You guys still here? Jeeze...what have I missed besides the stock going from 0.50 to 0.09?

Has anyone discovered USSE with their break through revolutiuonary fuel yet?

Please tell me something to get excited about.

Ditto. Downside at this point is very limited. I will hang as well.

Thanks -- everything is AOK in the Tampa Bay area. We have some calls out to friends in the Central Florida and it appears they are safe as well.

Wechoose,

How are valuing the NAV of OSSG? Are you using a straight correlation between holdings and PPS, or are there any variables you factor into play?

Z, is that a TOS violation? LOL.

nanobacteria?

USEI leases there.

The brownish building is Pangea and the parking garage is part of USEI.

Wow -- good job on the board charts!!

I'll get more - I will still want to get over and have some pics of the office.

By the way, look at the Pangea office picture above. you may have to zoom in. In front of the landscape is a black landscape barrier with the name "Hughes" on it. Yeah, I think it's the same Hughes.

I will take that as a "yes" - if the IP satisfies a "need" that someone will pay money for (which we all believe it does), and is actually "protectable" IP (that we don't know), that could equate to significant "value".

PP: You are skirting the question. You are assuming in your answer that the patent "has no value", which is an unsupported presumption.

If all the research on the fuel is as stated and published, and there is patent protection, do you agree that it potentially has a tremendous value in the technology licensing market? If your answer to this question is other than an unqualified "yes", please explain your rationale.tx

PP: I presume you are at lunch. Do you agree with that statement or not?

PP - but you will agree that if there is patent protection here, coupled with a protectable trade secret, this could be worth a tremendous amount of money, even if they never produce a single drop of fuel?

3. Patent not granted, but attempt to keep trade secret process secret -- Coke did it, but protection only floes from keeping it a secret. Did you know that if anyone figured out the formula and process to make Coke, you could sell it and compete with them? You couldn't call it Coke (trademark) but anyone can research until they figure it out. Likewise, if there is a secret here - it better stay one.

2. the patent is granted: they have exclusive rights to mfg and sell fuel- contracts will be worth billions. Best case scenario. There is also the use of licensing to others to produce the fuel. That will not occur until patent is granted -- who will pay a license for something that may not be patentable and exclsuive?

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Sorry, I hit the wrong button and was not done.

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The KEY to success is the viability of the patent protection (which is apparently still in application stage), and the nature of any trade secret proprietary processes not disclosed in the patent that are intended to be kept trade secret. Please follow my logic here:

1. If the is no patent and no protected trade secret, the making of this fule can be done by anyone, including those multi-billion dollar petro companies that can dump a 100 million dollars on a plant in an instant and out compete a start-up. This is the worst case scenario.

2.Would it be reasonable to engage contractually for patent pending fuel that is not protectable? Would one wait to see if it is protecta

When was he offered billions for these patent rights?

They are pending applications. How, who, when?

I missed it. You moderators are too quick to the draw. Good/Bad? I don't know....

How about this...I will take everyone to dinner -- in Paris. Even you PP.

Can you imagine Google type prices for a stock like USSE? I'd buy a new computer or something...

Can anyone comment on the date you must be registered shareholder of USSE to get 1.3 ONYI?

PR says date of "closing" -- I presume of merger. If that is the case, my opnion is that in order to be on stock register, a sale within 3 days of that merger closing would cause you not to get the 1.3 split.

As we don't know the date of the "closing", a sale of USSE at this point may risk you not getting the split, assuming the "closing" occurs within 3 days of your repurchase. Comments? Am I seeing this correctly?

Ditto... Keep them coming. I also do not like the censored board. Without substantiated opposition, I'll end up brainwashing myself into believing my own crap.

They will try to change it back to USSE, assuming it is still available and not issued to some other company.

OT (thanks J): I believe that OSSG will merge with Pangea Ultima, change its name to Pangea Ultima and may trade publicly.

I may be wrong of course.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061129/20061129005546.html?.v=1

The Company also announced that it will merge with Pangea Ultima Corporation ("Pangea"). Pangea is a privately held company that comprises multiple public and private equities. Its portfolio will be combined with the Company's existing portfolio, which includes 120 million EarthFirst Technologies, Inc. (OTCBB:EFTI - News) common shares, 20 million Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (OTCBB:NNBP - News) common shares, and 20 million U.S. Energy Initiatives Corporation (OTCBB:USEI - News) common shares. The 10 million GIGcom shares will also be included in the above mentioned portfolio. Pangea Ultima will take over management of the post merger company.

"We are excited about the business plan of GIGcom and believe that it has tremendous opportunity as a stand alone business," commented John Stanton, Pangea's Chairman and CEO. "Pangea will continue to focus on fostering developmental companies that can add value to our dynamic portfolio of emerging growth companies," Stanton concluded.

Be aware that there was already a drop in the PPS after the announcement of the dividend last year, and we had many discussions on this board about valuations at that time. Bottom line: the PPS (post dividend) may already be reflected in the current PPS.

Z, no offense, if that were the case your continued posts of the DD on USSE would also be considered spam.

When I see your DD posts, I scan to make sure nothing new, then move on.

Why can't we just decide for ourselves without a censor?

Correction again: That is buying three days before "closing" in order to be a record holder.

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/070105/0200239.html

"Pursuant to the terms of the proposed definitive agreement, USSE shareholders will receive approximately 1.3 shares of Originally New York, Inc. common stock for each share of USSE held at the closing."

"Closing" can happen at ANY time. Therefore, the way I read it, you must be a record holder by at least three days before.

Correction - that will be the date the owners of record will be obtained to receive the shares, not the date of issue. Check the PR

Also, the date the ONYI merger is announced is the date the shares will be issued. So, if you buy today, and the merger is announced tommorow, you will not get shares (3 day wait). That is my reading of PR. Do your own.

Does I-Hub have an "ignore" feature? Wouldn't that be the best way to control unwanted posts rather than some form of censorship?

Look, I'm LONG USSE and in this for a good chunk of change, and there's nothing PP or anyone else is going to say to change that. However, I am more concerned with arbitrary censorship and would prefer to read all posts myself, with the discretion to decide what I find useful and what I find to be "spam".

I want to hear the doubt, along with the strengths. If we censor critics, then we are no better than them.

Don't forget this old one as well. I don't know if it is still applicable but maybe Z can comment.


http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060418/0123621.html


Press Release Source: U.S. Sustainable Energy Corp


U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation and Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Investigate Nanobacteria Link to Energy Production
Tuesday April 18, 2006 2:13 pm ET


"TAMPA, FL--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 18, 2006 -- U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation ("U.S. Sustainable" or "the Company") announced today that it is investigating and conducting joint research with Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. ("Nanobac") (OTC BB:NNBP.OB - News) on a possible connection between nanobacteria, or calcifying nano-particles, and its proprietary process for the production of biofuels from various biomass feedstocks using the Company's technologies.

The Company's technologies will include the rights to the certain patents and intellectual property rights currently contained in EarthFirst Technologies, Inc. (OTC BB:EFTI.OB - News).

* * * "

Many have been here for 2-3 months trying to unravel it all. USSE - OSSG - NNBP - USEI. It seems like such a short time but much research has been accomplished since November. It would be impractical to explain it to many of the new posters -- but it would certainly be worth their while to understand it.

Those that are interested go to the OSSG board and check out the corporate relationship charts.

Good luck!

I agree about OSSG and am trying to buy into more of their hard-to-get shares. There is good material on their board as well about all the connections between the companies.

Thanks somebody. That was a fill.

I think LeBon has already written about it, and we have seen it played out before. I think we are truly in the infancy of the cycle.