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jazz710

01/28/18 9:41 AM

#132274 RE: DimesForShares #132272

Good summary. We do know that KBLB is now using CRISPR and not the less consistent earlier insertion technologies, so most of the issues related DIRECTLY to the insertion should be considered as rare as mutations.

Too variable of a starting platform worm and/or inconsistent population monitoring make the most sense to me, especially if they were trying to cross breed their insertions into lines with new genetic backgrounds (VN worms, etc.)

That platform worm strain should have been much more carefully culled for outside variation, and as much of pain as it may be, if you want a VN-platform worm, you need to start from scratch and make a new one through controlled breeding.

My top guess is still that corners were cut with respect to maintenance of clean lines, early on in the ramp up or during the platform worm generation. The new testing setup will be helpful in choosing new starter colonies. I would absolutely couple that with a few rounds of genome sequencing. That's what a pro would do.

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Keep in mind, the variation in silk quality must have been substantial. I highly doubt that Vietnamese silkworm farms have hermetically separated breeding setups, yet they crank out silk at production quality. The variation found in our silk is probably not subtle epistatic variation (IMHO). Some gene/allele that significantly affected silk production infiltrated the population. Where's the most likely source? Vague epistasis, or competing silk-production alleles. I vote the latter, but admit the former is possible.

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rayovac812

01/28/18 10:24 AM

#132278 RE: DimesForShares #132272

We do not know how many colonies there are. If they have a colony in the last instar every week, then it is a weeks worth of genetic variance. If they have multiple colonies per week, then the problem is even smaller.

I am sure the sky is still falling, but......
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igotthemojo

01/28/18 11:22 AM

#132286 RE: DimesForShares #132272

“These problems were commonplace in early editing techniques such as piggyBac and zinc fingers. They are more rare with Crispr/CAS.“

this is what i thought...that’s why i believed MS was just a hot mess and pretty much figured it was toast..i know kim said he figured out the problem and vietnam was the solution but i seriously doubted that...

i have been going on the belief that DS was developed with crispr/cas..i am not entirely sure of this but that is my working theory which is why i believed DS was not suffering from the same maladies as MS...

i think it was indicated that the army contract was not affected by the problem..i don’t see how that is possible if DS is suffering from contamination or whatever afflicted MS..

imo there is still no plan to make DS in vietnam...it is purely a U.S. thing...i could see fixing MS potentially taking longer than vietnam approval...

my random sunday thoughts..