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I think this is crazy, a couple of points...
1) I think your redirecting attention from your recent flip/flop. I love how one day your out, then the next day its just a few shares you sold for a friend. Now your jumping into to defend someone else... trying to win back trust possibly? I actually am not a fan so Shank but I do think he is giving his honest opinion whether or not it is 100% accurrate. However, Greg why must you attack him? Which brings me to my next point.
2) This is the internet, no one needs a reason to be here other than they want too. Maybe he enjoys pissing you off, there are people like that in the world you know? And usually, when you get pissed you just fuel the fire. Or maybe he's waiting until the stock bottoms out so he can buy to cover, or buy in. Personally why anyone is here is their own business and they shouldn't have to justify their presence to you or anyone else in order to be part of this PUBLIC and ANONYMOUS forum.
3) If you post your personal contact information on this forum, your dumb as a rock. I think that would show your ignorance more than anything else. People's money is involved as well as their emotions and even possibly (I hope not) some peoples financial well being. Providing your address and phone for someone who could flip one day and be looking for an outlet is a bad idea. And if I was Shank I wouldn't give you my info, with all your crazy talk... Hahaha after all if Shank did post his info and something happened to him (could be an accident) then you would be suspect for making comments about going face-to-face.
4) One rule of investing is to use your mind not your heart. I think many on this board are way too emotional in their post. Let's stick with the purpose of the board people, in my opinion we should be here to share facts and opinions about InfoSpi not share our emotions. When someone's opinions don't agree with your take it with a grain of salt. Demanding a show down is childish, even if you kicked Shanks ass Greg (whether it be literal or figurative), that wouldn't make you right and him wrong or vice versa.
BTW love the quote "A fool and his money, will soon part." How true it is.
I also like "Fool me once, shame... shame on... Once I get fooled I can't get fooled again!"
I think what is pathedic is everyone is asking Shank to call, he has no interest in calling he's stated this so stop begging him. For all those who want Shank to call... try calling yourself.
After all as I have stated many times before, this is a public anaymous formum, so anything anoyone says is based on their word. And while its not a great way to go through life at least on the internet I would say NEVER trust 100% anything from any anonymous source. Heck I bet if Shank said he called and was still negative half the board would simply choose not to believe him, because most of the time people believe what they want too.
Ok since everyone talks about it but no one seems to have the time or the balls, or they just don't post anything about their conversations... I CALLED THE CEO. As stated by other members he does answer the phone and getting the number is rather easy its the number listed on the contact us page of the InfoSpiInc.com website.
Anyways about my conversation with the CEO, when I called the first thing I noted was he simply said "hello" he did not answer the phone with his name or "this is InfoSpi Inc" or any professional greeting. Basically I am saying he did not seem very professional. After I introduced myself and asked if this was InfoSpi he confirmed.
I mentioned to him that a person on iHub had claimed to be in communication with him via e-mail. His response was rather interesting he told me he could not confirm or deny any claims but then stated because of laws and regulations he is not permitted to directly communicate with individual public shareholders. I then asked if it would be possible to get a press release to clear up this matter and state the facts in a public manner. His response to this request was that if he made press releases for ever share holder e-mail received or to straighten out every claim made online that, that would consume all of his time. He then stated that when there is progress to report that a press release will be made via PR News Wire.
While I am being honest I will ask everyone, instead of taking my word for it. Call him yourself! He may not answer the e-mails and he may not answer an individuals questions directly, but if enough people call asking the same questions perhaps he will cave and make a press release sooner than later, or maybe he'll stop answering the phone. I am sure a dozen phone calls will raise a larger red flag than one person calling. Also to note last time I called I used a number from this forum because the one on the website did not work. In that conversation I mentioned to him that the number on the website was no longer in service. So it was updated since it now works.
If you do call please post details about the conversation so we can see if his responses are consistent.
It did not make it sound like, it said "Hi all! Over the past few weeks I sold all my shares in ISPI!" That was the first sentence, now you say "GreenB, I could really care less if you think I was honest or not. I have not sold any of my shares!" Two quotes both from your messages only a few days apart. Which is the truth and which is not? Does it really impact my bottom line? NO! Would it be nice to know the truth? YES!
And how could receiving an e-mail from the CEO confirm the authenticity of your messages... it can't unless the conversation in the e-mail is specifically about your (Greg Van's) conversation. Just because someone else might receive an e-mail doesn't mean we should place 100% faith in everything you claim to have received and posted.
Oh and on a final note I think everyone on this board can handle the truth, so have at it, what is "the truth" because I want to know what it is?
That is a very good question, why would he want a list of share holders? But I still personally, have doubts about the authenticity of said e-mail. The great thing about the internet is you can say anything you want anonymously, or even say that someone else said something. Unless you can log into Gregs e-mail the read it yourself there is no way in telling whether that communication is even real. It may or may not be, but it very well could be an attempt to manipulate the stock. Use your imagination. If a person feels they can impact the price of a stock a few points either way they could sell all their shares, short the stock, drive down the price, buy to cover, take their profits and buy back in with more money at a lower price... then try and push it back up.
Lets not also forget that it is perfectly possible for a person to create two or more anonymous accounts and pretend to be several different people. Not that it is the case nothing personal shank but for all everyone knows shank and greg could be the same person. As far as that goes I could be shank or greg, or both. The entire point is, this is an anonymous board where you must check your own facts and it is very easy to be misled. You would be amazed the schemes people come up with to make money, some very simple and some very complex.
I used to know a guy who refused to gamble, but he played poker on the internet for money. When I asked him why he played if he didn't gamble he told me it wasn't gambling. So I ask how, he figured it wasn't gambling? He explained to me he would remote into several computers in different locations all with different IPs and play all the seats at the table but one using different accounts. This drastically increased his odds because now he knew what cards all the players were holding except one person, also most of the losses were from himself to... himself so its really a wash. Not to mention he could use one account to run up the bet for his other accounts bluff. Might make you think twice before playing online poker again... eh?
I agree that was the wrost good bye ever, and great sucker punch.
WOW, Greg. You tell people to accummulate shares its going to move up. You pump the stock and constantly tried to weed out any negativity. You PROMISE to relay any said information from CEO or company immediately to the board as the medium between the CEO and the board... then as I stated was perfectly possible in one of my previous post when given the opportunity you take that information and withhold it until you have sold most if not all of your shares. Of course some of this is still if I even believe you were ever in contact and had a "trusting" relationship with the CEO.
At this point it is hard to tell if the company is a fraud. But I will say 100% without a doubt Greg is a fraud! He promised to relay any information that would give him an insider's edge immediately (which goes against human nature anyways) then he paints the sky blue tells everyone to pay the ask, and why... so he can sell his shares? Someone correct me if I am wrong but I beleive the definition of fraud is to deceive or manipulate another person in order to acheive a financial or other advantage. Greg wanted to sell his shares at the highest price possible so he encouraged everyone to push the pps up, all for his personal own personal gain. I will even venture to go a step further and say its odd that after he exits he makes his post which I am sure he might guess would cause a panic and drive the pps even lower. So why not just quitely exit without a word, trust me I would not have missed your constant empty speech. So now I wonder why stab everyone else in the back, instead of letting things take their natural course, you take yet another action to further manipulate the board and the stock.
My personal recommendation to everyone is neither pro or anti ISPI but instead, I recommend each person collect themselves review the facts and make a calm and collected descision. I wonder if contacted directly and requested if the CEO would confirm or deny his e-amil(s) to Greg via a press release. That would be the fair and non-insider way to address even such problems as this and clear the air. Through open and public channels that can not so easily be manipulated by a single anonymous internet post.
PS: Greg I hope you shorted the stock and it finally does what you promised it would do.
I've had a similar experience trying to get in touch with the CEO. I have sent several e-mails to both haimmayan@gmail.com and haim@infospiinc.com, and never received a response or bounce back message from either.
I also tired calling the phone # listed on the website and it was "out of service" so I called a phone # I saw listed on an e-mail in this board and spoke to Haim himself. I then informed him that the phone # listed on the website was not working and spoke with him briefly. He said the phone # on the website would be fixed. I haven't checked to see if this has happened yet.
I believe what we are experiencing here is a company being run by a technical or scientific mind not one focused on public relations and marketing. Probably why he was not the CEO in the past. Being a small start up with no revenue (as of yet), the old CEO probably moved on to greener pastures while Haim the driving force behind the company had to assume the role of CEO for lack of a better canidate that the company in its current state can afford.
I do not doubt that Haim is working hard to see his vision through, and make InfoSpi successful. I do doubt though that Greg is being completely honest with this board, it would seem highly irregular that the CEO would always choose to respond to Greg, and only Gregs e-mails. Has anyone else gotten even a simple response?
Whether Greg post their conversations and e-mails immediately or not this is still an unfair advantage (or disadvantage if he is being deceived) if Haim is responding to Greg. The fact of the matter is if Greg is given information and trusted that he will relay this information to the public before he places his own buy/sell orders and Greg adheres to this trust, he is still being given an advantage, because it becomes his choice. At that point Greg is given the choice to relay the information or place his buy/sell orders first, he may choose to do the honorable thing and relay the information first, but its still his choice, and with the choice comes the advantage. And from another prespective if Greg relays the information, and then places his orders he is still one small step ahead of everyone else who must find and read the post, digest the information and make a descision.
IMHO the best way to pressure a Press Release is if everyone e-mails the CEO at both of his addresses and calls his cell. The cell cannot be as easily ignored as the e-mails. Maybe he will cave and start making Press Releases to end the annoying phone calls. "The squeeky wheel gets the oil."
Greg I do apologize if this seems like a personal attack, however its not personal its business. But I do find this more and more odd each time you get a response and everyone else turns up dry. As public investors I would say even your statement of building a relationship of trust with the CEO if true would hint at an advantage. Does Haim even know who you are? If you have had enough conversations with him that you two trust each other I would state that as an unfair advantage. Building a relationship with in individual public share holder sounds like insider trading to me.
BTW for anyone that is wondering I do have a sizable chunk of my portfolio resting on InfoSpi so I am pro InfoSpi and I do believe patient will reward us in the long run. I simply do not believe all the statements I have read on this board. There are a lot of people trying to make money buying/felling/flipping stocks and some people will say whatever is to their advantage to meet their goals or at least try and meet their goals. If someone tells you to pay the ask to raise the stock they could ever well be the one trying to sell at that ask price. Then that same person could be the one entering low buy orders and pulling it back down again to simply repeat the process over and over again its possible and is done all the time.
WOW this was a long post... perhaps I should have simply attempted to publish a book. LOL!
Just doing some additional DD today to figure out how much more I want to invest at the current price and came across these two documents online, don't know if anyone else has seen them. But ISPI has come up in the local community, which means they are not just blowing smoke.
Dont' worry ISPI is mentioned not related to a disaster of any kind.
http://www.floridadisaster.org/eoc/eoc_Activations/Home/Reports/18%20Jan%202010.pdf
ISPI was important enough to gain mention in the meeting minutes.
http://heartoffloridasolidwaste.org/Minutes/020510%20_2_.pdf
One of the things I check daily in the InfoSpi website. This morning the site was down, and as of the moment a crappy version of the homepage is back up. But its the same old text as before and the old image instead of the new banner we saw the other day on a white background. No links or other pages. I don't know whats going on here. My guess is they are working on the site and making changes, and soon we will see some good PR, which they are possibly anticipating will drive new traffic to the website. Hense the redesign and effort thats currently taking place.
I used to build websites for a living (years ago) and its pretty common to undertake an effort to clean up your web presence before releasing news that will drive a lot of traffic to your site, or even before making a major sales pitch, since you want your site to look nice if the potential customer checks out your company online.
Anyways, again I feel the company is alive and doing well, even if things are oddly quite. I e-mailed the CEO as well requesting a PR update. I would encourage many of you to do so as well. "The squeeky wheel gets the oil." So if we all pester him like little children "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" he just might respond to shut us all up, LOL.
Pick up cheap shares while you can, I plan on buying more once I sell my returns on some other investments, or when I get my next paycheck. Whichever comes first. :)
Checkout the website changes infospiinc.com, was updated mid-day today. Looks like they are still working on the changes but its going to look a lot nicer and just goes to show that things are still going on behind the scenes.
I should have proof read that better, sorry for the type-oes its been a long day at the office.
Remember, lets all share the facts and let each person make his gains or losses based on their individual choices. Honestly I don't case if someone else makes a bad choice and loses money because someone has to loose money somewhere in the world for me to make a dollar. The key is did I earn it honestly. I sure hope so.
People, lets behave like adults here. Anyone who is getting emotional whether their position is short or long probably made the mistake of investing too much, and they are affraid of losing it. The truth of the matter is there is money to be made/lost if it goes up, and there is money to be made/lost if it goes down. Heck I want to be friends with the guy who sells short when its going down, loads up with shares when its cheap and sells high, and makes a killing. Its all about timing.
The point is lets share facts so those who want to make an honest dollar can whether it be short or long. In the end all the name calling is just added stress around something we ultimately have little control of. We can try and influence the price with good or bad talk, but the real gains and losses will come from how the company does business and if they can sell their products, solutions, technologies, etc... Talking the stock up or down really only influences the stock in a small way. And if someone bashes the stock and it goes down and I pick up more cheap shares before the real news then awesome.
For those that hate short sellers think of it this way, they will bash until it hits the price they want, and then they will sell and move on, or it will go up sooner than they thought and they will loose money. But regardless 0, bankrupt is as low as it can go, so every short seller has an exite price. The longs on the other hand, the stock can split, pay dividends, and rise forever. Who knows what will happen. But regardless lets all be adults and shares facts. If the facts are negative then I want to know, so I can consider cutting my losses and moving on, if the facts are positive I want to know, so I can hold out for my returns or even pick up more shares. Lets stop voicing our opinions so strongly (I said strongly not completely) and focus on facts.
BTW if anyone is wondering about my position, I am currently long, and looking to pickup more shares soon if the price stays low. However, if I think the stock is over bought or the price is inflated then I have no problems selling my shares and taking a short position. Who knows maybe I will reverse and fill-flop back and worth every time the indictactors change. And I will only be upset if I make a desicion that cost me money based on someone elses lies, because I never make desicions based on someone elses opinion.
Just a quick FYI for anyone who thinks the company in dead and not doing anything you are wrong, while things appear rather silent they are working on getting this business moving and keeping it moving. My example to backup my statement is the simple but small fact that infospiinc.com has been updated to reflect the recent changes in management, the changes are minimal but they are there. You don't bother to update your website if you plan on closing your doors.
While this is all true, if your in my position and I imagine many others are, I am currently at a +50% loss, so selling would be unwise especially considering this is a penny stock and tomorrow I could be looking at a 100-200% gain. Unlike a larger stock where if it sank to 50% it could take a very... very long time to recover. All it will take to bounce this stock is a little good news in the form of some positive Press Releases. Don't forget the company does have oversea's operations so they do have operations. Anyone who is sweating OUR current position as investors in this stock must have broken one of the most basic rules of trading "never invest more than you can afford to loose," on the other hand "nothing risked nothing gained." So hopefully everyone only invested what they could spare to loose, otherwise shame on you.
Me personally I will either hold, and sell only enough of my shares when at about 0.08 just to cover my initial investment and then ride the rest out to see where it goes. Or buy more to lower my avg. share price, so when it goes up I can cover my inital investment even easier.
BTW just so everyone knows, I am not a professional trader/investor. I am a Programmer/Analyst and consultant who writes Business Intelligence software, and manages BI projects and deployments. My most recent personal project has been the design of a BI style analysis tool to analyze stock data I guess I just have too much free time while sitting around the hotel.
So when does this symbol change back to ISPI and drop the E? Monday?
Food for thought... Why is it everyone is so worried they will get delisted, bankruptcy is the real fear. Even if they are delisted you still own your shares and have rights as a share holder.
Has anyone ever heard of a company getting delisted and then returning later at a higher price? Just curious.
Thats good to know, whether it ends good or bad for most of us still invested in this stock that wait should be over around May 17. Still hopefully, they don't wait until the last minute to file if its going to get filed, three weeks is a long time to wait. I'm thinking of waiting until the 14th to pick up another chunk of stock at a low price if it hasn't gone up by then.
Has anyone found anything new in relation to InfoSpi whether it be good or bad news? Its always good to be in the know.
To followup with this if you ping both: biocelengery.com and infospiinc.com they are at the same IP address. Also if you navigate to any page on the Biocelengery website it says InfoSpi on all the pages, the website is the same. Two domains both pointing to the same site. It doesn't look finished though, the home page appears to be missing.
http://www.infospiinc.com/about/
http://www.biocelenergy.com/about/
Hopefully, they will get everything sorted out sometime soon and we will here some good news. I read an article that said one of their plants should be operational early 2011, hopefully thats true as well since that would mean a good revenue stream.
This isn't new news but it's from an outside source other than ISPI PR. Thought I would share considering I just came across this today.
http://www.ecoseed.org/en/general-green-news/green-business-news/latest-deals-a-ventures/6182-Argentine-wastewater-deal-to-bring-millions-to-InfoSpi
Just remember it takes time to setup a plant and begin operations, but once they get things running I believe those of us who have waited it out will be happy we did. Personally I plan on picking up more shares as long as the price remains below my avg. price per share.
I can't pull up a website for http://www.illegaldumping.com? I can get to http://www.infospiinc.com/contact-us/ though. The site appears to all be there except the home page. Also the two domains are owned by different people.
http://www.illegaldumping.com was registered in 2003
http://www.infospiinc.com was registered this year
Where did you hear http://www.illegaldumping.com was owned and operated by InfoSpi?