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Revlis: Why didn't they buy back when the price was under 30?
Mschere: Do you know when the decision from the ICC on Samsung's request for a second arbitration is due?
bulldzr: Hey, you forgot the ketchup - Thanks
Mshere or Loop
In lieu of the many issues outstanding as the UK case,Delaware case, Samsung's request for 2nd arbitration, Samsung's appeal, management statment that they anticipate signing new liscenses by year end etc. can anyone put all this in perspective and as to the gravity of each one as it is relative to IDCC achieving the stock value will all hope for. I'm losing track of the signifcance of all the current issues .
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Mschere: OK, the case goes to 2011. Assuming IDCC prevails and they have signed everyone else, how much will Nokia owe IDCC then for past infringement they didn't pay for?
ams13sag: Youd did the right thing to sell when there was no earnings to support the price. Now that the earnings support the price level and higher prices with future higher earnings it doesn't make any sense to sell. What outcome are you in doubt of?
Bill Dalglish: Several years ago you made predictions on the potential stock price based on possible earnings. In lieu of LG and the possibility that if Samsung signs and all the rest will probably follow what do you project IDCC's price to reach .
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Loop: Basically are you suggesting that Nokia will not settle with IDCC until they have resolved their negoiation with Qualcom? Is that correct? What is the history of Q and N? Do you expect a resolution before the end of 07? I believe that the agrrement with Q & N is due to be renewed in 07.
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Jim & Loop: IDCC has fallen 5 points from its high two months ago. How much longer do you think we are going to have to wait to get the return we anticipate? Do you expect a price increase with the earnings announcement due the 4th? There are a lot of places to put your money now and I hope that hanging on for another year will pay. Thank you
Mschere: Is it probable that Samsung comply with the arb decision or is it more likely that IDCC will have to file with the courts to enforce the decision.
Lawyers: Can Nokia's appeal argue anything other than the reasons a court may vacate an arbitration award as listed in post 142740. Is anything else relevant? You would think the appeals court wouldn't even consider any other arguments.
Mshere: I think the board has lost its perspective of why we are long. Doesn't the potential hinge on the outcome of UK, Delaware,Samsung arbitration,Nokia appeal,and new liscenses. I don't know from which one will the stock will derive its biggest gains and value or which is likely to be announced first. Lets get back to the basics.
mschere: Please advise how you would submit a complaint to fidlelity and how the complaint should be structured or phrased.
rooster: where did you hear that?
majillagorilla: What are the ramnifications of a complex case?
Lawyers on board advise legal perspective
Which of the following is the most relevant to our stock value. We have the pending UK decision, outcome of the Samsung arbitration, the appeals of the ICC and federal court ratfication of the arbitration, and now the Markman hearings. Can the federal appeals court rule outside the reasons that have been stated that an ICC ruling can be vacated? The complexity of all this is confusing for a layman. Thank you
How much of an impact will the UK decision have on the stock price? Is the decision likely to be appealed by either party?
How much of an impact will an arbitration resolution with Samsung have on the stock price and the situation with Nokia? Is there any possibility that the arbitration resolution with Samsung could be contingent on the outcome with Nokia?
Spenser: Another arbitration doesn't make any sense. If the ICC has no means of enforcing their decision, whats the point. IDCC has learned the courts can't even enforce the decision. Doesn't the whole issue boil down to enforcing the law and the appeals court has very little reason to over turn the first ruling.
Would someone please advise what 8K stands for . Also I have lost the significance of the Delaware proceedings.
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It's possible that the judge thought IDCC should have been awarded the entire amount. The judge stated that what he believes is a moot point.
To the legal minds. If the ICC decision is upheld in December do you think Nokia will appeal to the next level? If the decision is upheld and Nokia appeals do you think the stock will hold its value?
Bill Dalglish: As a long tern investor and one of the most respected posters on this board do you think the stock advisors- Carpenter - are extremely conservative in their projections for the value of the stock? I know several years ago you hoped and predicted the stock could conceivably hit 100. Have you given anymore consideration to what you believe is a possibility for all the longs out there? I would welcome any prediction you might have and like yourself believe this may be a once in a lifetime investment opportunity. Thank you
What does PLA stand for? Thank you
Loop: Thanks for your response. I guess we'll find out how carefully constructed and respected the ICC's decision is. I don't want to believe that a 7 man panel wouldn't get it right.
Loop: Is it to our benefit if the judge throws the case out. If the case is heard and resolved in IDCC"s favor is that better?
I believe you are correct in your analysis of IDCC and its potential financial return. However, in almost all cases your logical speculations on the future actions of Nokia or the courts have not come to pass. It makes you lose faith in the integrity of the system. If the ICC ruling does not stand it would certainly tarnish its reputation as a resolver of disputes.
to all: What other major corpoeations are following this case? Is Nokia jeopardizing their reputation in the market with their contempt for the ICC ruling? Or, are the other major OEM's cheering for Nokia as they represent the stalwart defense for not paying fees for intellectual patented property. Who can narrow this down to the litmus test on the prevailing outcome. I was not surprised that Nokia disregarded the ICC ruing.
To kill a snake you cut its head off. I hope management takes this all the way. I hope I am not being naive. Will the rulings for over ruling an ICC judgement stand up. Who has the knowledge not speculation on these matters?
Did all three arbitrators conclude that the money demanded by IDCC was unwarranted?
To the legal eagles: How long will this possibly delay the payments. What are the chances that the ICC decision will be overturned or modified? Binding arbitration- is this unusual to have the decision appealed?
Does the fact that an award was granted mean a trigger was indeed established?
How can they say anything if they haven't received notice of the judgement. Where do you draw the line between win and lose.
Jim Charts: How will the rate get set
Loop: Have you seen the movie Maltese Falcon? I think we have to remember that Nokia requested arbitration and I am sure they did with their potential down side in mind. What can they gain by settling? On a personal note did you sell any IDCC when it hit 80? How long would you hold this time?
Anyone: What is a PSJ Thank you
Loop & Mschere: Do you agree with post # 96999 by Ferrari that Nok still has surpises in store? Or is this the final countdown. After 20 years you must be somewhat drained wondering if this ship is coming in. The last three years have been taxing enough.
To all: Of more immediate concern is the upcoming earnings announcement. What happens to the stock if the earnings are in the red? Is there a poster that has been historically accurate in his forecasts of earnings? Is it the time to sell now and buy back in after earnings are declared?
Gentlemen: What is going to stop this carnage?
Legal minds: What role does IDCC's board of directors play in this. Wouldn't they have to support major decisions at this time regarding all the strategy in play?
Anyone: If IDCC doesn't have essential 3G, who does?
Bill Dalglish: You have been quiet. Did you throw in the towel