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VERITAS77

06/29/08 9:15 PM

#9202 RE: MIB #9187

Please spend some serious time in Hebrews chapters 9 and 10.
---follow up---

Alright.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr009.html
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr010.html#8

Hbr 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:


Hbr 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

2 Things are abundantly clear.

1)They did not have/believe in "sealed till Eternity"
2)The o/t IS different. The Holy Spirit to reside with people but the "functionality/SEALING" factor did not exist in the old.
Infact, NOW we can boldly go before the throne IN PRAYER through the Holy Spirit to the Mediator Jesus whom makes intercession for us to the Father.

Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


Before- required Temporal/specific ordinances,etc.

***The old testament does not teach:Sealing of the Spirit in Gods people.

The New Testament we can eventually address.
The Old Testament is clear as Job DECLARED and others.

An old testament saint whom died in trangression- Would not go to heaven.

Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

THEY WERE JUDGED-BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS. (ALL O/T HUMANITY)

You might be in fear if you read the verses CONTINUED in Heb 10.

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VERITAS77

06/29/08 9:28 PM

#9204 RE: MIB #9187

Question.
Does your theology about Eternal Security hindge on the o/t factor?

If so, the old testament proves that THE RIGHTEOUS can FALL from forgiveness, and be damned for it.
--- here are some o/t scriptures below---
Mind you, we are NOT addresses new testament, but only old testament. Which is what matters. N/T discussion can come later.



Eze 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.


Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, b][because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

TO MAKE HEAVEN- YOU MUST BE PERFECT.
AND/OR- REPENT. AGAIN, AND AGAIN AND...Thus sayeth the Lord.
**which is possible-hence the funtionality, call it the Holy Spirit brings to the believer.**

Here is the old testament verses about old testament believers.

Btw, Ezekiel mentions this EXACT WARNING 3 times in Ezekiel alone. That is only one set of verses.


Narrow is the gate-Few find it.

*MIB- You are here for a reason. The Lord do a mighty work in you. Amen.



Things are not always what they seem...

Stop by the ETERNITY board for a contrarian approach to all matters of life.
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VERITAS77

06/29/08 9:33 PM

#9205 RE: MIB #9187

Eternal Security- from the Old Testament.

Lets see...

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternalsecurityatest.htm


Eternal Security Is

A Test From God To

See If You Love Him