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What does your value show in LOSS ?
NO!!!!!! Institutions will invest in this with the MAN holding 90%+ of all the shares. It gives them no leverage to make changes, offer suggestions, etc... The old man is just setting it all up for his kids because they can't do it themselves...
This was the only way for him to make big bucks without doing any real work, starting a product, etc... He is just sucking in suckers...
It will be impossible now to trade shares because no one is going to buy them, other than rochon, because as he buys them up, with the companies own money, he will take over full control and make it private again buying out all unsuspecting share holders, Tami, etc...
In other words, he can do whatever he wants and doesn't have to ask a sole... Just pay them their share amount in funds and see ya... So many if's...
OUCH ! First time I have seen a stock split announced and then applied within 3 days. LMAO... Suckers... And look at the devalued price.. 16.... Should be 20 min.
Because that is what companies do ALL the time. Create more shares to buy or get money... He doesn't care, all long as they are not his shares...
He still owns most of the company and can do whatever he wants. I am telling you, no company or 99% of them don't start with one person holding all of the shares. It starts with the COMPANY holding the shares. He holds most of them...
He can never lose control. He could flip out tomorrow and the Board of directors couldn't do a thing because he controls it. Stupid for companies to be ployed into this shell. Just dumb.
I feel it won't be long before the SEC shuts these down, locks them up for years. They have to scare people to get them to stop... Who would lend a guy like this money..
Pretty low and may be a bottom, not sure... Hard to call these days as times get better, people could care less about saving the earth and money... Glutttttten !
Leasing this stuff is just another way for the rich to make as much as before only in a different way..
How much is it going to save in the end ? One way or another the leasee will figure out a way to squeeze every penny out of the customer so that the only difference is the customer can claim GREEN. Other than that, save 10% overall... big deal and not worth the effort..
If this country, POLITICIANS REALLY CARED ABOUT THE OZONE LAYER THEY WOULD DO 5 TIMES MORE THAN THEY do now, which is little.It is about the money for the big power company execs, and lobby... They cut all the good stuff off..
My thoughts on Markman are only current. Yes, a markman is or was a huge deal at one time, even 6 months ago. If no one is watching when the tree falls in the forrest....
Vringo going up .35 is much different in my opinion as they r VRINGO... Most likely it is Vringo that led the way for the whitehouse appointment.
I think it is all really sad and so many people don't get how much more money they just stole from the little guy...
Lack of conversation on this page shows investment type of IHUB. This site is becoming more and more about the penny and ripping people off. Almost can use it as a guide to good or bad companies..
That also makes .035 a great number...
Wouldn't it be obvious that it is converted at .035 by the 10K and everyone knows the number. How would it be disclosed "at is as you write" Just seems to me that is basic knowledge...
I like your opinion... Do you think this because you have some insight personally on the guy... Curious ?
What was the bottom number for them to get their shares ?
His Asher loan just gets replaced by another loan and so on. THat has been his PLAY... Borrow from peter to pay paul, then borrow from john to pay peter, then borrow from Asher to pay John and so on.
You keep making a claim that is always true. YOu can do that til the end. When it is all over you can write ... I know the guy, and he didn't expect this at all. He really has a good heart and was trying to find work for people. It is just ashame it didn't work out and that the SEC is blaming him and others for things they didn't do. Or !!! THings they didn't know there were not allowed to do.
1 week After delisting, to prevent someone from tracking them down, "a looney, or someone that might file a suit" the posts will be: I have been in contact with him and he intends on writing a letter to all shareholders as he wats to keep everyone in the loop. He is fighting for everyone and he will not go down. He is working on getting the funding and thinks he has found a partner.
1 month after delisting... His atty said he is going to sue the SEC and the finance companies... He is still working on the letter but wants to make sure he has everything correct and an update in it for everyone. Menawhile, everyone is here complaining, etc... 2 months after the delist.... You write... I tried calling him over the last week and he has not returned a call. Maybe I lost it all too, while in real life you were involved with it all and made a fortune...
2 weeks later you change your account, dissapear off of the page. They you come back under a different name and write " Is this a good company to invest in ?"
Just an example of what happens on ihub.. Not you in particular... Don't know you from adam.. But you do keep writing to support a scam.. Which this company is showing no lack of doing...
No proof at all. I have just seen many of these type go to the grey market and or private. It happens everyday ! Literally ! Yet, those type are only known by the ones still in it and dying losing their money. If this one did, how many would know enough to pass it on to others.. ? Nobody, because no one wants to admit a loss and or care to share. There woud be 200 loser and maybe 5 that are on this board and would talk about it.
So it just goes into the abyss and everyone moves on, learns a lesson. I was watching this for a bottom to flip it (nothing more), but now I wont because of the halt. It goes to show the trouble involved here. Just like the MJ scams, no different really, just a dufferent platform and WAY of cheating...
There are hundreds of ways to cheat legally and that is what is happening here. Everyone is trusting, until they lose it all. Watched it over and over in ANTS. It got delisted and to NO market, not even grey. Yet people were posting 6 months later asking when a letter was coming about the private company ANTS and when would they receive their money. That they contacted the company and the company was asking them for money to continue doing business. Some actually bought into it. Just stupid.. That is the level a GOOD person goes to, they actually think the guy on the other end of the line sounds legit.
I can see by the pictures on this site, those on the board... gotta be joking me ! Look at GRCu and their page, it is the same thing, only different. They r not really borrowing money, but sell something no one will buy in real terms. Maybe some here or there. It actually went to .04 a 100M marketcap and at the time they had no website, no product, etc... Call my brother and told him about it when it was .005 to buy it and sell it at .03... A month later I call him and he tells me that he was on the ihub page and he believed it would go to .10 or even a dollar... I told him to sell ! To not believe all the garbage..
y look at it like a real MJ company. It is not, the sale support a real value of .0004 ,nothing more. But people are nieve and believe the pumpers.. What r ya going to do..
Why dont you guys go work JRRD. It has been sitting idle for 2 years now. Still current... It should be worht some PR's, pumping, a dump, etc...
No, I have not and wont. Niether will 99.8% of america and there in lies the value of the company. It wasn't too smart of them to allow their pictures on the site either. You can look at them and see scam written all over them...
Good luck...
Most investors that have watched this from a distance knew something would happen sooner or later... This, or a split, bankrupt, whatever... I figure it for a co exist between him and the financier (one of them) to scam the others... Although, they may all be the same, just different names through family members.. Never know how deep a scam can go and all the trusting souls that believe it was legit... well... That is easy to do when you live in rural America... Move to brooklyn and deal with the scum and how they make money.. .These are mafia moves and they are smart about stealing money.
Don't think they expected this, or they planned it to get out of the stock business and into the labor business free and clear of shares and debt.
If you did your homework then you know this guy borrows money at a 50% rate ? THat he puts out PR's that disclose up ticks in revenue, but never mentions the cost of revenue.
Simple Example : If you make a million dollars last month, then 1.5 million tis month that is great. Up 50% and put out a PR stating so. What he does is just this, but he doesn't put out the PR stating that it cost him 1.3 million the month he made 1M and cost 2 Million the month he made 1.5 million.
It is TOXIC financing from the worst kind of finaciers. THey manipulate the share price to get their shares, force his hand. But not really, he knows and is part of what they are doing IN MY OPINION. It happens all the time... Thus they halt it to try and prove these things are happening. Very hard....
Also, many companies do this to get delisted ON PURPOSE.... Thus it gets knocked to the grey market, or no market at all and everyone that owns stock loses it all. He will still own the company and get revenue, which he only pays back some financial companies so they dont "break his legs". In the mean time he slowly sold shares, pocketed the money thru a third party company and no one is wiser... By the time the SEC gets him in court, he will have sold shares, got rich, hired a agreat atty. and delay it all 3 years while he starts a new company in his wives name and does it all again....
They also pay someone cheap money to watch sites like this one, to post how great the company is, what they are doing, etc. THey are also there to post that anyone telling you the truth, like this post is "put down" " labels a short seller" People in reality are trusting soles, like yourself, learn from it, that is all you can do. Remember you REALLY dont know anyone here and will never meet them... So they lie, over and over again. Just to get your money.
Whe is it that you draw the energy to post about these when there is maybe a 10% chance of winning anything ? THe Apple thing without reading the whole disclosure may win a strike. Then what, all the other evidence show blah for DSS...
Thin kthe share price shows that and a markman is no longer an exciting prop...
Care to give your thoughts on everything ? A post in laymans terms, since you are a Patent investor I would guess you are an atty. with some insight here....
As far as any of these types of patents passing the grade... THe whitehouse just showed the side that goes WITH the conservative side.... How can anything win ?
Slow Bleed to .0005... Junk products
Moving out of COmmercial will kill them in the end. During the next reccession they will go bankrupt. A real Good solar buiness would grow, not get out of any segment. THis is going to crash and burn at some point. Give them 5 years.
What do you do with residential during a reccession when NO one family is adding anything, especially this... I love solar, want it on my house too, but it is my fiances house.
Big problem when they r trying to make so much off of the retail that no REGULAR home owners, 60K - 100K income will buy it. Only smart people and larger incomes spring for it. Let's face it, 80% of this country is dumb. It is going to show here as they r turning into a business segment full of up and coming companies. Plus, those companies want to grow, don't have the overhead of a mega management team. THey have an Owner, installers, and that is it... Hire an outside acctount to do the simple math.... No SEC filings, etc...
Bad idea here and a small mangement mind... Get your pumps and dumps in while you can and wait for the right time to SHORT.
As we know, if there was money to be made, they would push this forward. Any investor can look at the base of this company and know it will not get big. Invest at your own risk. The Chart they have for production and mfg. stops at 2013 and shows regulatory and other parts moving forward.
It is just being drawn out because there is little future in it... Again, if it was a blockbuster type of thing, someone would buy it or be asking for it and that isn't happening.
Hope, Hope is all there is and that equate's as any drug maker with a novel idea that cost to much for the healing it does...
3 years and very little progress ! I was thrilled about this stock when I first checked it out. The problem was how I found it. Through Red chip companies. That whole company is a scam in investing. THey are paid really well, usually through shares they dump on retail investors after pumping the stock via PR's. Plain and simple 98% of redchip stocks turn down after the pumps and most companies are void of Revenue.
Maybe LTBR just got caught with the bad guys.... Then again, what happened to building the facility, production and the mega sales they said would happen. Funny how things like that just drop off. Go back through the PR's from this year. Nothing but CC, Awards for being in the business, investor conf., and vietnam consulting. Let's face it, the next generation rods are not going to pay out like they thought, if so, the mfg. plant would be built and product produced. THey keep getting patents on the rods, which, in 50 years maybe the rod everyone uses... If it was a great product, Siemens would have jumped on it when testing it.
Measly institutional holdings.... Lost most of the important management to death... Sad but true, they are a stock selling and PR company.
The fact that they r selling millions of shares as dilution. Doesn't anyone here understand how it works. 90M worth of shares, not out of John pocket, but newly created shares. Dilution. It makes the dollar value of the company dived by "X" amount of shares plus the new ones....
The price has to drop on value alone. See, that is where all of these indiviual sellers of their companeis were takien for a ride... Maybe not all as Tami sits on the board.. Other than that, shares become worth less....
Just sad that they take over, but not really, have revenue, but not really, own the companies, but not really.... ETC.... pathetic... Wosre off is people that sold to him, your buddy at buy time, your enemy in the end and court dates set...
Per Google EPS -$276,677.41 LMAO... funniest thing I have ever seen... What a scam, what a way to start a company that ends up private and shareholders never make a dime unless your a flipper
No one even knows about the 923 data on value to Concert. They have big value coming in already on what avinir is selling now AVP -786. The other will be an ADD ON.
That is a PR that is yet to be determined. Not sure as to what the royalities are, I have read that it covers their burn rate at the very least.
If JAZZ uses it, sky is the limit.
It is time to sit on the sidelines and just hold for a while. No volome what so ever and the reason,..... no one will sell...
Why didn't you just do this in the first place ? Why were you asking for a link ?
Co -CEO... I seen where Ogle just received over a Million shares i believe... Got to think that is when LEVI thought... WTF is going on here, he just received "X" amount from me but we are getting nowhere... THere is nowhere to go and unless he has a rabbit in his hat and can drive mega business to himself, they are going to wither and die...
The business model itself isn't bad... But you are not going to land anyreal clients working out of Texas. He needs to be in Palo Alto and recruiting kids right out of college with super bright ideas... That is how you make it in that business....
That is the worst thing of all. Even when a stock is bad, some people just have no class at all. No... I don't know what the best word is for it. I can tell you, if you ever watched wolf of wall street you will know what I mean.
Or the CNBC show where a guy in vegas sells his picks. It is the type of person that will do anything for money. Mostly lie on a daily basis.. .They use the excuse "I will do anything for my family" reason. That really isn't true, just their excuse, you need an excuse to get a PASS in your own mind. THey hug their wife and kids and tell them how much they love them... If they were broke, they couldn't handle basic life in itself. THey need that control, that drive to make more money. That way they can cheat when they want, buy a car that makes them feel important...
Just pathetic really..... It is good to invest, make money, gamble if you want... But don't lie, cheat, and steal to do it.
I figured a bounce off of the meeting. Political or not, the euro will turn sooner or later and this will be a homerun. Can't believe it is taking so so long...
Or is it 3 posts.
Think you need 2 posts within 24 hours to become a MOD.
I am going to rework this page so everyone understands what the DCE platform is and how it works. It is making Avinir a name in meds, going to help JAA and Celegene too.
It's SAFE ! THe phase II trials set for the next 5 years will show tollerability... THen they can move onto efficacy.... Hal a lu - ya ! Lanza... Have to get another TV special off of this...
Now they can do 15 Phase III trials and get lonza to retirement without anymore dilution. THank GOd !
Somebody just wasted 700 bucks... Considering they bought at 1400.00 and will never be able to sell for more than .0001
He said in a PR not long after the 8 week data that he did not expect any difference in the 16 week data. That will be his excuse for not bringing it forward and the fact he said the end of the year. That gives them time to start other trials, get the stroke out of the way.
They are probably having CC with the board on damage control and if so many here and Yahoo chat were not right on top of what is happen, it would be no big deal like it was for the first 14 years. No one called them out and they took their marry ole time and did what they want when they wanted. The PPS didn't show any effect because no trial was complete.They were still riding the pfizer agreement.
It is different now and they surely were not prepared... There is no way out of it. THey can only go forward, but they have not caught onto the fact they move really slow. They thought what they were doing was industry standard and as Gil said, we will engage the FDA more and ask 'What they want" ... That is not what a business looking to make money does... If you were a millionaire and supplying all the income, and the science was the most important thing to you, then do just that.. But if you are piggybacking off of the share price, plus paying yourself as a millionaire, you certainly dont take your time.
It is all out in the open and I actually can't believe I invested in it... I think the fact it was so over the top different in it's approach made me and others think they had something for sure and were taking their time because of it. THat once it past the phase trial stage they would be prepared to make billions. That is much different than other approaches and shows just how obtuse they were and we were.
I knew about that and was the reason I did not buy it ! What is the angle here with you guys ? THat AH and the mafia, others, articles, etc. are ruining companies ?
Or that items like the intercept are a problem inhouse and allow for insider trading info and that they may be working with MM ?
I never expected a pullback this large. Maybe it is time they spent some money on a real advertising company and another indication...
r u going to continue investing in this ? Seems they r controlled and shorted badly... All they need now is another split and work it down again.
I did not read all the power stuff about back room dealing, mafia, etc. I know for a fact it happens and that is why I stay away from really high profile pharma's. Ones like this and the one we talked about before.
Mann could be controlled becasue there is so many share. Mann holds most but the free float could be bought by the mafia and shorted to the hilt from 5 - 13 bucks. They then drive it to one while controlling the MMs... backdoor payments, etc... None of retail really knows what is happening and the best thing to do is find a good solid company on the move up. Have to show an increasing value, rev, etc... or something, but when companies are too early in the game. It can be big trouble.
I see people posting about it closing below 1... A delist threat force a split. Everyone loses then, they had a 10-1 years ago. Plus look where they are based, SEC free !