Replies to post #7134 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[greg s]

re: there would be no remorse - even joy as is the case for someone who just had a gall bladder removed.

Excellent point! I believe in the right to life for all gall bladders, not to mention pursuit of happiness for enflamed tonsils!

[brainlessone]

they do it routinely in China. also in china you are one year old the day you are born, they start the clock at conception more or less. kind of opposing views operating there.

but my problem is enforcing your views on people who do not share them. I know you beleive what you do, but others do not beleive it. How do you think it fair to society?
I am sure you will not have an abortion done and those in your family will not. dont you think that enough?

Others think killing women for sport or honor is a victimless crime and they should not go to jail. They beleive strongly that it is within their rights to do this. They do not want their rights taken away.
because they feel strongly, should they enforce their beleifs on others?

[Zeev Hed]

Both Jeremiah and Jesaia are puzzling in that respect. The word used in both cases is "Beten" (stomach) not Womb (which is "Rehem"). At least, in the case of Jeremiah, he statement is (1:5) "before I created you, in stomach I knew you, and before you exited the womb, I dedicated you a Prophet to nations". Mind you, Jeremiah is not created yet when he is in the stomach or the womb, the Almighty, knowing the future, already knew him, but Jeremiah was not a being until he left the womb, god knew him before he "created him". (You'll find a similarity in Jesaia 49:5 "my creator from stomach to his slave set me to bring back Jakob to him...".

Both of these cases do not imply life prior to birth. Mind you, both of these prophets (particularly Jeremiah, since the Hebrew word "Yada " or to know (in the good old biblical sense between a man and a woman) is used in Jeremiah case, indicating a similarity in the circumstances of his birth to that of a later prophet Yeshua.

Zeev