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kikoboerm

01/25/05 11:14 AM

#92549 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loop your post concerns me very much, as i know you are not given to jest about idcc's future. What would you do if you were handling noka's attack on us? What options do we have? TIA Kiko
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amrwonderful

01/25/05 11:14 AM

#92550 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loophole: In regard to the new 3G patent validity challenge by NOK....is there a way for IDCC to get an injunction against NOK selling product, if they can prove/assert that NOK has had a pattern of being malicious and not honoring contracts in the past?

And isn't there a signed contract for 3G between IDCC and NOK?
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TheGame

01/25/05 11:15 AM

#92551 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loop: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. What are your thoughts on IDCC getting Nokia out of the Federal Court System and into the Arbitration arena?


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mschere

01/25/05 11:16 AM

#92552 RE: loophole73 #92548

Question..Since Nokia's 3G obligation due IDCC through 2006 will surpass $300 Million..Why did Nokia not litigate the same issues for the period 2002-2006 instead of exempting that period and utilize Lanham for post 2006? The same "Invalid Patents" patents that trigger the $300 Million 3G payments for 2002-2006 will survive long past 2007. TIA


It could be that Nok is looking to create another "mandate" atmosphere at IDCC in an effort to achieve a firesale rate. If IDCC hits them with cross claims, they are locked into litigation regardless if they withdraw their original patent claims or not. However, I believe they were well aware of these possibilities at the time they filed the patent challenge action.


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davids

01/25/05 11:16 AM

#92553 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loop, while I agree with your analysis, there is one issue which still confuses me: Why is Nokia challenging only 18 of our approx. 250 3G patents? Are there only 18 "essential" ones? Unless these 18 represent our only blocking IPR in 3G, even if Nok wins, they would still need a 3G license with IDCC. Or, is Nok merely upping the ante to pressure IDCC?
Davids
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whizzeresq

01/25/05 11:18 AM

#92555 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loop--One has to ask whether Nokia is engaged in a game of chicken. Nokia is looking for a court declaration that would be effective in 2006, after the 3G license expires. Unless the 3g suit is in a district court with a rocket docket, it is unlikely a decision will be rendered by the effective date of contract termination. In that case, will Nokia refrain from selling 3G products in the U.S. until the case is resolved? At the conclusion of the 3G license in 2006, IDCC would be free to seek an injunction against Nokia sales in the U.S. of any 3G covered product. Although some posters state that an injunction will not issue since IDCC will not suffer irreparable harm because it could receive money damages, there are federal circuit court cases that state monetary damages are not sufficient and that an injunction can issue against patent infringers. Also, at that time, Nokia would risk triple damages for patent violations. Given IDCC's strength in 3G standards, a strong case for an injunction or triple damages would seem to viable. Plus, what about the 3G patents that are not in issue in the case, would Nokia be infringing on some of those? And, what if Nokia does not renew for 2G after 2006. Do IDCC patents continue beyond that year and would Nokia risk a 2G lawsuit as well.

I do agree with your view that IDCC needs a 3G license from a major player, and, if it receives one, Nokia then would have to make a decision. Would NOkia be willing to forego U.S. sales of 3G products pending resolution of the 3G lawsuit and risk a loss of market share to a 3G competitor who would be in a position to sell into the U.S. market? Someone like Ericy might be willing to enter into a license with IDCC upon an assurance that IDCC would wage war against Nokia until Nokia licensed with IDCC. This could give Ericy-Sony a major foothold in the U.S. pending the resolution of the 3G case. And what about Europe? Would Nokia risk a round of litigation there and an impact on its 3G sales?




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captainslog

01/25/05 11:20 AM

#92557 RE: loophole73 #92548

Loop, I think the landscape is different this time around.

NOK raised the bar with IDCC, true, but if IDCC can come out of arbitration with a big reward from NOK for past infringement and an acknowledgement that IDCC patents are valid, the 3G questions get cleared up, not clouded. 2G validity with all of its questions and all the uncertainly about IDCC claims is far different than where IDCC stands with 3G.

The way a 3G rate gets resolved is clearer now than it has ever been. If IDCC succeeds with 2G, the 3G story is far more solid and IMO 2G and 3G royalty is a certainty for IDCC.

With 2G resolved with NOK, IDCC will have far more leverage to sign up new customers who have not previously signed up for 2G. There are all kinds of creative ways to sort out past infringement for a new 3G license. That creates momentum.

With 2G success, I think most people will see that 3G will also be a success and will see the NOK action as a bargaining chip, not a slash and burn tactic that the Ericy action was meant to be. IDCC will be too strong for that.

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Gamco

01/25/05 11:24 AM

#92559 RE: loophole73 #92548

I just believe that we (IDCC) are relying heavily on the renowned "Integrity" of ERICY to overcome the NOK assault. JMHO
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GAB

01/25/05 11:28 AM

#92563 RE: loophole73 #92548

<I also believe that reality dictates that E/SNE will now allow Nok to carry the expense in an attempt to derail the 3g licensing via litigation just as Nok allowed Ericy to do the same for 2g.>

Do you think its possible that the original "mandate" quoted by Howard was an agreement with E/SNE to license for 3G, if IDCC nailed Nok for 2G?

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Bill Dalglish

01/26/05 12:03 AM

#92706 RE: loophole73 #92548

Catch up here on “must-read” posts today

Loop opened up a very interesting, very lively and informative discussion today related to the Nokia federal complaint against IDCC concerning 3G patents and royalties post 2006.

A dozen or so of the most informative posts and responses today are now archived at WirelessLedger.com.

http://www.wirelessledger.com/3GLicensing.htm

Thanks to all who posted today!

For links and a listing of all 10 topics on which posts recently have been selected as “best posts”

http://www.wirelessledger.com/catalysts.htm

Here’s the original Jan 12th 2005 Complaint that has caused so much furor:

http://www.wirelessledger.com/bfm42c2.pdf

Bill