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NorthWesterner

06/17/02 7:47 PM

#4384 RE: Mattu #4383

<i. If I have to start
wearing a g-string and turning on my web cam to increase stock postings, then I'm on my way to
Victoria Secret.

I can think of few better ways to destroy this site.

You in a g-string on a web cam? The mere threat makes my blood curdle.

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Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind. -- Dr. Seuss
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jmhollen

06/18/02 2:41 AM

#4390 RE: Mattu #4383

Matt,

I believe there is a slight flaw in your basic premise, that should be reconsidered. Pro and con discussions between LONGS or SHORTS (..who actually have money at risk..) and polite third parties should be weighted somewhat more heavily than P-&-C between LONGS/SHORTS and "..uninvolved twiddlers..". It does make a difference.

Quite honestly, I believe you will be continually manuevered into being the resident ping-pong ball - until you include an "..exclusion.." privilege for the Chairman of a board. If anyone is intentionally giving a board an acute case of posterior mmmarynosis, the Chairperson (only) should be able to enter that alias in the board's EP List; just like Monitored Boards on SI.

If you're concerned over losing your "...Big Bubba control..", write the code so that persons listed in the board's "..Exclude Poster List.." (EPL) are automatically deleted every 14 days.

Most of us don't care if someone comes in an bashes or pumps a stock once or twice, or hammers a particular poster once or twice - we can trash those posts if they're too far out anyway. But, if an incessant, snarling, junkyard-mutt or Bozo-the-Bobz-Tout is going to make a total nuisance/aggravant of themselves - a 14 day vacation should give time then adequate time for reflection. It's a board matter. And, advice that you could be excluded (..for at least 14 days..) by the Chairperson in the TOU catalog would be fair warning.

If the Excludee feels that they have been grossly wronged, etc., they can always petition the Lord-high-IH-Admin-MuckityMuck for redress - "...if..." it's their second or third exclusion. Otherwise, it should be a board-level management decision right or wrong.

mmmary's harangue on ASTN and NPCT had to have resulted in a flood of TOSs, PMs and eMails to you - which jacks up your "sensitivity quotient" and seems to piss you off at both the offender and the TOSsor. When it appears that you are overly supportive of some infamous WWW bash-a-zoids (...now clearly shown to be associated with Anthony@Pacific per a recent interview...) it really looks "...too dam* cozy..." to the membership. It both garners and heightens resentment.

We can run our own boards pretty well. Your micromanagement is more of an issue than the give-and-take on the boards themselves.

"Sarals" would still be a Chairperson/Director if she hadn't been been bludgeoned daily - with no tools to deal with the problem that you wouldn't constantly override. Same with the NPCT board.

In any organization, you either support your middle-management with the heavy benefit of the doubt applied to that "...First Line of Defense..." - or, you'll eventually find guppies swimming through your wheelhouse.

And, if a "..joemoney.." or anyone else wants to manage a board (..after the EP List has been included..) let them pick a stock from the gazillions available, start their own dam* board, and pontificate over it until they go blind - or until you get 30+ sepearate requests to remove the Chairperson.

You create a lot more problems than you solve by interfering with the "...staff...", who are doing their job pretty dam* well to start with.

Don't you have some code to write, or a banner-ad to negotiate - go do YOUR job, Bubba.


John :-)

Park your Sub at the iHub - Bub; ....the experience might just "...float your boat..." !!
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Bird of Prey

06/18/02 11:15 AM

#4393 RE: Mattu #4383

OK Matt,

Constructive criticism it is.

1st with the exception of GB all of those on the list left because they felt they have been disrespected by either you or Bob or both. Like it or not, you and Bob are tied to the same chain. And whether it's fair or not to do so, people are going to hold you accountable for Bob's sins and vice versa. My comments are for both of you. Believe it or not, Bob's final commentary on our last exchange (though private) actually gives me reason to believe that things can be different.That is why I included that little tagline at the end of my previous message...

Sometimes it is not enough to avoid evil...sometimes you must avoid even the appearance of evil.

You and Bob both give the "appearance of evil" when you dismiss a suggestion with an insulting or flippant remark. You also disrespect users when you completely ignore their comments. These were what specifically caused Poet to depart here and caused my own diminished participation. This behavior has continued and expanded. This is IMO, the number one challenge that IH management must overcome. Every time either of you post a belittling comment to a user (any user, even joemoney) you give the appearance of disrespecting users. You and Bob have done this so often in the last few months that your recent "I don't care" comment takes on a different, more insidious meaning in the eyes of your readers than perhaps you intended.
It's a mindset thing. I understand clearly that this site belongs to you and Bob, and that you can do as you wish with it. Even to the extreme of enforcing a non-sensical rule. I do believe, however that you do understand the second part of this equation, that without users your site is worthless. That you must attract and keep quality users here at the site. The easiest way to do that is to remember "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!"
Would you want a site admin trying to humiliate you into leaving a site? or bait you into a violation so that he has an excuse to terminate you?
Some things, while you may not like them, you just have to put up with if you want to attract and keep quality users. It has to do with "the appearance of "being fair". If a user appears to be getting shafted by management just because they don't like his/her style, then other users wonder "What happens to me if they decide I'm not doing things the way they want?". Special "rules" for certain posters can also cause users to ask that same question. You have in place some excellent tools for dealing with troublemakers and you can use them well. Don't get caught in the trap of trying to control what gets posted on the site. To do so you'd end up on one side or another, because you cannot force people to always choose the middle of the road. Let the community decide what is acceptable or not, if you listen, they'll tell you. In simple terms they want a place where they can post without fear of being mistreated...by anyone, including the management.
In general you have that, but there are a few cracks in the image, and it appears that management would prefer to dismiss them and proceed with it's own agenda, whatever that may be.
Whenever management gives the appearance of being inconsistent in enforcing the rules it does have and does not persistently enforce those same rules, management then opens the door to the interpretation that it is biased, unfair and therefore unsafe in the eyes of users.

It's not a matter of who you go head to head with...it's HOW you do it. Both you and Bob have shown errors in judgement in the HOW lately.

The Bird of Prey

PS I don't expect perfection, but the current situation is nowhere within sight of perfect. It really isn't even acceptable IMB, but there is a slim hope that things can be turned around, with the possibility of getting closer to the Utopian Ideal than ever before.




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Georgia Bard

09/15/02 3:01 PM

#5083 RE: Mattu #4383

Hey Matt ... I am still aeound ... busy as heck engineering, commissioning grocery chains software and hardware and teaching apprentices.

I read SI for the laughable nonsense on the King of Short & Distort though when I get brain tired or need a break from logic. LOL ... unlogical posts cheer me up.

Hope all is well for you Matt.

Gary

:=) Gary Swancey