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Quote: Every day is one day closer to major success with SFRX. Looking forward to a bright and shiny future for SFRX.
Bullish
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A very simple question. When is that going to be. In the next century? So where's the treasure?
Quote: Sfrx finally admitted there's no treasure at Melbourne, but it's further out in sea.
I hope they find something at Juno, but I have my doubts. My shares are free from here on our. And I won't sell them , hopefully they can get profitable and just maybe find treasure somewhere .
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How many times have I stated they were wasting time on FLOTSAM. The actual wreck is miles away.
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Quote: Kind of undercuts their argument, but it is greatly appreciated.
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Remarkably, it now appears that the only two voices of counter opinion have been silenced.
Kind of like the Direct TV situation.
Congratulations.
Quote: I promise you, if the wreck is Spanish, which is a real likely hood, a compromise will be found especially if the wreck cannot be determined as a vessel of war.
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This continues to be a clown show. Always has been and probably always will be.
Based upon the statement, he's not aware of even further liability. Many times the artillery (cannons) aboard Spanish merchant ships were lent or leased to them by the Crown. If so, the ship can therefore be classified as a 'vessel of war'. That was determined at the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty formation in Paris, France in 1999 or 2000. Spain was quite emphatic about this.
All of this is nonsense anyway. No shipwreck found at Melbourne. FLOTSAM.
The Juno shipwreck. A 100 ft. ballast pile which according to the clown ringmaster contains billions in treasure. But oddly enough not one cannon. I posted this explanation before but it went right over their heads. There is more than one incident documented (AGI Spain) where a vessel was leaking badly and could not be repaired at sea. Sea conditions favorable, all cargo (treasure) anchors and artillery was transferred onto another vessel/vessels. The Juno wreck fits that scheme perfectly. No artillery, no treasure, no anchors with the exception of the one she was riding on when all this occurred. All likelihood she was SCUTTLED.
Oh, but maybe I need to rethink all of this considering the billions in treasure, and probably the artillery are five miles away from the ballast pile as some have implied. Oh, but then there's the treasure is under the worm poop theory. I guess that would also include the perhaps 30 to 40 imaginary cannons as well.
Tell me this isn't the most classic clown show you've ever seen in the world of shipwreck treasure hunting. The excuses are only going to get better.
Tell me thi
Oh no SME, I absolutely want to discuss it and it IS relevant when the ship is identified.
I believe we have had this circular debate for years. What Twiddle Doom fails to recognize Quote: and you too when discussing OMEX and Spain, THEY LIED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AS WELL AS THEIR OWN.
I know you hate this next one too; reasonable entities can come to equitable solutions. The problem with OMEX and all the other yahoos in the industry is they start most, if not all, negotiations with a lie. Not a great way to build trust.
I promise you, if the wreck is Spanish, which is a real likely hood, a compromise will be found especially if the wreck cannot be determined as a vessel of war.
Sorry, grown ups win this one.
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This is undoubtedly the best fantasy land comment I have ever read. Are you actually serious? Yes indeed you are a perfect fit for SFRX. Stay where you are.
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Re: wlfr01 post# 70792
Thursday, March 02, 2023 11:43:54 AM
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Aaah, the OMEX model. Worry about……
legal rights AFTER you locate a wreck.
Spoken like a novice.
You’re a good fit with SFRX.
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I just read his comment again along with your reply. It goes beyond comprehension that such a novice statement could even be made. Power for the course for SFRX and the cheerleading squad.
Quote; There will be plenty of time to debate UNESCO after there has been a shipwreck found worth salvaging. Until then, talk of UNESCO is just a distraction, but I think you already knew that.
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How very wrong you are. Understand that in the case of Florida, as I said, UNESCO is not an issue.
........and no it's not a distraction. Obviously something you prefer not to hear.
Quote: Kyle’s latest comments were something like, SFRX can’t ID the wreck, so how could Spain?
FWIW, I actually don’t think UNESCO is the nail in the coffin for salvaging Spanish vessels. The Bahamas is an example. They considered what Allen X is/was salvaging to be their property, not Spain’s.
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Of course SFRX; cannot ID the wreck. As you and I know they have never found it. No wreck just flotsam.
With regard to the Bahamas and Allen, the difference is that the Bahamas have not ratified the UNESCO treaty. Even so, all that Allen has recovered from the Maravillas he has donated to the government - no division. The same applies to Colombia. Even though they too have not ratified the UNESCO treaty they are not allowing division on the intended salvage of the deep water San Jose galleon.
For a companies such as SFRX its a no go issue. Particularly SFRX as they don't qualify in the requirements of any host country who don't accept inexperienced amateurs.
Quote: Why bother discussing UNESCO when you experts have declared you are correct. Nothing said here will change your mind, so why waste time arguing.
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Clearly, you are evading the question. The nails in the lid of the coffin for the future of treasure hunting in the countries who have ratified the UNESCO Treaty. Respective to Spanish galleon shipwreck treasure it's a dead duck future but SFRX and the cheerleaders choose to stay in denial. Just isn't very helpful for selling stock.
As to Reynolds his previous achievements are to be respected I would agree but getting back to that old 'bottom line', achievement and results, both of which are totally lacking.
Quote; Thanks for posting LB Toon. Great information including Tim Reynolds sharing his bonafide technology background and experience, which our arm chair experts are fond of discounting and/or ridiculing because, you know....armchair technologists. So you either have to believe our experts, which would mean that whole interview was nothing but lies, or you can believe SFRX is legit. I for one am waiting for things to pop. Onward and Upward!
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First of all, I'm not a armchair technologist. Secondly, I never implied that the interview was nothing but lies but rather a obvious exposure of naiveness and lack of experience in application of remote sensing surveys and actually 'proofing' anomalies and making identification of Spanish Colonial Period shipwrecks. Common sense dictates that performance and achievement are the bottom line. With this company there is no 'bottom line'. It's all talk and no show.
A question for you Whaoo98. Why is it that you and other cheerleaders here totally avoid any intelligent comment regarding the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty? Knowing anything about its content you would understand that treasure hunting for Spanish shipwreck's in particular is a dead industry. Nonnegotiable. This subject is avoided like the plague by the SFRX know it all's and swept under the carpet. Of course Florida is not yet subject to this but, as proven with Global Marine, they adhere to the concepts of the treaty. A pissing in the wind situation.
Quote: Just think, if they got Spain’s permission they could tell the FBAR to take a hike.
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Spain is never going to work with treasure hunters. They were therein ramrod for ushering in the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty which I assure you very few stockholders posting here have ever read. Overall this is a dead industry respective to Spanish treasure wrecks. I find it most amusing how all these brilliant know it all's avoid this subject like the plague.
Furthermore, the academic community - host countries that would perhaps entertain issuance of exploration / salvage contracts, frown upon the naive SFRX concept of we scan a wreck site 'to go for the gold' thus avoiding methodical excavation of the entire site. Nice for stockholders but not for host country ministry's of culture. It's near inconceivable that SFRX should be so foolish so as to portray themselves this way. The answer is quite simple. They lack experience. They've never done it. Amateurs.
Yes, I listened to the interview 'the blind leading the blind' with a lot of statements of misrepresentation by the CEO but for him that's nothing new.
Quote ;I believe they have found treasure & are simply marketing their tech in the meantime. Why would they recover it & lose it? Without all proper permits in place SFRX would suffer the same consequences as OMEX vs.Spain?
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I seriously doubt that.
How does one market tech for which there is no proof whatsoever that it even works?
Quote Something to ponder.. according to Patrick Bet-David (famous entrepreneur), there's 3 levers you can pull to achieve orders of magnitude growth in your business.
-New tech
-New innovative marketing campaign
-New leadership team members
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Certainly sound advise for achievement.;
In the case of SFRX they have 'new tech.' for which there is no factual evidence proving it even works. It's years now. Furthermore they have no 'product' to market meaning to date they have never found a shipwreck, have never worked a shipwreck and have never found treasure.
Respective to 'leadership team members' - obviously bright and innovative guys but so so naive. To anyone of experience its obvious they know next to nothing about Spanish Colonial period shipwrecks or the processes involved in doing proper research, analysis and application of remote sensing surveys.
Bottom line is time will tell but none should not hold their breath while waiting.
Quote; Make a plan for Monday to spread & get the word out. SFRX is about to go! This company is amazing!
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Amazing for what? Please explain. Be explicit.
Quote: No worries. Just pointing out that Tim Reynolds is in fact correct, and he is. Now back to the ballast pile, maritime law, two days and all that jazz!
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So I believe what you mean is back to the routine bullshit.
Quote: You might want to also look up consumed/consumption up in a dictionary, my friend. What do you think corrosion is? What do you think deterioration is? If you dropped a 1 lb. silver bar in the ocean and retrieved it 500 years later, would it still be 1lb. once all the corrosion were removed? It is you who is not correct.
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It's really amusing how some people will go to extremes trying to pick the rye out of the horse shit. Let it go.
No I wasn't wrong. I've recovered silver coins and partook in the cleaning processes.
con·sume | k?n'so?om |
verb [with object]
eat, drink, or ingest (food or drink): people consume a good deal of sugar in drinks.
• buy (goods or services).
• use up (a resource): these machines consume 5 percent of the natural gas in the U.S.
• (especially of a fire) completely destroy: the fire spread rapidly, consuming many homes.
• (usually be consumed) (of a feeling) absorb all of the attention and energy of (someone): Carolyn was consumed with guilt.
Quote; Quick question for our expert. Does salt water corrode silver over time (whether 10 or 300 years)? You might want to look up the word eventually in the dictionary. Was Tim Reynolds correct? its rhetorical.
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Reynolds was not correct. Silver will corrode (sulfide) but is not consumed as he stated. I have seen centuries old silver coins come out of the ocean looking like they were just minted while others are badly sulfided / deteriorated, all coming out of a same area of recovery. Most silver coins are processed in an electrolytic bath which removes superficial black corrosion. Considering the fact that SFRX has never found Silver coin treasure, what would they know.
Quote; SFRX affiliates don't appreciate skeptics holding SFRX's.....
claims to account, but they rush to hold the claims of others to account.
It's fun to watch and gonna be a fun year.
FYI....Timmy and the Empire Builder chit chat is about to begin.
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What a crock of 'you know what' interview. Reynolds should stay with trying to make his toy work and shut his mouth on everything else. I could cite multiple errors in his comments but the best one was the 'everything is consumed except the gold'. As for Mel Fisher's Atocha discovery; hundreds of silver bars and a couple hundred thousand silver coins, not to mention silver artifacts all submerged for three and a half centuries. Then for another example there was Webber's discovery of the 1641 Concepcion with over 60,000 silver coins and silver artifacts recovered. Many, many more examples. He also fails to mention that the Timmy Toy doesn't find wrecks. It's suppose to scan a wreck site. For anyone in the know, his comments were more harmful than good.
Viewing the CEO sitting there, I doubt he's missed any meals lately.
Quote You must hold them to the same standard as SFRX, ground truth the evidence. I am skeptical, and BTW, I have heard similar pitches that came up with a nothing burger.
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Knowing the source of this, it is a 'nothing burger' as is the Timmy Toy.
Quote You mean proven by the same people who never noticed the massive teredo crust on the site? Those are the people you are using as so-called "proof"?
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I have dove on Spanish Colonial period shipwrecks in Florida, Bahama and Caribbean waters. I have seen timbers that were subject to heavy teredo worm activity along with their secretions. Never had I ever seen a ballast pile heavily blanketed over with that kind of secretion crust. A bunch of pure bull. The 1622 Atocha and Margarita wreck sites are very good examples. This teredo worm crap nonsense will well serve SFRX as an excuse for a long time coming while the nice well meaning 'egg heads' produce impressive company videos and the CEO continues to rake in a grand a day in salary.
Quote Holy smolley!!! Enjoying the possibilities!! Of course I own shares!! I also am speechless over the ignore button!!!!! Can't believe I had never tried it!!!! Jmo
Bullish
BULLISH
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'Bullshitish' is more like it.
Yes, by now all know you do own shares.
Sometimes truth can really hurt. Keep hitting that 'ignore button'.
Quote: Industry (mis)leading recovery process?
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A most absurd statement they made. Even worse than the UNPROVEN claims of what the Timmy Toy is suppose to do. 'Leading recovery process'. Recovery of what? As stated, they've never found a shipwreck, never excavated a shipwreck and, of course, have never found treasure. In reality its pathetic but then one has to look at it this way, hot air balloon profits is what it's all about.
Progress continues to be made at SFRX!!!
Tonnage, not trinkets!
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All very empty words.
If one is looking for hot air balloon profits SFRX is the right stock. Otherwise it's a total bla, bla, bla failure in every sense of the word.
Quote: It’s obviously not event driven, such as…..
proving to the world the tech works.
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Precisely. 'Its obviously not event driven'. Numerous times I have posted here describing the process of doing simulation tests in a colonial shipwreck environment, with targets (non-ferrous metals) being buried within and around the wreck site but unknown to the Timmy Toy survey team. If these tests were performed and proven successful, I would venture the stock would already be well over a penny. There appears that there are some intelligent (though inexperienced) people working with SFRX. They must certainly know this. But then why no actual simulated field tests on a shipwreck site? The answer is obvious. Take your choice. Inexperience / incompetence or the Toy just doesn't do what it's suppose to do. I choose the latter.
Quote: But the game hasn’t changed, and The Baer admitted it. The mag locates the iron, divers do verification, then you bring in Timmy’s Toy.
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I have respect for Baer but he's a 'on site' marine archaeologist. Not a emote sensing survey specialist. He certainly understands that the magnetometer is the survey 'work horse' that gets you to the wreck site, contrary to what some of the naive posters here believe.
Baer also knows very well that the CEO's treasure evaluations are pure bull but he's a paid contract archaeologist so he's going to either remain silent or 'bend' just so far. Know that he cringes using the word treasure but that's what the CEO wants.
When SFRX puts some "treasure" on the deck located by SeaSearcher, very few will care about a $15B valuation and taking just 2 days to scan a location. I might give it a thought on the way to the bank, however, until that happens, feel free to post about it, over, and over, and over again
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Always that classic word 'when'.
So in other words are you saying that just as long as one is making money, lies don't matter?
Quote: Yeah, why would it matter if Kyle……
made up a whopper of a tale about MFT and a $15B valuation on Juno, as long as folks are making money, including Kyle?
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That may be called FRAUD.
Such vessels are suspected treasure laden vessels, with potentially hundreds of millions of dollars a piece on board, of suspected gold, coins, silver along with many other valuable artifacts.
https://www.accesswire.com/738493/treasure--shipwreck-recovery-announces-new-season-recovery-first-revenues-and-plans
This will be fun to watch.
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Obviously, SFRX isn't the only circus in town.
Toooooo funny!
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How right you are.
Everything SFRX ever does is Tooooo funny.
Hot air balloon rides is their specialty.
Treasure hunting - treasure finding? Move on folks. Nothing to see here.
Quote: What advice was given? Be specific…..
TIA
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IT IS MY OPINION that when this 'show up or shut up' drama forthcoming is concluded, this whole show is going to flop down hard right on its ass. Few if any excuses accepted.
Caution bloated in profit balloon riders, have your parachutes ready.
Quote: There’s NO DISCLAIMER by SFRX that this is false. None whatsoever.
So a newbie goes over and checks out the website, and sees the Henegar promotion and listens to Kyle’s promo, and what does the newbie do with that so called false info?
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I'd love to have publication rights for a book covering all of this. The longest running treasure hunting clown show in the modern day history of the business. And so many, in spite of knowing, portray themselves as 'intellectually' serious about this circus. What a story.
This is so very similar to a once-upon-a-time company called Admiralty Corporation who, (just like the Timmy Toy with SFRX) came to theme itself as 'scientific' with the development of their see all, know all technology named Atlas I, and then second generation Atlas II developed by two egg heads with high degrees and credentials. They hung out that dangling carrot and sucked in millions of dollars over time and the bottom line was a big flop failure.
Just a matter of time.
Twiddle Doom is soooo bad with facts....
It is mind boggling
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In contrast to you never having any facts.
QUOTE: I'm Up 30% last year so I'm not complaining about any stocks I own shares in. Jmo
Bullish
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100% hot air balloon profits on a 100% failure of a company.
I wonder why when I saw them pop the Chinese balloon SFRX came to mind.
....and we always fail.to note that MFG NEVER had issues with BAR.
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO APPLES TO APPLES!!
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Who are you addressing? I NEVER said they did.
If SFRX wants new investors, why aren’t they showing data instead of making questionable claims about Mel Fisher’s Treasures?
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EXACTLY
The Timmy Toy panic is palpable. The permit……
is coming and the clock will start.
Will it only take a weekend, or near two decades to find the “alleged” $15B?
Grabbing more popcorn.
Who’s gonna be left standing when the music stops?
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Yes, show and tell time. I'm looking forward to it. I don't think more bullshit will carry this much further. As I previously stated a 'fall flat on you ass' forthcoming.
Quote: Didn't it take Mel Fischer 14 years to find the Atocha?
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It seems that inevitably you fall back onto the same excuse. The major difference was that Fisher had already achieved success recovering treasure on 1715 wrecks and later on 1733 wrecks in the Florida Keys. And, yes, eventually he found the 1622 Atocha but finding treasure all the way. Although I personally don't approve his methods, he was a experienced veteran in contrast this SFRX CEO who has proven himself to be a three ring circus master. The clown of clowns.
Quote: I invest in GREAT companies which is why I invested in SFRX.
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Please enlighten me and others. How is SFRX a great company? So just because you and others have made hot air balloon profits 'it's a great company'
SFRX is a total failure as a treasure hunting company having never ever found one shipwreck in near two decades. Never worked a shipwreck, never found treasure and the new 'we're a high tec. company now doesn't hold much water either. No verifiable proof / evidence the Timmy Toy does much of anything but, hey, it sure looks good cosmetically.
By the way, just loved that lecture about cannon balls. That's all? Are they kidding?
I find it amazing this company is still going, running on just hot air B.S. with no substance, but the day's coming when its going to fall flat on its ass. Oh yes, a great company.
Quote: Kyle later admitted they didn’t know if the wreck or treasure was even there.
How could a professional makes such an amateurish mistake?
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Because he's not a professional, never has been. An amateur indeed. It's evident he hasn't learned anything in going on two decades in the business. As long as they can continue pumping hot air into the ole balloon and stockholders are making money, how cares about actual shipwrecks and treasure (something they know nothing about).
Quote: That is great news and why everyone (shareholders) are so excited!!!
Kick ASS!!!
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Just remembering you're on a hot air balloon ride. In reality no substance. A company of total failure in every aspect. Remember how to pull the ripcord on the parachute.