. How would you react to such an event?

Isaiah 49:1 Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.

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BullNBear52

03/12/06 12:17 PM

#164648 RE: Zeev Hed #6921

until it has taken an independent breath, it is not alive, it is not a human being it is not a person.

I'll go you one better. After 9 months plus of pregnancy knowing that something was growing in the womb and watching the birth, I wasn't convinced until I heard him cry. It was probably the longest seconds of my life waiting to hear that cry. Only then did I know he was alive and okay.
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yayaa

03/12/06 1:15 PM

#164651 RE: Zeev Hed #6921

Z how do you sqaure that with Ps.139:13,and Luke 1:41? Convienent for you to say you choose what passages to accept yet honest,I appreciate that. If I take your stance yet believe the Lord is the source of all life I can't get past the idea of interupting the process and the holy gift of life