Tornado Alley (PROG)

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Oh, in mine there was no taking of sides. What is it you don't agree with in my

So in essence Jewish Zionists have gained the independent state promised to them, while
Palestinians are still fighting for the one promised to them. That's a fair summary, eh.
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which to me is more an unbiased simple statement of fact than your position of denying Israeli terrorism existed back then is.

Then there sortagreen's contribution which we have seen on the board before too: Again

If Israel had ever wanted peace, there would be no settlements in the West Bank and they'd be helping their neighbors build a nation.

Israel has never wanted peace. They've only wanted more.

Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country.

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Which is here, with more - https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

No, it is not me that is taking sides on the issue as much as you and others do. More the both sides here:

[...][You're right there Mr. Friedman, just you could have given Shimon Peres credit for saying it long ago. See:
brooklyn13, There are responses to attacks, and responses. I'll remind you of positions
of two very prominent and respected Israel leaders. One late, one still with us.
Ehud Barak blames Binyamin Netanyahu for “the greatest failure in Israel’s history”
[...]As Peres told them so many decades ago:
P - That is, Peres thinks that the Likud Party and its partners are living in a fool’s paradise if they believe they can annex the whole of Palestinian territory without getting the Palestinians as Israeli citizens eventually. And then, Peres says, no more Israel as a Jewish state.
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Reminder: Related: Ehud Barak: the military mast aring a US television interview last year that he would "probably" strive for nuclear weapons if he were in Iran's position.
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P - With more -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174402440
P - Only a sentence more here -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174402925
P - brooklyn13, We all feel Israel's pain. Just both Peres then and Barak now were and are able to have a much
more realistic look at it than you are willing to do. They as some of us here today also feel Palestinian pain.
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P - That would be madness in a time of peace. In a time of war — a low-grade three-front war that could become a high-grade three-front war any day — it is insane. Israel is increasingly alone, because what ally would want to partner with that agenda?
P - And that is why I agree with every word that former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote in Haaretz .. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-06-13/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-must-oust-its-failed-government-before-it-sinks-into-the-moral-abyss/00000190-1285-d621-abfa-5bb5e9840000 .. last Thursday: Israel faces “the most serious and dangerous crisis in the country’s history. It began on Oct. 7 with the worst failure in Israel’s history. And it continued with a war that, despite the courage and sacrifice of soldiers and officers, appears to be the least successful war in its history, due to the strategic paralysis in the country’s leadership.”
P - Israel, added Barak, a former army chief of staff, is “risking a multifront war that would include Iran and its proxies. And all this is happening while in the background the judicial coup continues, with its goal of establishing a racist, ultranationalist, messianic and benighted religious dictatorship.”
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