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But I do thank you for the name of the restaurant group.
And yes, ok, I do see where, as fly stated, that the address for this group is the same as the address for Beebe.
Here is the link:
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Mary-Esther/30a-restaurant-group-inc-4731617.aspx
As for the story that doggone relayed...once again, that is just hearsay.
If a person is going to tell a story like that, they are going to have to prove it. If someone took a chainsaw to a bar in a restaurant, I would think that there would be some type of report somewhere about it.
Please understand....I am not asking anything of you all that I would not also demand for myself. I would NEVER post something like that...or anything about anyone on a public message board without being darn sure that I would have the link or the phone number or SOMETHING to PROVE it!
avdave, you, of anyone, are the best at providing proof. I might not always agree with you, but I do respect that about you.
avdave,
The only thing that I know for sure is that the company that bought Global E-Telecomm was eventually itself bought out by Sage Software. Now I don't have to do any DD on Sage Software because I use one of their products....BusinessWorks.
Sage also owns Peachtree Software which perhaps more non-accounting type people have heard about.
Here is the link for Sage Software.
http://www.sagesoftware.com
Now maybe YOU can try and convince me that a company like Sage would end up buying a "scam" company, but it just ain't gonna fly with me.
I LOVE BusinessWorks!!!! And have you ever tried the MAS 90?
It's for the larger businesses. Totally iced!
Here is the link for Global E-Telecomm. Where does it appear to be a scam? OH! And thanks for telling us who started it!
http://www.globaletelecom.com
Gee,
Sounds like a plot for a horror flick!
Can we title it....."The Bar Chainsaw Massacre?"
Nite all!
Or are you talking about THIS one from the EPA?
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15646
Global E-Telecomm has a lot to do with PRGL. Why? Because people tend to leave trails. The history of a person's actions and accomplishments usually doesn't change. So, tell me, who helped to found Global E-Telecomm? What happened to the company? Who bought it out?
Now I've seen talk about a failed restaurant. But with the little research I did on the matter, I found out something very interesting. There IS a John Beebe in Florida who owns a restaurant, but it's not PRGL's John Beebe. It's a different John Beebe. Now that doesn't mean that PRGL's John Beebe never owned a restaurant, but I find no mention of it in PRGL's John Beebe's resume.
Now I'm confused.
Are you talking about THIS permit??? From what I can see, it's from the State of Alabama.
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15569
LOL! Touche, ponty.
Seriously, if PRGL was my only holding and if all of my money depended on what PRGL did, I would be investigating it to the hilt. But it's not. And I'm doing so well in most of my other stock holdings, that what PRGL does or does not do is just not that big a deal to me personally. So, no, it's not worth my time to investigate it the way that you are.
I just got tired of seeing accusation after accusation after accusation against PRGL with NOTHING substantial to back up those accusations.
But if I truly wanted to (which I decided that I don't), I would have already made a trip to both Alabama and to Utah and believe me, I would have already talked to lots of people.
At one point, I seriously toyed with the idea of doing just that....but then I asked myself, "Why?" I wouldn't get paid for it....and it wouldn't make any difference in the eventual stock price, so why bother?
The only thing that it would satisfy is my own curiosity. And I decided that I'm just not that curious. Time will tell on this company.
P.S. I assume that since you're doing so much DD that you have heard of Global E-Telecom. Was that a scam? Who founded it? What happened to the company?
Pontalba,
I don't know. It's not my job to know....and furthermore, I don't really care. If you're saying that they didn't apply for one, then once again, just post the phone number and the name of the person who works in the Permit Department that you spoke with and let us verify it.
And sure, I COULD spend hours and hours and hours checking up on all of this myself....but I don't want to. Since you are obviously spending all this time without getting paid, I would rather just have you post the verification so that if anyone felt like it, they could easily call and verify for themselves.
I don't know. What problem?
Just enough to wonder about the fish.
3. NATIONAL POLLUTION DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM (NPDES)
Issuing Agency: Department of Environmental Management
1751 Congress W.L. Dickinson Drive
Montgomery, AL 36130
(334)271-7958
Statutory Reference:
Regulatory Reference:
Activities Covered: All direct discharge from a processing plant, cold water or
warm water fish producers that discharge at least 30
days/year, report such discharges and apply for a
discharge permit. Exemptions: production limits of up to
100,000 lbs/warm water species, 20,000 lbs./cold water,
maximum feeding rate of 5,000 lbs. of feed during any
month or closed ponds which discharge only during
periods of excess runoff.
fly,
I respect anyone's right to do their own DD and to keep it private. When one goes to the trouble of finding out information on their own, one does not have any obligation to share. But that's only if they keep it private.
BUT...if one posts that information on a public message board, then one has, IMO, a duty to post links and names and phone numbers and e-mail addresses, etc etc to verify what it is they have gathered.
And BTW, thanks for the defense on the name-calling, but it honestly didn't bother me. I just kind of laughed. I wasn't sure if I was being called a man or a dyke, but either label on me is totally hilarious....as any man I've ever been involved with could gladly verify. LOL!
I don't know. Who is Stephanie Nelson?
You're not talking about the 18 year old lifeguard in Rockford, IL, are you? :)
I did google it.
The phone number of the Covington County Economic Development is (334)222-7040. Their e-mail address is:
ccedc@alaweb.com
Here is a link to the website with all of the board members names.
http://www.southalabamaed.com/index4fe6.html?view=196,197,198,199
So....what you're saying is that if somebody were to call that number and talk with any of the people named in the above link, that they would be told that Perihelion Global is a scam. Interesting.
Prove it honey.
Post a phone number AND some names, where anyone who wanted to verify that could call and check for themselves.
Thank you for admitting that you were the one to use that term.
BUT, you tried to make it appear as though it was the college official that had written that note.
Do you see why it is so important to demand verification of anything that is put on these boards?
Man,
You guys are treading on some dangerous waters.
There is no college official anywhere that would use the words "bogus engineering firm" in a reply. No way.
And furthermore, you all are making fun of Patrick LaRive's credentials, yet according to the article found in this link, written by a Denyse Clark, of THE HERALD, in Rock Hill, SC, written on June 25, 2003, Mr. LaRive is a former NASA design engineer with a PHD in mechanical engineering. How does that make his firm a "BOGUS engineering firm?"
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-122309749.html
Ok,
So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the denial came from Mr. Alberts himself.
So....you're saying that if a person were to e-mail Mr. Alberts directly at jerrya@clemson.edu, that they would receive a reply from that e-mail address verifying that the whole quote was a fabrication. So you're saying that if a person were to call (864)656-5663 and were to speak with Mr. Jerry L. Alberts directly, that he would verify what was just put on the boards. That he would state that he NEVER said that quote.
Is that what I'm understanding you to be saying?
P.S. You're right...I would NEVER trust a pasted e-mail. That is NOT a direct verification. What I posted above would be a direct verification.
Then PROVE it!!!!
Give me a name, an e-mail address, a phone number...anything to substantiate that serious accusation.
Don't expect a person to believe something just because it's written on the boards. Provide back-up, provide substantiation. Provide something where anyone who wanted to could verify for themselves.
jh,
Back when I used to post in detail about different companies, I ALWAYS included the name of the person that I spoke with and the phone number where they could be reached so that if anyone doubted what I said on the boards, they could call for themselves and verify what I had written.
In this case, I would think that a name and the e-mail address of the Clemson official who wrote that grammatically incorrect message would not be too much to ask. I do know that the name and e-mail address in the PR was for a Jerry L. Alberts, jerrya@clemson.edu.
There was also a detailed quote from Mr. Alberts. Here it is:
Jerry L. Alberts, Senior Director of Corporate & Foundation Relations,
Clemson
University stated, "Today, Clemson University is redefining the term
'top-tier research university' by combining the best of two models: the
scientific and technological horsepower of a major research university and the
highly engaged academic and social environment of a small college. As the
land-grant university of South Carolina, Clemson University desires to create an
unmatched climate for collaboration, and a driven, competitive spirit that
encourages
faculty, staff and students to embrace bold, sometimes audacious goals.
Certainly, bio-fuel research is a key area to explore for the economic
growth as well as providing stability for our country's fuel resources and
economy."
Adds Alberts, "I welcome the opportunity to bring Clemson University, Planet
Earth
Engineering and Perihelion Global together to continue our research
initiatives such as bio-fuel research. Corporate partnerships are key to
Clemson University's continued climb to become a Top 20 university. Clemson and
its
corporate partners understand what it takes to be a top research university
and what Clemson's success will mean for students and for society."
I find it VERY difficult to believe that the whole quote stated above was made up. Now then, perhaps Clemson, after delving further into the matter, rejected the researh. I could buy into that.....but just to say that the whole thing was made up? I think that sounds unlikely.
Pennimon,
Working nonstop 365 days per year, if the plant only produced 250 gallons per day, that would be 91,250 gallons per year.
Now those are the figures you just gave.
HOWEVER, I and anyone else who listened to the first conference call heard with our own ears Lamar saying that the plant...in its present state is capable of producing 12 to 20 million gallons of fuel per year.
One of you is wrong. I'm assuming here that you are calling Lamar a liar. But why would he lie? He is the one who could get in big trouble with the SEC giving such outrageous claims.
You, on the other hand, don't have anything to lose by giving your projections. Why should we believe you and not Lamar, the person who is actually on-site and is actually running the plant.
Why should we believe those who keep saying that the plant is a mickey mouse operation when I (and all others who listened to the conference call) heard the company people say that the plant is state of the art. Just curious.
dj,
Thanks! Caught your message just before signing off. I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only one who sees signs of hope in any progress that is made.
And if we're wrong....so be it. There are things out in the world a whole lot more important than any one company.
And if we're right...then that'll be good too!
I really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks! Later.
True, have to admit that you're right about that. But I've seen too many press releases from all sorts of companies that fall short of their stated goals. I don't know that much about the SEC, but common sense would seem to dictate that if the company is moving towards it's goals that the SEC would not do much but watch. There are soooo many companies out there and so few SEC people. Waste of taxpayer dollars to go after a company that would not be able to pay the fines. And besides, there is an attorney specializing in SEC work on file, and a former IRS person as well.
Trust me on this one Pontalba.....those two would know how to walk the walk and talk the talk with the agencies. I know this because *I" still know how to do it...and it has been years since I worked for IRS.
Also, are you really the bunny rabbit on RB? I see my name mentioned on there sometimes. If you are the bunny, that is cute! :)
NEGATIVE ACTIVITY ON PRGL PAST TWELVE MONTHS:
1) The stock price s-ucks!
2) No Canadian dividend
3) No BB listing
4) Reverse split
POSITIVE ACTIVITY ON PRGL PAST TWELVE MONTHS:
1) Initial biofuel plant has been erected and permits and EPA status has been or is being completed.
2) Road to mining area has been completed.
There have been other developments as well, but those are the two main ones.
I don't believe the statements posted on here stating that only a 4 wheel drive Jeep can navigate that road. If true, that would be beyond ridiculous and would make no sense. I would only believe that statement if I either saw some sort of documentation from the UTAH highway dept or if I saw it with my own eyes. Not even a picture would convince me as the picture could be from anywhere.
In any case, the fact that progress is being made...no matter how slowly....and that stated goals are being carried out...once again, no matter how slowly....convinces me that PRGL is not and has never been a scam. Nothing that anybody can say can convince me of that since I can see for myself that permits have been obtained in Alabama and that claims have been made in Utah.
And I think that it's an utter waste of time to be talking about SEC and FBI and IRS because they will be seeing the same things that I'm seeing. But to each his/her own, I guess.
AND since I'm former IRS myself, I know how the insides work.
AND since Beebe has on staff a former IRS person (who was much higher up in the chain than I was) and an attorney specializing in SEC work....the thought that professionals such as these would not have crossed every "i" and dotted every "t" is ludicrous to me.
And do you have ANY idea how many complaints IRS gets every day? Jeez, I used to handle a small minute number of them and even then....just me....just one person...would still see about 20 per week....
I don't know...I just look at all the caterwauling on here and shake my head. Look, I'm every bit as dismayed and disappointed about the share price and the reverse split as any person on here. But I keep saying over and over...progress is being made....goals are SLOWLY being reached. As long as that is taking place...it is too soon to throw in the towel on PRGL. And any activity that anybody on here partakes to divert PRGL's attention from doing its business simply takes money from MY pocket. And from your pocket as well.
I know that this won't change anyone's mind, but just wanted to say it. Meanwhile, I think that we all will be looking forward to that july 8th conference call!
bike,
I didn't have a memory of avdave posting that website, but since it was on Nov 9th (the day after my husband died), I can see where it slipped by me. And a year ago I didn't own this stock so it slipped by me then as well.
However, in looking at the one that goacs posted, one sees that some new claims were filed in April of 2008.
So....once again, I see progress (or at least positive activity). I know that I will probably sound like a broken record, but as long as I see that, I will not give up hopes for this stock.
goacs,
Thanks for the instructions on how to navigate through the link that you posted. I would've been technologically challenged otherwise. Thanks so much!
avdave,
What a GREAT example that goacs just gave. Now THAT is something that I consider to be official!!!!
That is something that I can believe. I don't believe much of anything that is posted on this board unless an official link can be posted to back it up.
When you posted about the Burr/Foreman lawsuit, now THAT I believed, because you backed it up with the papers that were filed.
But when somebody says, "Well, I talked with so-and-so and he/she said such and such".....Nope, I get very skeptical.
Nope,
That's not what I meant. Those are just PR's. I read them with a jaded eye. As far as I'm concerned, PR's are not official unless they have some type of legal document or contract to back them up.
Eddie,
Thank you for the offer, but I shall decline, and here is why.
I seem to have the gift/curse of usually (not always, but usually) being able to establish an immediate rapport with whomever I'm talking.
I think it's because I genuinely care about people and it somehow seems to come through sometimes. For example, if I were to talk with you, my immediate questions and interest would be in how your wife was doing. That's what's really important, as I'm sure you know. I'd probably end up telling you about my Dad and going through with him what you're going through with your wife.
THEN, I'd get to the business questions. And by then, you and I would be buddies, (because I'm sure that I'd like you) and then I'd be no good whatsoever in making any kind of detached business decision. So that's why I no longer make calls. When I'm dealing with money, I like to keep the emotion out of it if possible. And your TV show could possibly affect my money. Nor would I call Beebe and ask him for his side because of the same type reasons that I just gave you. I'd rather just see it in print. Not the he said/she said type of print....but something official.
Thanks fly!! Yes, that was the link that I was trying to get to work. For some reason it wouldn't show the report. I'm glad that it's working when you posted it!
For John Yellich, the only thing that is CURRENT that I could find out about him was his home phone number, which I'm certainly not going to post on here.
However, there was a lot of stuff from back in the 90's. Apparently he's been associated as a geologist with more than one company, the latest one (that I could find) was with Maxam Gold Corporation. That name rings a bell with me. Anyone heard of it?
So, yes, John Yellich is definitely a geologist. Once again, that doesn't prove whether he's any good or not, but he's definitely a geologist. I gathered from looking at some of the old stuff that he must be 63 years old right now......the latest dates I could find out anything about him was in 2006 and there it mentioned his geological report with Perihelion and also his association with Maxam Gold. I went to the Maxam gold website, but didn't see his name anywhere. But 2006 was two years ago so he could've retired. Who knows?
LOL!! Wait a minute, wait a minute.
I'm only going to research what I want to research. I'm not taking requests here. Now if y'all want to PAY me, now then that'll be a different story.
But I did find out some stuff on Dr. Yung S. Kim. No links, just little blurbs. He is a geologist, or he was...looks as though he's retired now, but he edited a book back in 1988 about gold and silver. You can find it on Amazon, but it's out of print now.
Looks as though he was somehow affiliated with the Nevada Institute in Technology in Las Vegas and possibly UNLV (the University of Nevada) as well.
Now that doesn't show whether he's any good or not, but at least he's a geologist. Now then, for those of you calling the Bureau of Land Mines or the BLM, ask them about the two reports that Dr. Kim filed with them, first in 1983 and then in 2000. These reports on the Saturday Night Mine were filed with the BLM in Salt Lake City, Utah and the US Department of Interior in Salt Lake City, Utah, AND the Utah Division of Oil, Gas & Mining in Salt Lake.
There ya go. Three places for y'all to call. The information about the places where the reports were filed came from the Perihelion Global press release...so it will be a way for anyone to verify that as well. According to the press release, the mine claim is Patent Claim Number 5797.
It should be easy enough to verify with the BLM if that patent claim number actually exists.
AND ASK ABOUT THOSE TWO REPORTS FILED IN 1983 and 2000 by Dr. Yung Sam Kim. That's for anyone who wants to call and ask.
Now then, the THIRD report, the one done by Jasty Enterprises in 2006 was done by a John Yellich. Let's see what I can find about him!
But there IS a geological report on the Saturday Night Mine.
Now let me qualify this and say that the report was done in early 2006 before Perihelion owned the mine. The geological report was done when Patrick LaRive was the owner. Now some would say that since the report was done under a different owner, that makes the report no longer valid.
But my viewpoint is this.....the owners might be different, but the LAND is still the same. The report was done on the LAND, not the owners. So why would different owners change anything on the land????
Anyway, for some reason I can not get the link to the report to work, but I can tell anyone where to find it.
Go to www.pinksheets.com. Type in PRGL. When you get there, click on filings. Under filings, there are two pages. The geological report is found on the second page. It's an information statement and it's dated January 3, 2007. The report was done by Jasty Enterprises out of Colorado.
I guess the next question would be is the geologist who did the report reputable? I don't know. I'll go see what I can find out about him. Hopefully any links will work.
Ok, back to what I was doing before I came back on here.
Toodles!
fly,
Yep, and there's your answer as to why gold has never been PRODUCED from that area yet.
Doesn't mean that it won't be produced in the future though now does it?
Either it will be or it won't be. I guess we'll find out.
Vipont Mine
Copper Mountain Mine
Tecoma Hill Mine
All located in Box Elder County Utah and all containing gold.
And you know what? This is so dumb of me. Me doing research to find that indeed Box Elder County has gold doesn't do one whit for the company or the stock price.
I just enjoy doing research. Hate phone calls though.
OT: Box Elder County Utah Trivia Question.
What historical feat of gigantic proportions took place on May 10, 1869 in Box Elder County Utah???
Hint: Anyone ever heard of Promontory Point?
Ok, here is the link where it shows that Box Elder County has gold. Look at the bottom of the list. Mainly in the Grouse Creek area. I find it hard to fathom that the people in Box Elder County have never heard of the gold in Grouse Creek or in Park Valley. But then, they probably just weren't aware of it. Believe it or not, a 5th grader asked me today where the capital of the Confederacy was located. Duh! It's the city that she lives in!!!! Unbelievable!!!
http://www.xmission.com/~jbdaniel/boxelder.htm
Boatman,
Producing gold and having gold are two different things. Box Elder County definitely has gold and in my next post I'll post the link to prove it.
Technology has improved so much over the past 50 years that many times gold that was unmineable, now is. I'm not saying that is the case with PRGL, but I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Box Elder County has gold.
And here's an interesting link that shows exactly where our gold mine claims are. We're in T6, R19W. Kinda cool where it is on the map.
http://www.ut.blm.gov/planning/BOXRODANDRPS.PDF
Well, all things must come to an end. I'm done posting for now. Hope that everyone has a nice weekend.
When I feel like it again, I'll post again. I haven't posted recently because I hadn't felt like it. Got a lot going on here at home....lots of things to think about.
Hey Boatman,
Then I would suggest that the people in Box Elder County order the reports. LOL!!
I'm surprised that they hadn't heard of the gold in Park Valley, which is in Box Elder County. I didn't post it because I didn't know where Park Valley is in relation to Saturday night Mine. And I still don't know.
I've actually been to Park Valley. Beautiful place!
Hey fly!
I didn't say that I didn't want the question answered. I just said that I wouldn't be the one to make any calls.
I'm hoping that by asking the questions that maybe somebody else would be curious enough to make the calls....but not to Eddie....both sides would have to be heard.
I honestly don't care enough one way or the other to exert my own effort in making any calls. It's much less effort to post on the board than it is making calls.
But I'll be glad to read what anyone has to say.