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My DOW - GOLD guesstimates (Fall 2009)
......Right now we are experincing a rally in the DOW and a pause/pullback in GOLD as I see it.....Was the bottom of the DOW put in recently and the top for GOLD put in recently?.....One never knows until time passes and we look back!.....So it would be interesting and helpful possibly for those here on the message board to share thier opinions/outlooks/theories/guesstimates/etc.
My thinking is that the DOW falls lower than its previous low and GOLD goes higher than its previous high.....My guesstimates for this coming fall October 19th 2009 (give or take 2 months on both sides August 19th - December 19th)....is that we could see the>>>>>> DOW 5300 and GOLD $1444.
Best to all in your trading and appreciate your thoughts and guesstimates.
DOW 4 DAYS LATER
......It is 4 days later from my message on Sunday regarding DOW RALLY.....Yes; so far so good>>>>could go a bit higher yet.....BUT be prepared and be positioned for what may be coming next?.....June 2009 to November 2009 DOW could be a LOT LOWER.....So as I have said ....I am a simple man....I want to keep it as simple as possible.....This is a complex situation.....My past message s have given much of my thoughts....Read my last few messages especially the simple one I am replying to in this message .....Goodbye....Good Luck.....Keep It Simple!
Yes tinner
.....Can call it "brown" or "golden".....The Golden Ratio suggests or indicates that "if" the .382 retrace/correction is made....it would give a DOW around 5555....Nothing is for sure until it actually happens.....The DOW may not get to 5555 (although I tend to think it will this fall)....or it may surpass 5555 and go even lower!.....If it goes even lower than the 5555; THEN i would say you could call it the "brown" ratio; as it would seem more fitting if you know what I mean?
Quite Interesting brainlessone
.....I just go with the simple retrace to .382 X the high....however your numbers appear to indicate around the same 5555 DOW......Only Time Will Tell!
In my simple world
DOW is going LOWER
GOLD is going HIGHER
SILVER is going even HIGHER
In the next months/years!
Golden ratio....google it
.....google golden ratio and read all you can from the first 10 sites that come up.....The Golden ratio is present in almost all things.....It can be used as an "indicator" applied to the DOW; as technical analysis is an indicator of sorts.....I can not fully explain it all....but as I said, you can find plenty of info if you google and research GOLDEN RATIO.
Hmmmm brainlessone....SIMPLY PUT
.....Don't quite follow your message and what it means....but I will try and make it simple
1 - DOW hits high of 14279 on Oct/11/07
2- Golden Ratio suggests a retrace/correction to .382 always
3- 14279 X .382 = 5454
Thats as simple as it gets and I hope it helps you and others with your forecasting of the future for DOW.
#4...GOLD at $2000 an ounce
.....Sounds about right to me!.....Wonder what SILVER will be at then?>>>>>>over its highest multi-year high?
The bottom will come
...usually when one least expects it.....and usually lower than one can expect.....My Guess is 5555 (Golden ratio) has to be somewhat close?
Next News! Great Panther GPR
.....Possibbly the next news release will have more following this Great Junior SILVER producer?
Only a few people on board right now....but as more people realize and see SILVER increasing and look for quality Junior SILVER plays.....I believe you will see more!
SIMPLISTIC UNITED STATES STRATEGY
......I am a simple man....here is my simple plan for US
US Government mails out US government spending cheques to all registered tax payers that have to be spent within 30 days on anything they desire (and they rotate and overlap these speding cheques throughout the year) = Stimulate
US Government offers reasonable decent paying jobs to any and all that are willing and wanting to work for City's/etc. doing cleanup, infrastructure work,etc. = Employment
US Government starts buying up as much Gold Bullion as possible to own and control = Currency
FatherFred....DOW RALLY?
.....Do I read your message properly?.....You believe that between March/3/09 and March 20/09; a huge rally will occur in the DOW?.....I believe we may see a rally during this timeframe aswell....but not huge....I believe we may see a lot of people jump into this maximum pessimism timeframe and be ready to exit very fast as the next wave down in the DOW could be the huge move in 2009.....I think we may see 5555 DOW by end of October/09 and possibly going even lower?......What you think?
Thanks for GPR analysis
.....Thankyou 4Godnwv....Possibly when the technicals alighn strongly; GPR will have its day(s).....This SILVER stock/company has an incredible story with lots of SILVER.....It is just a matter of time.....please let me know when the GPR technicals signal a strong buy.
Great Panther Resources on the Toronto Stock Exchange
MAXIMUM PESSIMISM = DOW RALLY
.....It seems that things are about as negative as they can get......But GOLD knows better.......The pessimism is very negative right NOW.....The potential seems as if it is an opportunity.....It may be.....The Golden ratio indicates about 5555 at some point for the DOW.......GOLD and SILVER are real MONEY!
DOW RALLY?
.....March 2009.....Rally off the low.....but going even lower......The DOW may be primed for a rally......The Golden ratio suggests that the DOW eventually hits 5555 (possibly in October 2009).....GOLD is going higher......SILVER is going even higher!......Keep It Simple!
Please Review "Great Panther Resources"
.......This is a Junior SILVER producer from Mexico that has incredible amounts of SILVER.....is producing at a reasonable cost.....employs many people in thier producing mines....and has an amazing historical story.....what needs to happen next is the Technicals alighn into the right formation.....Can you Technical Analyzers please review GPR and comment on where the technicals are at right now and when the buy for this great little SILVER stock is hit?
Please look at the message I am responding too!
......You can see.....I wrote the message last October/2008 when DOW was much higher......If you actually read the message you can see some "FOOLISH" wisdom/prediction......So here we are below the 6661 that I gave at that time.....MY thoughts are a DOW going to 5555 by October of this year/2009.....My last 100 messages have given you everything that I "THINK" about and possibly more!.......So right now I will say Goodbye "again" until another projection comes to be.....IF you read the last 100 or so messages of mine....you may find silver cloud!......It has all been said from my end and I am getting very tired......Good luck to all.....God Bless....Get GOLD.....Get SILVER.....Review Great Panther Resources......Once again.....I am a FOOL who always thinks about the FUTURE.
DOW....OCTOBER 19th 2009....Watch it!
......Will DOW hit 5555 on around October 19th 2209?......This is a question to ask yourself?
GOLD 1200++
SILVER $17.77++
DOW 5555
..............OCTOBER 19th 2009?
DOW BOTTOM? and FREEDOM 55?
......Freedom 55?......Yes this "gimmick" that was presented to many over the past 2 decades has some relevance?......FREEDOM 55 .....May indicate the actual BOTTOM of DOW @ 5555?....write it down and think about it......Because Freedom 55 was just another way of saying DOW 5555?
Is DOW now a swing UP trade?
.....DOW closed below 6800 and looks like it may be primed for a rally before moving towards the Golden ratio magnet?......It is the beginning of March/2009.....DOW rally????>>>>>Before GOLD and SILVER go through the roof and DOW goes even lower!
What is the best DOLLAR?
.....Is it the United States Dollar.....Canadian Dollar....Austrailan Dollar......short-trem? and Long-term?
Got GOLDS and SILVERS?
.....The DOW drop is telling people who will listen....." if you want to be in stocks, make sure they are GOLD and SILVER stocks"......LOL!!!......But things are going to get interesting NOW for GOLD and SILVER.....just watch!
MY final post DOW - GOLD - SILVER
.....I am not going to post messages for a little while as it is all the same thing over and over to some extent......My final message contains my simple wisdom that offers only my opinion.....DOW is trending lower, having rallies along the way, with a bottoming only to be determined at some unexpected point, Golden ratio "indicates" around 5000 range but that is an indicator only......GOLD and SILVER are trending higher with pauses/pullbacks along the way, DOW to GOLD ratio indicates that GOLD has a long way to go, historical SILVER to GOLD ratio indicates that SILVER has even farther to go.
Goodbye.....Good Luck.....Will come back only when DOW is under 6000.....or GOLD is over $1200....or SILVER is over $17....Till then.....K.I.S.S
Hi schlooss_1 regarding DOW
.....The potential for the DOW to go to 1000 exists, however this appears very extreme to me....As I said in previous message; the 1929 crash took the DOW down 89% eventually.....I believe it is possible that we may experience a DOW rally soon and then a continued further decline of the DOW.....The Golden ratio indicates somewhere to about into the 5000 range.....Only time will tell!......My thoughts are that the DOW has lower to go over the coming years.....GOLD and SILVER have higher to go over the coming years.....Quality Junior producing GOLD and SILVER companies/stocks have been beat down huge and may offer opportunity into the coming years......Thats my simplistic outlook!
DOW 1000?
.....schloss_1 that seems like a really low number.....you never know....The 1929 crash went down 89% from its previous high.....That would take the DOW down to somewhere around 1500....I think these level are pretty extreme, however these are extreme times.....If you use the Golden ratio and apply it to the DOW; you get a number around 5555.....If you use a GOLD to DOW ratio of about 3:1 (some believe it could get to 1:1).....you get GOLD around $1850.....It seems that these extremes may be extreme enough?
MY STIMULUS PACKAGE
.....In the context of simplicity....why doesn't the government stimulate by sending all taxpayers "USA registered spending certificates" that have to be spent within 30 days in which ever way they choose ( or they become void) and have them rotating and overlapping throughout the year?......This would possibly be cheaper and would stimulate as people spent the certificates aswell as possibly added to the amounts for bigger ticket items.....Just a simple thought.....how much would it cost to send every taxpaying American $500?
HOW SIMPLE CAN IT GET?
......DOW heading under 7000......GOLD heading over $1000.....SILVER heading over $15.......in the coming months.
Junior GOLD and SILVER miners as a whole have fallen in a market where GOLD and SILVER bullion has risen.....Tell you something?
LoneClone....BEST Mexican stock/company
.......Hello Lone Clone.....Do you know which of the Mexican GOLD and SILVER companies have the most GOLD and SILVER.....which mines employ the most people....which mines have the greatest deposits.....which mines have the lowest production costs....which mines are considered the best in Mexico by the Mexicans?
If you could.....can you list the top 10 mines in Mexico as it relates to "in-the-ground", production, employment.....Would really like to know!
Thanks to all Junior miners stock people
......To all those who contributed some input and thought about the potential best Junior GOLD and SILVER stocks under $1......Thank you!
Hopefully the Juniors will have thier day as more and more people see the rising price of GOLD and SILVER and realize the potential in some of the Juniors.....It would be great to see some of the Juniors become majors in the coming years.....Right now it seems there is much uncertainty about the economy and stocks in general.....I am going watch for entry points as the fear factor influences some of the stocks.
My view is that the DOW is going lower after it has a brief surge.....GOLD and SILVER is going higher after it has a brief pause.....Good quality Juniors with substantial amounts and good management offer opportunity!
I will leave you all now for awhile and check back in time to see how things are unfolding......I wonder which players will win in the end in all this?.....The Traders....The Speculators....The Investors?
Thanks GoldenKnight....... BUT
.......Which is your number 1 Junior GOLD and SILVER pick under $1.00?
I would ask EVERYBODY here on this message board to thier number 1 Junior GOLD stock under $1.00 and thier number 1 Junior SILVER stcok under $1.00.
Lets keep it simple!
Which Junior stock under $1.00 would be considered your best pick?....... ONE OF EACH.......GOLD - SILVER
My Best picks!
GOLD is Jinshan JIN on Toronto
SILVER is Great Panther GPR on Toronto
Best GOLD & SILVER picks below $1.00
.......Lets all some some fun and hopefully make some money together......I would like ALL OF YOU to give 1 Junior GOLD stock and 1 Junior SILVER stock UNDER $1 that you believe ìs the real deal and worthy of attention......We are all here trying to learn and make money over various periods of time.....Most here are probably traders, some speculators, some investors and even some out and out gamblers.....however, we all share a common goal.....to learn and make money.......My call out is for everyone to give thier fantasy best Junior GOLD & SILVER stock pick under $1......Under $1; Mine are JIN (Jinshan) for GOLD and GPR (Great Panther) for SILVER.
LETS KEEP THIS SIMPLE
.......... The DOW broke its decade low and closed lower.....DOWn trend confirmed......The DOW looks to be heading lower......GOLD and SILVER look to be heading higher and higher.....GOLD and SILVER stocks are worth researching.....That is as simple as it gets!
'_1Best_'.............Questions?
.............Can you give some specific targets for 2009 for DOW....GOLD....SILVER?
Will DOW go below 6800 in 2009 (I think it will.....YOU?)
Will GOLD go above $1222 in 2009 (I think it will...YOU?)
Will SILVER go above $18.88 in 2009 (I think it will....YOU?)
Threeflight...........disagree
......I will watch and respect all opinions......I think this FALL will be a big FALL for DOW.....Just curious; what do you think happens with GOLD and SILVER in 2009?
DOW 7177 big number DOWN
.....On Oct/10th/02 we had the decade low set of 7177.....A break below this number is getting very close it seems....I believe this number will be broken soon and then we will see DOW under 7000 and even going lower.....The golden ratio suggests somewhere around 5555 DOW.....These are extremely interesting times!.....Only time will tell if GOLD and SILVER stocks were worth accumulating at this time?
K.I.S.S.......principle
........DOW is going LOWER..........GOLD is going HIGHER...........SILVER is going even HIGHER......so, what stocks should someone load up on now?
If you don't think the above SIMPLE message has value.....check back in about a year!
Could it be manipulation?
......When you use logic and consider there are some amazing mines out there that had higher stock prices when GOLD and SILVER were significantly lower......makes you go hmmmmm?
ONE day it changes and maybe the manipulators get burned.......When a company produces GOLD or SILVER at a valued (cost effective) price and has LOTS OF IT.....and the price of the commodity keeps rising......is it logical?
JIN......Jinshan
GPR......Great Panther
I know these are not new to you Bobwins......but watch these 2!
Hello GOLDBUGS and SILVERBUGS
.....In response to my message on January 29th....I posted that day that I would stop messages on this message board until GOLD hits $1000 "or" SILVER hits $14.44.....TODAY BOTH HIT THOSE TARGETS!!.......So now I will post again as I said I was looking 4forward to that day.......You folks have an excellent message board here with lots of great exchange aswell as input......I have posted before about the "ratio's" and how I think they will come into play and what I believe is ahead for GOLD and SILVER.....most of us here agree that both look to be going much higher in the coming months/years.....Since I have made most of my messages regarding the outlook for GOLD and SILVER and even DOW.....I will switch my input in this message and post on 2 stocks on the Toronto Stock Exchange.....1 is a GOLD stock and 1 is a SILVER stock....."IF" any of you have any interest in GOLD and/or SILVER stocks....please take the time to research these 2.....They are (GOLD) JIN (trading symbol) Jinshan is the company name and (SILVER) GPR (trading symbol) Great Panther is the company name......They are both presently under $1.00 and considered speculative (as all stocks are) and each, I think, has a very interesting story aswell......Please do your own research on these 2 fascinating companies "IF" you have any interest in the speculative stock side of things......Well, I am very pleased and amazed that my GOLD and SILVER targets were hit on the exact same day.....and now I will leave you all again until JIN or GPR hits $1.00 whichever comes first.....As always, I will be here in silence until then.....Looking forward to that #1 day!
DOW bottom is what and when?
.....When you consider that the DOW fell 89% in the crash of 1929 from the high to the low.....That would indicate a possible crash to (14279 high set on Oct/11th/07 X .11)... "1570 DOW" bottom "if" the same percentage crash were to happen>>>>>The Golden ratio indicates a correction back to "5454 DOW" bottom which is .382 X 14279....These 2 indicators suggest that the DOW bottom may not have been reached just yet and another breakdown may still have to come.....Seems that Fall often brings these Highs/lows....so my GUESSING is that possibly between Sept-Oct-Nov 2009.....we could see the DOW bottom.
DOW fell 89% in 1929
.....When you consider what happened to the DOW in 1929 from its high then you imagine just how low the DOW could go in this "crisis".....The Golden ratio suggests it has a long way to go before a bottom.....Only time will tell......As for $1850 for GOLD....Does seem possible....SILVER could rise over its previous multi-year high into the coming years.
I think the next leg in GOLD uptrend began on January 15th 2009 and the next leg in the SILVER uptrend began on February 5th 2009.
Can you make one of your picture/charts showing the 1929 crash and how it unfolded?
GOOG climbing even higher!
....Well whoever you were hearing from about being out of GOOG the first week of February.....looks like they got it wrong!......GOOG has risen sharply since being down around $300.....GOLD - GOOG - SILVER.....Which of these 3 will do best in coming years?
GOOG looking GOOD.