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[excel]

I pray that you will be a monument of God's love
and mercy unto others, even as others tell you to
leave and abandon. Stay the course and when all
is finished....STAND.

Going to have to disagree with you.

I agree with you love is in order here.
But we also must ask ourselves what is love?
Love has many forms.
An example situation..........
When we are living with an alcoholic do we go to the store for more beer because we don't want them driving drunk? Because we love them so much we just go anyways even though we know the beer is killing their liver? Or do we take the keys away from them and do what we can to put them in a situation that won't hurt us?

No one is telling her to abandon him.
Separation with counseling is not abandment.
They are telling her to stop enabling him.
History has shown through her posts on the board, as well as PM's she has sent me, he continues to manipulate her.
Use her.

When he gets her back after playing "Mr Nice Guy" again and the threat of leaving is gone he shortly is found going right back to the old lifestyle. This is called MANIPULATION.

Sometimes one needs to separate ones self from the manipulator in order for that one to realize she is serious and catch this now...........
LOVES him ENOUGH that she would go through the hurt now, in order to regain TRUE LOVE that brings Glory to God later.

She has been on this merry go round of manipulation long enough.

God did not create us to be abused by others NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE LOVE THEM!

Love sometimes requires us to love them with wisdom, which means sometimes we can't follow our heart that feels leaving will be to hard, that the person we fell in love with will just magically come back some day to the one we fell in love with.

In 99% of the cases they won't.

Not going to happen as right now he doesn't know how to LOVE his wife. He only knows how to manipulate her.

Being nice saying all the right things till he has her where he wants her has been his MO. Shortly there after he has been right back to the bar drinking with his Lady boss.
One doesn't have to add 2 + 2 in that situation to figure out what is going on.

Separating from him is not a guarantee he will find God and learn how to love his Wife the right way. But it sure is a whole lot better then staying on this merry go round of abuse.

There is a few things in life we can be sure of.
One of them is once one learns how to use someone without a total change from God one will continue to do just that in what ever form it takes even faking being a Christian to further their agenda.

[tenac]

I love God with all my heart...at least i like to think that i do...but i reckon only HE knows that for sure....I think i walk with Jesus as best as i can...but there again...only HE knows for sure if i am really doing my best or not. I am a work in progress and i do need much work...i just thank God for his patients and grace and mercy.

As you all know...i lived a very wicked life of addictions for many many years...and i can say without much of any doubt...there isnt much in life that i havent seen...I have not studied about what pain and wickedness folks can live in without Hope...i have not read books about the problems and wickedness of the world...I have Lived It!

Im just a regular everyday man that loves God and i dont have much in the way of book learning....But i do have one thing between my ears...and that is plenty of good common sense that the good Lord blessed me with....and i have learned more than most would ever want to know in the school of hard knocks....And i gots the Holy Spirit in my heart!

I know very well how the wicked...abusive...addicted...lying...cheating and often times..powerful mind works....As ive said...ive seen it all and lived it all for at least 25 years and some things thru my old man...for even more years than that.

I know very well what Jesus said...what the word of God says...what scripture in the Bible says...I know God is the same yesterday...today...tomorrow......I know what the bible says about divorce...i know all of that!

But when a spouse or kids or anyone... is being used or abused or mistreated by word...mind...action...whatever...and someone is telling them to hang in there and just pray...I am afraid i have a big problem with that...How many spouses and kids are lame or dis-figured, either mentally or physically because they listened to advice like that and hung in there just to be hurt...And worse than that...they now are 6 feet under.

God ...I do not believe...intends for any of his children to be put thru such things..a earthly hell imposed by another person..Yes we might be persecuted in JESUS name....but to be used and abused and maybe even killed for the sake of staying with someone that most likely in this day and time aint gonna ever look to God in the 1st place...No we are not to be persecuted in the name ..or by...a drunk or druggie or just a plain screwed up person.....Many people on planet earth are here for one reason...To live for themselves...to get ahead any way they can...and to use people...and have a good time doing it...its a game...a challenge to them...who can i screw over this week!

I say...knock the dust off your shoes and hit the road and dont look back...continue to pray for them and if they look to God for salvation...THEN..try and renew the relationship...other wise...forget them!

You have a blessed day my friend!



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Rick j Sane

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[Diver_Linda]

I honestly should have given up on him a long time ago and I was prepared to leave him a few weeks ago. He has been manipulative of my caring nature. And if I had continued the path I was on, it would have been destuction for me. I WAS enabling him. But through the good counsel from others here, and by the power of the Holy Spirit guiding me.... I have kind of an army of christian soldiers at my side now. I see a sincere change in my husband. But this change is also scary to me because I believe he decided to drink himself to death and what ever I want is is OK with him. But Pastor Lou called me tonight. he got the mens group all prepared and they prayed yesterday and I have to call and set up a meeting for them to come and meet my husband. And...the great part part is... He, my husband is willing to meet with them and he is willing to go through counseling with this pastor. He has become so totally humble. He has given up. He does not know Jesus as I know jesus. But, I am so certain that he is about to. I know the husband is santified by the wife. But that is not good enough for me. I want my husband to know Jesus as I do before he departs this world. And I have a really good feeling he is about to meet an army of christian soldiers. When I told pastor Lou what was going on he gathered the men together right there and said excuse me, we have some praying to do. The women all gathered around me and invited me to join them on wednesday night. I left there in tears. Tears of joy because I know that my Lord and Savior sent me there and they are my new family.