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Jim Bishop

10/06/06 3:43 AM

#220601 RE: stockhound101 #220600

Wow, well done hounddog...you got something right.

"innocent investor who ends up being fleeced of his/her hard earned money"

"Innocent investor" should learn the game, learn the rules, learn the players...or maybe stick to real companies, making real money, paying real cash dividends...or maybe stick to income trusts, real estate, their own sweat equity, and yes, lotto tickets.

Sheeple get fleeced, mullets are eaten, pigs are slaughtered.... and lemmings... just take a dive.
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pantherj

10/06/06 1:25 PM

#220613 RE: stockhound101 #220600

LOL!! Wow. A massive unmanaged, un-communicated conspiracy between zillions of different individuals and companies with no central control. Yet all do their part. No one gets out of line. No one spills the beans. No one rats out a rival. Amazing. Telepathy at its best. And fake shares, too!

You have a future in writing Children's books where nothing has to be based on facts and the more fantasy the better. JMHO
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janice shell

10/06/06 3:25 PM

#220637 RE: stockhound101 #220600

The bashers use the toxic financing argument to turn attention away from and cover the real happenings and reason the investors lost their money.

Sorry. You have it precisely backwards. Toxic financing has been a problem for a long time. We were well aware of it on SI back in 1997-1998. Eventually someboy started a board to expose abuses.

At that time NOBODY was talking about naked shorting. Evil Shorty, yes, but not naked shorting. I believe credit for the current NSS hysteria goes to the late Gayle Essary of Investrend and FinancialWire. Essary was a promoter, and most of the companies he promoted were sleazy.

For that matter, most of the companies on Essary's FinancialWire "they've been shorted naked" list were sleazy. Funniest thing, we haven't seen that list recently. Some of the companies on it--AZNT and ECNC, for example--were proven frauds, but that didn't seem to bother Essary. Every one I ever checked out had problems of some kind. Problems that had nothing to do with NSS. Many had toxic paper floating around; many more were non-reporting Pinkies, so there was no way to tell.

The rest of your post is just fantasy. Toxic financing is really very simple: the company and the financier cut a deal. The company gets money; the financier gets restricted stock that has an anti-dilution clause attached to it. The financier begins to short against his restricted stock. Stock price tanks. The lower it goes, the more stock the financier gets, and he continues to short against it.

Nobody has to "work" to get the price down. It usually doesn't go straight down; the financier will cover some of his position now and then to give the stock a breather. Then he'll start all over again.

Yes, you're right: we "bashers" like to expose games like this. It's utterly perverse of you even to suggest that what happens is somehow our fault.