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Barunuuk

09/08/19 8:10 AM

#243150 RE: exwannabe #243148

So both of them have approved products? They don’t need any phase 3 trials?

NWBO is almost done their phase 3 trial, and their market cap is 100M, something wrong with that picture.
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hope4patients

09/08/19 8:34 AM

#243154 RE: exwannabe #243148

Showing efficacy and safety in a Phase 3 GBM trial is a totally different ballgame. It's a game changer. Period.
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flipper44

09/08/19 11:13 AM

#243180 RE: exwannabe #243148

Thanks for reminding me that Juno and Kite had full results but no approval before buyout. They had me too therapies along with Novartis' Car-T therapy. Near term prospects in B-cell cancer at the time. Fraction of the 10% of oncology market. Still Far-off-term potential in solid tumor cancer. No shortcuts. Juno and Kite sold for about 10 billion each. Highly Cost prohibitive product for patients and/or insurers.
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longfellow95

09/08/19 5:50 PM

#243209 RE: exwannabe #243148

The JUNO/KITE trials were registrational quality and proved safety/efficacy.



Simply isn't that simple or clearcut.

Although some degree of immune stimulation and inflammation was expected with T cell activation after ACT, severe cytokine release syndrome (CRS) has been observed with CD19-specific, BCMA-specific, and CD22-specific CAR-T cells. Unexpected neurologic complications ranging in severity from mild to life-threatening have also been reported across different clinical studies with CD19- and BCMA-specific CAR-T cells. The neurologic toxicities described with CD19-specific CAR-T cells have been largely reversible4. In 2016 patients died in a clinical trial testing a CAR-T therapy from Juno Therapeutics, known as JCAR015. After the patient deaths in July 2016, when the FDA halted testing, the Agency soon allowed the clinical trial to resume under a revised protocol. But two more patients died later that year, and Juno pivoted to other products in its pipeline. The Juno trial deaths represented a serious setback for the CAR-T field at the time10. Overall, 34 deaths were reported from the time of informed consent to the data cut-off for the YESCARTA study (January 27, 2017). Thirty patients died of progressive disease and four deaths were attributed to the product as per FDA analysis. Three deaths occurred within 30 days of YESCARTA infusion. Fatal cases of CRS and neurologic toxicity have occurred after receiving YESCARTA15. Overall, 29 deaths have been reported from time of informed consent to the data cut-off of the KYMRIAH study (November 23, 2016) as submitted for the BLA. Six patients died in the failed screened population, 12 pre-infusion, awaiting manufacture of KYMRIAH (six from ALL, five from infection, and one respiratory failure), and 11 patients died post-infusion. Of the 29 deaths, two were attributable to the product and were considered by the FDA as related to CRS13. The severity of CRS seems to be proportional to the tumor burden. Although CRS is an adverse effect of CAR-T cell therapy, there may be a correlation between the development of CRS and response to therapy. Patients who are not developing CRS may be less likely to benefit from CAR-T cells, whereas those who are developing CRS often respond to the therapy. Even if there may be some correlation between developing CRS and efficacy, there does not appear to be a strong correlation between the degree of CRS and response to therapy21.



For sure, the Car-T's can be very effective for some patients.
Safe? No.
Does the efficacy justify the risk?
That, I would suggest, is knife edge stuff.

The article I'm quoting from is quite instructional, because it describes some of the hurdles that ATMP therapies have to go through on the manufacturing front.

For sure the FDA just nodded through the approvals.

The EMA asked a lot of tough questions and NWBO knows this will also apply in the case of DCVax-L, even if some on this Board don't. Though there is a significant difference because DCVax-L is known to be safe, whereas the Car-t's are known to be dangerous (you have to have a specially trained response team available to deal with life-threatening CRS (Cytokine Release Syndrome), otherwise known as a cytokine storm, if it occurs, (which it frequently does):-

However, not only clinical challenges but also issues in development, manufacturing, and commercialization must be overcome in order to further enhance this technology. Compared with other product classes where issues are, in the majority of cases, in the clinical part of the dossier, ATMPs show shortcomings in all parts of the dossier, from product quality to the non-clinical program up to the clinical program and data. This leads to a high number of objections, including major objections during the evaluation of the Marketing Authorization Application. In order to respond to regulators’ questions and to address major objections, long clock stops are often needed during the evaluation procedure. For some products and programs, the issues are so severe that they cannot be sufficiently addressed during the procedure. As a consequence, applicants either withdraw their application or regulators issue a negative opinion11. An overview on the existing Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulatory pathways and tools including the strategic use thereof is presented in Figure 3.



"Approval of First CAR-Ts: Have we Solved all Hurdles for ATMPs?"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6343443/

If anyone wonders why it takes so long to write an SAP, the reason is that NWBO are also trying to cover as much of this groundwork (as described above) pre-submission. I don't know what they are doing in the US, but I think they are doing as much of this as they can in Europe right now.
At least I hope they are.

The article merits a read.