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willyw

02/08/17 7:49 AM

#208860 RE: Rocky3 #208857

I wasn't surprised to see Gilead bid up through the day, and was even less surprised to see it drop after hours. Now premarket,(-6%) it is down further. It seems more obvious that it can only lose share in HCV, that the prices will come down, and that payers can comfortably withhold starts. Epclusa and the soon to be approved triple therapy will help, but one can see the trajectory of spending in HCV.
...What will happen with the approval of Abbvie's G/P?

This will be the only approved 8 week program, other than Harvoni for select groups. It will be the only pan-genotypic program.
Presumably, 8 weeks will cost less than 12 weeks of other programs, it won't require genotype testing, or the monitoring of labs like Zepatier requires. G/P is simple enough that it will be more suitable for medicare/ medicaid/ prison and mass payers. It will probably require the least amount doctor education/competency to get good results, whereas in the past treating the disease required specialists; no longer.

G/P could flip the prescriptions more than is expected. Harvoni was once the easiest to prescribe- G/P could replace that; no riba, shortest treatment, very low AE profile, pangenotypic; one treatment for all genotypes (non-cirrhotic naives). Gilead now only has an 8 week program in one genotype; G-1.(but to be fair, pretty competitive results in G-1)

So what happens in the USA when G/P is approved for G-1? That is coming soon, followed by all genotypes. I do not think this will bode well for GILD. What will their 2017 HCV revenues look like? IMHO, it could be worse than estimates.

What about Abbvie-Enta? So it seems that the cost of treatment is coming down, but look at the revenues that Gilead forecasts. There is still lots of money in HCV, and still lots of patients in the USA to be treated. The cost of treatment and market share will be interesting to watch. Gilead did not forecast much drop in pricing, but OTOH both GILD and Abbvie were surprised in the aggressive MRK discounting of Zepatier.
I can see why ENTA chose to not further develop their cyclophilin inhibitor. Treatments are too successful, and prices keep coming down.

The question may be whether others will decide to not develop further programs and how much pricing will be affected.
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jbog

02/08/17 7:51 AM

#208861 RE: Rocky3 #208857

Rocky,

The Moral of The Story is that Producing a Cure for a Disease is fantastic for the Patient, but not so for the Producer.

The Producers of these products shouldn't have spent their profits on Buybacks, Dividends etc but rather they should have acquired top echelon assets.
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zipjet

02/08/17 8:23 AM

#208863 RE: Rocky3 #208857

Not a total cliff, but ... more like a very steep hill.



as you wish ...

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Rocky3

05/02/17 5:40 PM

#211042 RE: Rocky3 #208857

HCV world-wide sales for 1Q17 and all of 2016:

--------1Q17---------------2016-------
GILD -2,576 - 76.2% - 14,834 - 79.77%
BMY - 162 - 6.3% - 1,578 - 8.49%
ABBV - 263 - 7.8% - 1,522 - 8.30%
MRK - 378 - 14.7% - 555 - 2.98%


TOTAL - 3,379 -- 18,595

So HCV WW market now at ~$13.5B run rate and decreasing quickly. Given GILD's maintained guidance, MRK comments on market future, and ABBV 2nd generation needing only 8 weeks for many patients, seems possible that 1Q18 run rate may be as low $10B. It looks like 2018 market for WW sales may be in the $8B or lower range, with future decreases coming.

Question raised as whether JNJ will continue develop or not, and how much market will be left for GILD and 2nd gen ABBV to fight for. Wildcard is size (and more importantly pricing) of the Chinese market. Also, 2Q17 scripts have stop fall compared to 1Q17, giving some hope that guidance is wrong. TWT.

JMO.