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TastyTheElf

03/21/20 9:41 PM

#254820 RE: rafunrafun #254815

TTE - What are your thoughts on:

1) Italy's 9% death rate vs Germany's .38%

2) How are deaths counted? Anyone who has Cov19 and dies counts as a death, even if the death is from other underlying conditions?


Italy has a much older population and is a circus culturally. Germans are younger, richer, and for better or worse, they are the best organized people in the world. This outcome is the least surprising thing I can think of.

I'm pretty sure that anybody who has COVID-19 and dies has COVID-19 put down as the cause of death. Which isn't inaccurate, in my opinion. It's a metaphysical question, not a scientific one.
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AVII77

03/21/20 9:53 PM

#254826 RE: rafunrafun #254815

How are deaths counted? Anyone who has Cov19 and dies counts as a death, even if the death is from other underlying conditions?



A mayor from northern Italy said yesterday:

È quello che sta accedendo. In questa provincia il numero dei decessi a causa del virus è di gran lunga superiore a quello delle statistiche ufficiali. Molti malati anziani muoiono di polmonite a casa loro, o nelle case di riposo, senza che nessuno abbia fatto loro un tampone, né prima né dopo il decesso. Ho chiamato una dozzina di sindaci, per farmi un’idea: in quei comuni il numero dei decessi attribuibili all’epidemia è all’incirca quattro volte quello ufficiale.


Transalation:
That's what's going on. In this province the number of deaths due to the virus is far higher than that of official statistics. Many elderly patients die of pneumonia at home, or in nursing homes, without anyone having swabbed them, either before or after death. I called a dozen mayors to get an idea: in those municipalities the number of deaths attributable to the epidemic is roughly four times the official one.

I know this doesn't help resolve the difference between Germany and Italy you ask about (it makes it 4 times worse)