Replies to post #78454 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[JMKel]

Nothing disturbs you people.

"Are you saying that the US sexually assaulted hundreds of innocent civilians or that Bush did it?( wouoldn't put it past you) The 100,00 number is based on very faulty research, if you're interested in the facts check the previous post I made on it."

Bush sexually assualted many innocent civilians by proxy. :)

What difference does it make if Bush by proxy killed 80,000 or 100,000 Iraqi's to accomplish his goal of toppling Saddam.
It is still an immoral disaster.

[SoxFan]

Clearly you are misinformed about the flying out of the Bin Ladens and what was said in 9-11. What is true is private planes were grounded by our government and the Bin Ladens were allowed to fly their private planes in American air space as planes picked them up in various airports. They then were allowed to fly out of the country with a cursory interview from the FBI. Who gave permission - Richard Clarke.

There were no other private planes allowed to fly in American air space.

[AndrewL]

"Do you seriously think that Bush sitting in a classroom had anyhting to do with our response time/ The idea that anybody could actually beleive that is mind boggling and shows a complete suspension of any critical thought. If hed jumped up and ran out of the classroom, what could have been accomplished? DO you really think that the president is the one who handles operational military details? UFB"

He IS the Commander in Chief, no? He damn well should have a pretty good idea of how to respond to a military crisis on a basic tactical level. (Perhaps he was just awaiting instructions from Cheney...??)


I mean honestly, can you envision any other president in the modern era--Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush, Ford (well...maybe), Clinton-- not dropping whatever the hell they're doing at that precise moment and picking up the goddamned phone to find out who and what and why and issue some kind of executive order, or at least put into place the wheels of motion to provide some answers and make sure the proper people are on the job? We're talking critical moments here, pal, where a moment lost could mean a difference between life and death. He is supposed to be our LEADER, and as the title suggests, a leader should lead. As regards the above sarcastic comment vis a vis Cheney, I was (sadly) less than 1/2 kidding.

Truly it is these kind of responses from Bush apologists such as yourself that is UFB, as you so quaintly put it.

[seabass]

>>>Michael Moore as quoted by OBL and spit out by a left wing moon bat.<<<

How the hell did Michael Moore get mixed up in this? It was a direct quote by OBL who probably knows better than you do what they had planned and what they didn't plan. Last I heard there's no good explanation for why AA flight 11 was able to fly wildly off course under radio silence for 45 minutes with little attention given to it. I'm assuming that's at least part of what OBL was referring to with respect to the extra time they were given.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/110903flight11.html


>>>THe 9/11 commision has dispelled this myth for all but the lunatic fringe. They said plainly that ti didn't happen. They left when the airways were cleared,<<<

WRONG.

"The U.S. government had allowed, before commercial airspace was reopened, at least one domestic flight for Saudis who had feared for their safety, Lautenberg's staff said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4014-2004Jul21.html


>>>Are you saying that the US sexually assaulted hundreds of innocent civilians or that Bush did it?( wouoldn't put it past you) The 100,00 number is based on very faulty research, if you're interested in the facts check the previous post I made on it<<<


I stand corrected. Guess I'm still programmed to think our commander in chief takes responsibility for military blunders. Not this commander in chief obviously and I should know that by now. Other than that, we still don't know where the orders for those assaults came from and who approved them, do we? As for 100,000 dead Iraqis, if that number is too high, then what is it? 80,000, 50,000 or 20,000? Hardly matters for the subject we discussed which was friendly gestures by Bush for OBL. You think OBL and his followers care whether 10,000 or 100,000 Iraqis have been killed? Either number is excellent news for his recruitment division.


>>>Doesn't it even make you pause a little bit when most of the talking points for your argument come from a mass murdering terrorist who was responsible for he deaths of 3,000<<<


If they were talking points from a mass murdering terrorist, then it would give me pause, but they're not. These are simple facts that have never been disputed. But why would that matter to you? When it comes to Bush, things are what you want them to be and anything ugly is automatically rejected as false. Correct? It's weird, but there's enough of your type out there now where the pollsters have taken notice. This one has you pegged:


"Apparently, to avoid this cognitive dissonance, Bush supporters suppress awareness of unsettling information."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/election2004/9980622.htm?1c